I think so. Let me see if Pro-Football Reference will play nice.

EDIT, actually no. It does by game, and I'm not particularly interested enough to crunch all those numbers.

I can tell you that:

• Player 1 has a playoff record over that period of 3-4
  
• Player 2 has a playoff record over that period of 1-3
• Player 3 has a playoff record over that period of 7-6

Based on the passer rating, pretty sure #2 is Romo.

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Muck, I take it you're a feminist.

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No,I was making a joke.

Yeah, I was quoting Tin Cup back at you.

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Based on the passer rating, pretty sure #2 is Romo.

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Correct (though the playoff record would have given it away anyway).

Is Player 3 Mcnabb?

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Can't win the biggest games. Chokes in the bright lights. Count up the playoff wins.

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It's a team sport... Not many QB's would've been able to in Romo's situation.

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I think so. Let me see if Pro-Football Reference will play nice.

EDIT, actually no. It does by game, and I'm not particularly interested enough to crunch all those numbers.

I can tell you that:

• Player 1 has a playoff record over that period of 3-4
  
• Player 2 has a playoff record over that period of 1-3
• Player 3 has a playoff record over that period of 7-6

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Holy ****! Player 1 and 3 have ten times as many playoff wins as romo

Can't believe this was allowed to get to two pages.

Player 1 is Dan Marino. 3 is John Elway.

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and Big Ben are questionable for the HOF,

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Not to derail the thread about Romo, but I said this on the thread before the season started about which HOF QB's are currently playing...

Big Ben is not questionable. He is going to be in the HOF without a doubt. His numbers will be top 10 all time and he has 2 SB rings with 3 appearances already. If he retired tomorrow he would be in the HOF but it would take a while. So long as he doesn't get injured, he's going to finish a multiple SB winner(with a chance are 3+), 50,000+ yards, and about 350TD's with an outside shot at 400. All while playing on a team that for a long time featured the run(didn't have a season with 500 passing attempts until 08, and has only had 4 total 500+ passing attempt seasons in his career).

He's in. But let me get back out of the way of the Romo thread.

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I think so. Let me see if Pro-Football Reference will play nice.

EDIT, actually no. It does by game, and I'm not particularly interested enough to crunch all those numbers.

I can tell you that:

• Player 1 has a playoff record over that period of 3-4
  
• Player 2 has a playoff record over that period of 1-3
• Player 3 has a playoff record over that period of 7-6

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Holy ****! Player 1 and 3 have ten times as many playoff wins as romo

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Well, we all know QB is all that matters when it comes to success. That's why A&M won the mNC in 2012 and 2013.

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I think so. Let me see if Pro-Football Reference will play nice.

EDIT, actually no. It does by game, and I'm not particularly interested enough to crunch all those numbers.

I can tell you that:

• Player 1 has a playoff record over that period of 3-4
  
• Player 2 has a playoff record over that period of 1-3
• Player 3 has a playoff record over that period of 7-6

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Holy ****! Player 1 and 3 have ten times as many playoff wins as romo

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Well, we all know QB is all that matters when it comes to success. That's why A&M won the mNC in 2012 and 2013.

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We were 8 points away in 2012. Plus the nfl is different. You can lose 4 games and be one if the best in the league

Marino and Elway retired in the 90s. The league is vastly different even from their time. Matt Schaub has a higher QB rating than Marino. Carson Palmer is basically equal. Elway is #65, below greats like Kyle Orton, Mike Vick, and Matt Cassel. Ryan Fitzpatrick is 0.4 below Elway.

Then eliminate passer rating. Either way, it was merely an interesting (to me, anyway) look at how similar the statistics were. Hence the disclaimer.

there are some really nice receivers in this group:

"Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Hines Ward, Antonio Brown, Plaxico Burress, Heath Miller, Mike Wallace, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson"

Gates is superior to Witten; but none of the others are/were better than Dez or T.O.

