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Sorry bro

Texas is not falling for an Abigail Spanberger style "I'm definitely not a radical Dem running as a moderate Republican to get elected and then will go full Stalinist the second I'm elected"

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Lord I hope not. I am not encouraged by how many people seem to be head over heels for him.

Luckily, I do not think his goofy ass white face and weak effeminate demeanor will energize blacks and latinos.

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City leaders already blaming Feds person shot in torso and supposedly blocking ICE vehicles

Unbelievable how city is blaming Feds without any details

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Vestal_Flame said:

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Yeah, I'm willing bet a case of Shiner beer that this one leads to protests.

The "word of mouth" version of the story is that ICE boxed in a Venezuelan guy and shot him in the back of the head, in his car.

I have to imagine that this version of the story was written before the shots were fired.

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Stop or I'll shoot.

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It is generally worth remembering that, under the law, a misdemeanor is a crime.

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Excellent.

If the allegation is that a person is a criminal, then that is fine. We have courts of law, run by judges, for the processing of persons accused of crimes.

If the allegation is that he has committed a federal crime, then we bring him before an Article 3 judge.

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Fifteen hours after a man shot by ICE agents was released from the hospital, attorneys say they have been unable to locate him as of 8 a.m. Monday, "which is highly unusual," attorney Kristen Etter told the Statesman. "It has been 15 hours since ICE takes you, whisks you from the hospital, and we have not been able to locate him." She said her client has not shown up in traditional databases used by attorneys. "We have no idea what type of condition he is in."

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You should know better than to believe the utterances of a defense attorney.

And according to reports the man's due process was completed with a deportation order issued by a judge.

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You should know better than to believe the utterances of a defense attorney.

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And according to reports the man's due process was completed with a deportation order issued by a judge.

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At this point, I don't believe a damn word from either side.

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The Unforgiven said:

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10 to 20 million plus illegals isn't just simply crossing the border. That is an invasion. Invaders can get the death penalty.

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Please be so kind as to point me to the section of the Untied States Code that authorizes the death penalty for the crime of invasion. This is not a troll. I actually want to know what you mean.

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Invasive won't getting you killed. Running from the police when they're trying to arrest you can be fatal.

Is that so hard to understand?

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That's interesting. When I was in the military, it was drilled into us that in order to use deadly force, we had to know that the person we were inflicting deadly force upon had the opportunity, capability, and intent to use deadly force on us or others. I was under the impression that law enforcement had similar requirement for use of deadly force.

Running away does not meet the requirements of that CIA triad. Why does running from police constitute use of deadly force?

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Why doesn't running from the police...

Quit defending the invaders and take a stronger position for Ameica. Jesus Christ, man, be a Patriot.

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I am a Patriot. I believe in the Constitution and due process.

I don't want an authoritarian government. Police are required for our country to function. Running from police can be a crime. Running away is never a crime that authorizes use of deadly force. If we don't hold police to standards, we will have a tyrannical government.

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When you recognize the facts in this case, instead of jumping to conclusions, will you admit you were wrong?

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1. I was responding to general statements with general statements. I will not admit that I'm wrong regarding deadly force not being authorized for running from police (save for special circumstances in which the police have good reason to believe that the escape of the individual will inevitably result in that individual harming another person).

2. Depending on the facts of the case, the ICE agents certainly may have been justified in using lethal force to protect themselves or others, and if that's the case and Perez had the opportunity, capability, and intent to cause severe bodily harm or death to the ICE agents or others, then I will be very vocal that the ICE agents were right in using deadly force.

So far, I know that a final order of removal was issued for Perez. So ICE was certainly justified in pursuing him. That does not automatically mean they were justified in using deadly force.

I don't like the rhetoric that the Democratic leadership in Austin is using which seems to make ICE out to be guilty until proven innocent. Fox has also reported that Chip Roy, a Republican, referred to Perez as "the shooter." I haven't heard anything about Perez shooting at ICE from any other source, so if it turns out to be the case that Perez didn't shoot at ICE, I would also condemn him for spreading an unsupported narrative that benefits the other side's agenda.

