HC - There is no way that buck is wider than the first one. Maybe 23 inches. Also the mass on the first deer carries out much further and starts bigger. I'm guessin that 165 in buck maybe has 5 in bases but is other mass measurement are in the 4.5in range and lower. It does have exceptional brow tines but other than that not much different in tine length. Beam length is not even close. The second buck has maybe 2-3 inches between tines where the first buck has 4-5 and the second buck only carries the length 3 inches past the G4 where the first buck has atleast 6 inches.

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wow most are debating inches here and you my friend are debating 1/8ths. Can judge 1/8ths from these pictures?

Its a lot easier to type 4.5 than 4 4/8. Test me you obviously think I cant score a deer.

I tried to match them up as best i could. I used nose widths and ear length as my bases. Thought it would be easier to compare this way.


also the inches that drop tine gives up on the brows it makes up for with the drop and the g4 on the other side. drop is wider and longer beams.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Went to sleep last night laughing about this. Just got back from a meeting this morning, get on here for the first time today, and I cannot believe this is still being debated! Some of the claims on that deer's score are unreal!! It is a 150 class deer. Nice buck with a unique drop time, but nothing to write home to mom about. Colt, I would bail out on this thread if I was you. You already need a backhoe to dig yourself out of this one.

Wow, you boys are about to eat your words now

Even after looking at the comparison. I still say the other buck beats the drop just by his tine length overall and mass through out.

If you want a truly good comparison just go to the Los Cazadores website and look at the multitude of bucks with known scores.

These 2 bucks side by side now and the drop tine buck still is bigger. wow..... I have to say the mass seams to be simular. Tine lenght isnt to different other than brow tines, but drop tine has longer G4's so they wash. Drop tine hs a wider spread, and his beam is longer. So logic would tell me that if buck on the left is 165 and droptine has equal mass and tine length measurements and bigger spread and beam length then.........Drum Roll...............................................................................................Droptine is more than 165 inches



BTW, I was tempted for just a second to rent me a backhoe to dig me out, but, oh wait, I'm right.

Colt, nobody is saying that isn't a nice deer. It is. But you get into the 170 range, you're talking about a whole different stratosphere of headgear. You know a special buck when you see it, and 170+ is a special buck.

Based on your photo, it's just not there.

Look CR, I agree with you totally on a 170in deer is in a different league. I will admit that when I score a deer of a picture I can be a few(3-5in)off. This buck might very well not get over the 170inches, but if he doesnt its only by a couple of inches. Now with this picture comparison, if the other buck scores 165 the droptine is easily over 170 Gross.

What has put me on the rant was that everyone is so adiment that this buck is in the low 150's, when it is cleary not.

[This message has been edited by Colt98 (edited 8/6/2008 12:15p).]

Colt, do you see a resemblence here? This is a Los Cazadores buck that was officially scored. Almost identical with the exception of the drop time on the other side and an addition point on the same side as the drop tine. So subtract 4" for the addional point and you are looking at a 153-154 class deer. And subtract a couple inches on one of the brow times and you are at the 152" that I stated earlier. GAME OVER!!!!!!!



[This message has been edited by txaggie02 (edited 8/6/2008 12:18p).]

Sorry about posting some Gaylor bear fan to prove my point.

Nope the beam lenght is much less, prob and total of atleast 6-8 inches and the spread is around 4-5 inch bigger on the drop tine. Also the G4 on the droptine add up to about 13 3/8 in(for master Ag). Where the Los Caz buck has about 10in with G4 and drop. So thats another 3 3/8"(for master ag). So the drop tine is around 14-16 3/8"(for MA) bigger than the pic you show.

Game On.

Yes you lost some street cred with that

Here's a 158 7/8 from Novemeber 2006. Straight-up 10 with 34" of mass and an inside spread of 19 7/8".

so add 12" for spread and main beams and you get drop tine.

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Thanks AgLawman. I needed another pic to help support my case. Notice the lenght b/w tines. Assuming mass and tine lenght are simular. Droptine has atleast 5-7 more in of spread and 10 inches more of beams lenght. I also think droptine carries his mass a littl more. So 158 7/8 +6 +10 1/8(for MA) = 175.