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and yes, Big Ben is a Hall of Famer. Stats aside...he is one of the all-time greats at extending the play in the pocket. And he's put up all his numbers taking an annual beating -- been sacked 418 times in his career in 156 starts. Romo has only been sacked 241 times in 121 starts

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there are some really nice receivers in this group:

"Amani Toomer, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Hines Ward, Antonio Brown, Plaxico Burress, Heath Miller, Mike Wallace, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson"

Gates is superior to Witten; but none of the others are/were better than Dez or T.O.

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and yes, Big Ben is a Hall of Famer. Stats aside...he is one of the all-time greats at extending the play in the pocket. And he's put up all his numbers taking an annual beating -- been sacked 418 times in his career in 156 starts. Romo has only been sacked 241 times in 121 starts

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Have you seen the season Antonio Brown is having? The point is those guys were all really good even if not quite the athlete Dez is, so to act like Eli and Big Ben have nothing to work with is a little disingenuous.

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Check these stats out for these 3 guys between the ages of 26-34 (which is the extent of Romo's career).

Two of them are HOF QBs from the modern era. The other one is Tony Romo. Can you name them (without cheating)?

Player 1:

• 75-52 record
• 210 TDs
  
• 133 INTs
• 32,664 yards passing
• 59.6 comp %
  
• 86.3 passer rating
• 102 yards rushing with 6 TDs

Player 2:

• 73-48 record
• 236 TDs
• 109 INTs
• 32,753 yards passing
• 65 comp %
• 97.1 passer rating
• 579 yards rushing with 5 TDs

Player 3

• 78-53 record
• 152 RDs
• 125 INTs
• 29,584 yards passing
• 56.9 comp %
• 78.4 passer rating
• 2,034 yards rushing with 24 TDs

Disclaimer: I'm not equating these guys, nor am I endorsing Romo as a HOF guy. Just pointing out the similarity of the statistics over this very limited set.

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Can you please include postseason record, conference title appearances, super bowl appearances, and rings?

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We get it this is your schtick considering your user name. Its already getting obnoxious though.

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Then eliminate passer rating. Either way, it was merely an interesting (to me, anyway) look at how similar the statistics were. Hence the disclaimer.

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But the reason the passer ratings are going up is because all passing stats are through the roof even compared to the 90s.

There are 23 modern era HOF QBs. I'll list some career stats and how many current HOFers Romo is ahead of in that category.

Yards - 12
Touchdowns - 11
Yards per pass attempt - 19
Interception % - 21
Touchdown % - 15
Completion % - 23
Game winning drives - 15
4th quarter comebacks - 16

Of these, only interception % is clearly a product of the easier rules for offenses. Here are Romo's ranks among active QBs in the same categories:

Yards - 9
Touchdowns - 7
Yards per pass attempt - 2
Interception % - 12
Touchdown % - 3
Completion % - 4
Game winning drives - 6
4th quarter comebacks - 6

Let's assume that Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Favre, Warner, and Brady are HOFers. After that, the next group is very clearly Eli, Big Ben, and Romo. The obvious difference between him and them is playoff success. Eli and Ben have thrown more passes, but Romo has better (sometimes significantly so) "per pass" stats than both of them.

In my opinion, you have to either let in all three of Ben, Eli, and Romo, or keep them all out if you decide that the HOF is that selective.

The other thing with those Elway and Marino comparison stats is that there is no reason to limit it to the specific age range that Romo has played. Romo will certainly getting punished over the long haul because his counting stats won't include the early-mid 20s that other players who played right away will have. And Romo has to continue past now.

It's not complex. If Romo wins a Super Bowl, he gets to the periphery of the conversation. Until then, way way on the outside.

Love Romo


He's nowhere near being a hall of famer as of today.

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The other thing with those Elway and Marino comparison stats is that there is no reason to limit it to the specific age range that Romo has played. Romo will certainly getting punished over the long haul because his counting stats won't include the early-mid 20s that other players who played right away will have. And Romo has to continue past now.

It's not complex. If Romo wins a Super Bowl, he gets to the periphery of the conversation. Until then, way way on the outside.

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I find it hard to consider Elway or Marino modern era. Lets be real the game changed about 10 years ago. Its not apple to apples to compare the 2.

Generally speaking, I'd agree. However, I do think it's interesting that aside from comp % and passer rating, the stats between Romo and Marino are especially similar.