If someone can provide video of what happened, specifically body cam footage, I think that would be best. Transparency is the best policy here so we can begin to reinstill trust in our institutions, including our border and immigration police.
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Finally, I think the protestors jumped the gun before they had all the facts and no matter the facts, they have no right to block roadways.

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All conjecture on your part. Enjoy Talarico.

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Let's hope he doesn't, unless he's enjoying a losing speech!

Talarico and other democrats ran off when the going got tough.

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Can we all just agree that Paxton is a scoundrel and Talarico is creepy, but this thread is about a Venezuelan dude who caught a bullet.

For those of you keeping score, he appears to have turned up in Pearsall.

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Fair point, I got caught up in it. I'm done.

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Can we all just agree that Paxton is a scoundrel and Talarico is creepy, but this thread is about a Venezuelan dude who caught a bullet.

For those of you keeping score, he appears to have turned up in Pearsall.

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His lawyers are so in touch with him that he was caught fleeing south to Mexico?

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Can we all just agree that Paxton is a scoundrel and Talarico is creepy, but this thread is about a Venezuelan dude who caught a bullet.

For those of you keeping score, he appears to have turned up in Pearsall.

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His lawyers are so in touch with him that he was caught fleeing south to Mexico?

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No. He's in the ICE detention facility in Pearsall. This is starting to look a little more orderly.

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Can someone give a brief summary of events? Illegal alien was almost certainly playing stupid games with ICE and was shot and is now alive in a detention facility in Pearsall? What are we angry about again?

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I'm not on the liberal email list, so I have no clue of the talking points or the level of anger I should feel. Other posters on here definitely got the talking points and their anger shows.

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Can someone give a brief summary of events? Illegal alien was almost certainly playing stupid games with ICE and was shot and is now alive in a detention facility in Pearsall? What are we angry about again?

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Honestly, I think that we angry about the open borders fiasco that brought us here.

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Can someone give a brief summary of events? Illegal alien was almost certainly playing stupid games with ICE and was shot and is now alive in a detention facility in Pearsall? What are we angry about again?

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No clue. I have no issue with what happened.

Pobrecito. He was probably a visiting Tren de Araga or a Venezuelan Rotarian. With Maduro now gone he will have the opportunity to make his country a model of peace and civility.

There are only two logical options in assessing Talarico's supposed change of heart on border policy.

1. You can view it for what it almost certainly is - an attempt to deceive voters, as all the evidence suggests.

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2. Engage in wishful thinking, give him the benefit of the doubt, and allow him the chance to prove it.

If you chose 2, you should acknowledge that giving him a 6-year term in the Senate is not the venue for him to prove a conviction that he has held for less time than some of your groceries have spent in your refrigerator.

Of course, if logic were playing a significant role in your decision-making process, you wouldn't be considering voting for him anyway.

My only regret is now the tax payers are funding his medical bills.

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10 to 20 million plus illegals isn't just simply crossing the border. That is an invasion. Invaders can get the death penalty.

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Please be so kind as to point me to the section of the Untied States Code that authorizes the death penalty for the crime of invasion. This is not a troll. I actually want to know what you mean.

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Invasive won't getting you killed. Running from the police when they're trying to arrest you can be fatal.

Is that so hard to understand?

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That's interesting. When I was in the military, it was drilled into us that in order to use deadly force, we had to know that the person we were inflicting deadly force upon had the opportunity, capability, and intent to use deadly force on us or others. I was under the impression that law enforcement had similar requirement for use of deadly force.

Running away does not meet the requirements of that CIA triad. Why does running from police constitute use of deadly force?

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Why doesn't running from the police...

Quit defending the invaders and take a stronger position for Ameica. Jesus Christ, man, be a Patriot.

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I am a Patriot. I believe in the Constitution and due process.

I don't want an authoritarian government. Police are required for our country to function. Running from police can be a crime. Running away is never a crime that authorizes use of deadly force. If we don't hold police to standards, we will have a tyrannical government.

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You believe police are required for our Country to function.

You believe our laws MUST always be followed to an absolute strikingly degree of compliance that Trump must invite influencers to sit at his table out of fairness for the press.. because that's the law.

Well, the law says you must comply with the police. Running from the police IS, not can be, a crime.

If you threaten the officer where he feels he or someone else in in immediate danger of serious injury, deadly force is justified.