Does anyone else have some deer we can compare him to, so we can prove our case.

Nice 10

[This message has been edited by Colt98 (edited 8/6/2008 12:31p).]

Colt, you are now down to 170 or a little under...started at 175 and your buddy says it anywhere between 170-200. That deer could be in the 160's but to say that is a 170+ B&C deer is nuts. Come up with all the comparisons to other deer you want, but it is what it is.

I definitely think 147 or less than 150 is too low...but 170+ is too high. The deer is between 157-165.

[This message has been edited by aggzwin (edited 8/6/2008 12:49p).]

Wow i am pretty sure I said

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Like i said, there was Jack Daniels involved in the 209. Like I said i don't think he is going to score anywhere near 190.

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I have never thought this deer was over 175. All I know is I am glad he is what he is.

Here's another shot for some perspective...

The deer on the left is the 158 7/8" 10 point posted above. The deer on the right scored 147 4/8" with 25 2/8" inside spread.

Just give him a couple more days. By next Tuesday he will be down to the 150s. I have seen some crazy debates on here, but this is just flat out ridiculous.

Lot's of "Oh Wow!" deer pictures but drop tine is not one of them to me.....and the more you try and defend it the smaller it gets. The deer is smaller....the spread is smaller....the mass is smaller....and the tines are smaller. It is what it is from the picture.

You wanted it scored and you got it...you just don't like the answer. Put it on the ground and then you can say, "I told you so."


......or "Oops."

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Also the G4 on the droptine add up to about 13 3/8 in(for master Ag).

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There are 2 things way wrong with that statement. Do you know what a G4 is?

i do not see any way the drop tine buck can match the 165" deer next to it. I am being unbiased because i do not wish ground shrinkage on anyone, or any shrinkage for that matter. HA! It will be a good trophy and i dont think anyone can argue that!

I think she meant that the G4's on the drop tine buck add up to whatever

I think what will help is if you got clearer pictures of the body, horns and something to compare to.

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I've never hunted one day in my life, but this thread is fun. And for the record, I've NEVER overestimated the length of a fish I caught or nearly caught...NEVER.

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You wanted it scored and you got it...you just don't like the answer.

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sunchaser is not a man to mince words. I like it!

For what its worth. I could see scoring around the mid 160's and low 170's, BUT I would clearer more zoomed in pictures of the animal.

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I think she meant that the G4's on the drop tine buck add up to whatever

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But there is only 1.

Colt, just in case yall wanted to see what a 200+ buck looks like (it scores 206)...and I have seen this deer, it is huge. This one might be 250+ with a little Jack or without Jack in yalls case.



[This message has been edited by aggzwin (edited 8/6/2008 1:37p).]

Master... I went and relooked at it and your right. hehe.

Brent I have seen a buck that was 205" shot near Choke Canyon. I think this is him?Funny how you guys said it would barely be 150" and now you atleast giving him 160+.

MA when we are talking gross it doesnt matter if its called a G4 or E1 or what ever. Does it really matter when figuring total iches.

That fact is, most of you stated the the buck was between 145-155 inches. We have now put him beside a deer scoring 165 inches and if you are honest with yourself you will see that his beams and spread are bigger. 10 inches bigger maybe not but much more than 155.

I really could care less what he actually scored last year. We decided to let him walk so he would breed. That fact is I'm right this time and Texags really doesnt "know stuff" this time.

[This message has been edited by Colt98 (edited 8/6/2008 2:11p).]

This is one of the best threads ever on the outdoors board.

I would just like to thank all who have participated and especially the ones that are going to carry this thread forward.

Ok let use the buck that scores 147 above beside the 10 point. If you give him 2 10" tines like the drop tine, that would puch him to 168. And the drop tine has a more mass.

If I'm honest with myself, he looks just a shade smaller than the 158-7/8 that txaggie02 posted a pic of.

Very close, but not quite as heavy.