I also realize now that I underrate Elway's running ability in my memory.

Agree. You could almost chop it into 3 "modern era's"...Modern era up to 1984-85 or so...84-85-through 03-04 or so...then 04-current.

Antonio has only been Antonio for the past 3 years.

Big Ben has played QB for the Steelers for 11 seasons.

and while Antonio is off to a great start to his career, he's got a long ways to go to catch T.O. and Dez (53 TD's in less than 5 seasons)

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Can't win the biggest games. Chokes in the bright lights. Count up the playoff wins.

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It's a team sport... Not many QB's would've been able to in Romo's situation.

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No kidding!

I hate the above arguments that boil everything down to post season success. No one is saying that isn't part of it, but the above statement is superficial.

By that logic, Trent Dilfer is just as good as Peyton because they have the same number of SBs and Dilfer is actually better than Marino because Dan never won one.

I would agree you wouldn't compare QB ratings today vs those in the 80's/90s. But you can certainly use it to see how QBs stack up against other QBs of the same era. In this regard, Romo is VERY high on the list. Off the top of my head, he is right up there with Brady, Rogers, Manning, & Brees over the past 10 years. I believe he's actually ahead of a couple those guys for his career.

His creds are there in terms of stats, but he's gotta get that ring. As of right now, he's never even been close so he better get red hot in the playoffs.

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I would agree you wouldn't compare QB ratings today vs those in the 80's/90s. But you can certainly use it to see how QBs stack up against other QBs of the same era. In this regard, Romo is VERY high on the list. Off the top of my head, he is right up there with Brady, Rogers, Manning, & Brees over the past 10 years. I believe he's actually ahead of a couple those guys for his career.

His creds are there in terms of stats, but he's gotta get that ring. As of right now, he's never even been close so he better get red hot in the playoffs.

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I would agree you wouldn't compare QB ratings today vs those in the 80's/90s. But you can certainly use it to see how QBs stack up against other QBs of the same era. In this regard, Romo is VERY high on the list. Off the top of my head, he is right up there with Brady, Rogers, Manning, & Brees over the past 10 years. I believe he's actually ahead of a couple those guys for his career.

His creds are there in terms of stats, but he's gotta get that ring. As of right now, he's never even been close so he better get red hot in the playoffs.

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The stats don't lie, now matter how bad you want them to. At a per-pass rate Romo throws for more yards then all but Rodgers and more touchdowns than all but Manning and Rodgers. Per pass he throws the same amount of picks as Manning (to be fair the others are better here).

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I would agree you wouldn't compare QB ratings today vs those in the 80's/90s. But you can certainly use it to see how QBs stack up against other QBs of the same era. In this regard, Romo is VERY high on the list. Off the top of my head, he is right up there with Brady, Rogers, Manning, & Brees over the past 10 years. I believe he's actually ahead of a couple those guys for his career.

His creds are there in terms of stats, but he's gotta get that ring. As of right now, he's never even been close so he better get red hot in the playoffs.

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Aggie1906, it's actually true. Look at the stats including 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter passer rating and Romo is right up there with the best of them in all categories. Romo is at least a HOF candidate right now and would be an instant lock if he wins a SB.

1906 is apparently a Schaub lover so these stat lines for Romo are irrelevant.

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NO, I CANNOT!!!

In all seriousness, among active players, though 9 seasons Romo is:

• 9th in passing yards
• 7th in passing TDs
• 9th in passes completed
• 3rd in passer rating
• 2nd in yards per attempt
• 4th in completion percentage
• 6th in "comebacks"
  
• 6th in game winning drives
• 9th in total offense
• 12th in interceptions
• 11th in fumbles

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NO, I CANNOT!!!

In all seriousness, among active players, though 9 seasons Romo is:

• 9th in passing yards
• 7th in passing TDs
• 9th in passes completed
• 3rd in passer rating
• 2nd in yards per attempt
• 4th in completion percentage
• 6th in "comebacks"
  
• 6th in game winning drives
• 9th in total offense
• 12th in interceptions
• 11th in fumbles

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So he's a top 7ish QB based on stats alone over the last 9 seasons... ok?