A car in motion is a threat to serious bodily injury. That's the law.

Again, you don't get to pick and choose laws, amiright? Funny how you want to bend things here but hold the line on Caitlyn Collins spreading lies during WH pressers.

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Can someone give a brief summary of events? Illegal alien was almost certainly playing stupid games with ICE and was shot and is now alive in a detention facility in Pearsall? What are we angry about again?

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Honestly, I think that we angry about the open borders fiasco that brought us here.

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No we are angry about those who jump to blame ICE, like that scumbag Austin mayor and the gay prostitute congressman were out doing within a couple of hours of the shooting of an illegal shot during the commission of multiple felonies.

The mayor and congressman both clearly said multiple times that ICE is a threat to their community and were making their residents unsafe… then laughably said they were just trying to "tone down the rhetoric".

They started off on f16 defending the policies of Gavin Newsom for context.

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Of course Greg Casar is immediately stirring the pot. That effeminate vocal fry ***** is is a bigger ***** than John Holmes wife's.

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All this without and real proof of what happened yet.

The horror has come to our city: ICE has shot a person in Austin this morning.
As the facts emerge, I am demanding a full, independent investigation, immediate release of the body camera footage, and accountability for any ICE officer who broke the law.
Over and over, ICE has…

— Congressman Greg Casar (@RepCasar) September 20, 2026

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Note that this commie stooge does not demand immediate accountability for those who broke the law the come into this nation illegally.

At least the invader is moving south and will be soon over the border into his home country.

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10 to 20 million plus illegals isn't just simply crossing the border. That is an invasion. Invaders can get the death penalty.

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Please be so kind as to point me to the section of the Untied States Code that authorizes the death penalty for the crime of invasion. This is not a troll. I actually want to know what you mean.

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Invasive won't getting you killed. Running from the police when they're trying to arrest you can be fatal.

Is that so hard to understand?

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That's interesting. When I was in the military, it was drilled into us that in order to use deadly force, we had to know that the person we were inflicting deadly force upon had the opportunity, capability, and intent to use deadly force on us or others. I was under the impression that law enforcement had similar requirement for use of deadly force.

Running away does not meet the requirements of that CIA triad. Why does running from police constitute use of deadly force?

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Why doesn't running from the police...

Quit defending the invaders and take a stronger position for Ameica. Jesus Christ, man, be a Patriot.

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I am a Patriot. I believe in the Constitution and due process.

I don't want an authoritarian government. Police are required for our country to function. Running from police can be a crime. Running away is never a crime that authorizes use of deadly force. If we don't hold police to standards, we will have a tyrannical government.

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You believe police are required for our Country to function.

You believe our laws MUST always be followed to an absolute strikingly degree of compliance that Trump must invite influencers to sit at his table out of fairness for the press.. because that's the law.

Well, the law says you must comply with the police. Running from the police IS, not can be, a crime.

If you threaten the officer where he feels he or someone else in in immediate danger of serious injury, deadly force is justified.

A car in motion is a threat to serious bodily injury. That's the law.

Again, you don't get to pick and choose laws, amiright? Funny how you want to bend things here but hold the line on Caitlyn Collins spreading lies during WH pressers.

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2. Depending on the facts of the case, the ICE agents certainly may have been justified in using lethal force to protect themselves or others, and if that's the case and Perez had the opportunity, capability, and intent to cause severe bodily harm or death to the ICE agents or others, then I will be very vocal that the ICE agents were right in using deadly force.

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I don't think we disagree on this one.

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10 to 20 million plus illegals isn't just simply crossing the border. That is an invasion. Invaders can get the death penalty.

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Please be so kind as to point me to the section of the Untied States Code that authorizes the death penalty for the crime of invasion. This is not a troll. I actually want to know what you mean.

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Invasive won't getting you killed. Running from the police when they're trying to arrest you can be fatal.

Is that so hard to understand?

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That's interesting. When I was in the military, it was drilled into us that in order to use deadly force, we had to know that the person we were inflicting deadly force upon had the opportunity, capability, and intent to use deadly force on us or others. I was under the impression that law enforcement had similar requirement for use of deadly force.

Running away does not meet the requirements of that CIA triad. Why does running from police constitute use of deadly force?

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Why doesn't running from the police...

Quit defending the invaders and take a stronger position for Ameica. Jesus Christ, man, be a Patriot.

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I am a Patriot. I believe in the Constitution and due process.

I don't want an authoritarian government. Police are required for our country to function. Running from police can be a crime. Running away is never a crime that authorizes use of deadly force. If we don't hold police to standards, we will have a tyrannical government.

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When you recognize the facts in this case, instead of jumping to conclusions, will you admit you were wrong?

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1. I was responding to general statements with general statements. I will not admit that I'm wrong regarding deadly force not being authorized for running from police (save for special circumstances in which the police have good reason to believe that the escape of the individual will inevitably result in that individual harming another person).

2. Depending on the facts of the case, the ICE agents certainly may have been justified in using lethal force to protect themselves or others, and if that's the case and Perez had the opportunity, capability, and intent to cause severe bodily harm or death to the ICE agents or others, then I will be very vocal that the ICE agents were right in using deadly force.

So far, I know that a final order of removal was issued for Perez. So ICE was certainly justified in pursuing him. That does not automatically mean they were justified in using deadly force.

I don't like the rhetoric that the Democratic leadership in Austin is using which seems to make ICE out to be guilty until proven innocent. Fox has also reported that Chip Roy, a Republican, referred to Perez as "the shooter." I haven't heard anything about Perez shooting at ICE from any other source, so if it turns out to be the case that Perez didn't shoot at ICE, I would also condemn him for spreading an unsupported narrative that benefits the other side's agenda.

If someone can provide video of what happened, specifically body cam footage, I think that would be best. Transparency is the best policy here so we can begin to reinstill trust in our institutions, including our border and immigration police.

Finally, I think the protestors jumped the gun before they had all the facts and no matter the facts, they have no right to block roadways.

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Guarantee you've never written up a 6 paragraph post about any American murdered by an illegal.

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I'm passionate about critical thinking & the process of law.

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How many illegals have killed Americans compared to how many illegals have died running from ICE?

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The number of Americans killed by illegal aliens is probably much higher than illegal aliens killed by ICE. I hope justice is served. That doesn't mean we shouldn't scrutinize potential government overreach and authoritarianism. Critical thinking over blind following is important to prevent tyranny.

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It's disgusting. We see exactly where your priorities are.

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My priorities are critical thinking and respecting the process of law, and doing what's best for America and Americans.

Stop quoting laws to men carrying swords.

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ICE agents wouldnt have to use deadly force if these illegals were never allowed to come into this country to begin with.

Want to seek asylum, go to the nearest American Embassy. Which for these folks, would be the American Embassy in Mexico City, Mexico. Not crossing the boarder at Eagle Pass, Texas

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No one should be using deadly force unless they or someone else are in immediate danger.

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Then this is a problem.

Someone coming in to this nation and murdering a citizen (defined as one actually born here) should absolutely warrant attention.

It boils my blood when the Democrats sit on their hands during one of their Congressional television broadcasts when victims of illegals are mentioned by name.

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Yea, that comment is pretty revealing and emblematic of the Hate Americans. Violent rape and murder of a young girl not controversial. They can barely a muster "well, that's sad of course but the real problem is ICE and ensuring they absolutely justify any and all use of force to the highest levels of scrutiny, and justice must be immediate and not delayed".

Limiting ICE and enforcement of the law and barely mustering up a sad feeling for rape and murder of our innocent children.

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Then this is a problem.

Someone coming in to this nation and murdering a citizen (defined as one actually born here) should absolutely warrant attention.

It boils my blood when the Democrats sit on their hands during one of their Congressional television broadcasts when victims of illegals are mentioned by name.

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I didn't say it didn't warrant attention. I said it isn't controversial. Put them through the justice system, send them to El Salvador after due process. It's not usually worth discussing. I support border control. I support deportation of people who are here illegally. I will also raise an eyebrow anytime any police force with any purpose appears to be operating above the law, because that is a slippery slope to tyranny.

And I'm not saying ICE did or did not overstep here. I don't know enough to know which side is in the right or wrong. I'm just advocating for some critical thinking.