M.C. Swag said:

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There's a certain elegance to how completely you miss the point.

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I don't. Only policy matters. See Jimmy Carter. Super nice guy but policy wise a ****ing disaster.

Carter a super nice guy? Flagged for Rumor, Unconfirmed, False Information.

January 6 was a government op. Some people took the bait. The government entrapped everyone. It was fake.

The "felonies" were contrived. But you know that. It's sick that you don't care. What was done to him is antithetical to the founding of this nation. That matters to me.

M.C. Swag said:

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How about like a decent person? Someone who wasn't convicted of felonies, didn't cheat on 3 different wives, didnt pay a porn star for sex, didn't brag about assaulting women, didn't get found civilly liable for sexual assault of a woman, and didn't personally enrich himself using public office that even Nancy Pelosi would blush at? Would that be a start?

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So, you are recommending a tactical nuke on DC and start over?

Because the person you are describing doesn't exist in DC.

M.C. Swag said:

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You realize that's asinine though right? If I were a candidate and simply said all the right things to TeslaAg and his MAGA cohort for electability purposes, and then enact none of the policies I campaigned on…that's bad. And it's why the messenger is just as important as the message (or policy).

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So, who are you going to vote for?

Like, which specific person?

Were I a Republican, my vote would have been for Nikki Hayley.

M.C. Swag said:

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And what about the "drain the swamp" policy? What would you say to those voters who supported him because they truly believed that, as a billionaire, he would be "incorruptible" to the underbelly of DC politicking? That he would operate outside the system of "quid pro quo" and enact government as it was intended; for the people and by the people? What do you say to them? Now that he's turbo boosted through every conceivable corrupt avenue available to him? Does that not matter?

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Is destroying USAID absolutely nothing?

How about helping roll back Chevron Deference?

Withholding federal funds from MN?

Firing Comey, trying to indict Comey?

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act work?

Forced data sharing between government entities to root out fraud?

Directing the Treasury department to screen individual transactions for fraud?

Consolidating the GSA?

Do you really think that Trump is "more corrupt" than the Biden crime family or the Clinton crime family?

Burisma alone blows EVERYTHING that has been thrown at Trump out of the water.

GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Obama left office in 2016.

M.C. Swag said:

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Were I a Republican, my vote would have been for Nikki Hayley.

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So, do you agree with her policy positions? At all?

GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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You are clearly not a student of history, sir.

Would you like to me the best case you can that Trump is the most corrupt administration ever, even beating out, say, Grant and Harding, and see how you hang?

GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Youre right. Republicans should just have to take all the corruption the democrats crushed them with.

Glad to see them fighting back. Would really like to see a lot of government officials jailed for sedition.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Youre right. Republicans should just have to take all the corruption the democrats crushed them with.

Glad to see them fighting back. Would really like to see a lot of government officials jailed for sedition.

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Fighting swamp with swamp just doubles the size of swamp. You can't claim a moral high ground of fighting back while making the problem worse

Nope. Democrat force must be met with like force. If the corrupt actors don't have their noses dragged through the ****, they'll never stop.

The people who had their rights trampled on must be made whole.

BusterAg said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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How about like a decent person? Someone who wasn't convicted of felonies, didn't cheat on 3 different wives, didnt pay a porn star for sex, didn't brag about assaulting women, didn't get found civilly liable for sexual assault of a woman, and didn't personally enrich himself using public office that even Nancy Pelosi would blush at? Would that be a start?

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So, you are recommending a tactical nuke on DC and start over?

Because the person you are describing doesn't exist in DC.

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Does it really need to be tactical? Seems like a conventional one takes out more of the issue.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Youre right. Republicans should just have to take all the corruption the democrats crushed them with.

Glad to see them fighting back. Would really like to see a lot of government officials jailed for sedition.

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So CRUSHED and FINISHED they let the be GOP retake every single corner of government. So completely COOKED.

Summary of thread: be openly corrupt, steal from the American tax payer, it's fine. Why? Because I think some other politician probably maybe definitely stole 1.8bil directly, and explicitly, for themself and their political retaliation tour. Totally cool.

How much have we given to Trump's little personal political war chest between this and his ICE army?

Don't answer, it doesn't matter, apparently.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Nope. Democrat force must be met with like force. If the corrupt actors don't have their noses dragged through the ****, they'll never stop.

The people who had their rights trampled on must be made whole.

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Ah! So you admit he reneged on the "Drain the Swamp" promise. You're only OK with it because it's Orange flavored

ETFan said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Youre right. Republicans should just have to take all the corruption the democrats crushed them with.

Glad to see them fighting back. Would really like to see a lot of government officials jailed for sedition.

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So CRUSHED and FINISHED they let the be GOP retake every single corner of government. So completely COOKED.

Summary of thread: be openly corrupt, steal from the American tax payer, it's fine. Why? Because I think some other politician probably maybe definitely stole 1.8bil directly, and explicitly, for themself and their political retaliation tour. Totally cool.

How much have we given to Trump's little personal political war chest between this and his ICE army?

Don't answer, it doesn't matter, apparently.

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What part of that $1.8 billion was spent unethically? Is the congressional oversight on the spending corrupt, too?

Do you have a link?

I think that $1.8 billion to fight the damage done by the weaponization of the DOJ by Biden is likely not enough.

ETFan said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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Youre right. Republicans should just have to take all the corruption the democrats crushed them with.

Glad to see them fighting back. Would really like to see a lot of government officials jailed for sedition.

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So CRUSHED and FINISHED they let the be GOP retake every single corner of government. So completely COOKED.

Summary of thread: be openly corrupt, steal from the American tax payer, it's fine. Why? Because I think some other politician probably maybe definitely stole 1.8bil directly, and explicitly, for themself and their political retaliation tour. Totally cool.

How much have we given to Trump's little personal political war chest between this and his ICE army?

Don't answer, it doesn't matter, apparently.

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What is an ICE army? Is this like his Diet Coke button.

Who is stealing? The money is specifically prohibited from going to Trump. If anything, he's more Robinhood than anything.

Sorry that America becoming great again and exposing your lib grafting is upsetting your entitlement(s).

Iced-T14 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Nope. Democrat force must be met with like force. If the corrupt actors don't have their noses dragged through the ****, they'll never stop.

The people who had their rights trampled on must be made whole.

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Ah! So you admit he reneged on the "Drain the Swamp" promise. You're only OK with it because it's Orange flavored

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Here, let me match your comment with a similar comment in terms of nonsense:

So you admit that all of Trump's policies are good for America, but that Dems only hate the policies because they hate Trump so much?

It's a simple question Buster, is he draining the swamp or is he expanding it?

M.C. Swag said:

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Were I a Republican, my vote would have been for Nikki Hayley.

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Then be happy with me, because I voted for Hayley in the primary. But once it's the General that time is reserved for supporting anyone against a piece of **** democrat.

Kansas Kid said:

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So who represented the American taxpayers interest in this "negotiation"? Unfortunately, this will be repeated under the next Dem president and may become a new way to hand out political patronage.

When government employees violate rights of citizens, prosecute them by all means.

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Immigrants using this in the next Dem administration is very likely.

Meh, so it starts the precedent of every administration using the government to buy people's votes and affection. The only difference now is that it's very much in your face and out in the open.

A couple billion in every administration doesn't really amount to much anyway so, "I'll allow it."

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

BusterAg said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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Were I a Republican, my vote would have been for Nikki Hayley.

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So, do you agree with her policy positions? At all?

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No I'm not a Republican but if I were she at least seems like a competent, decent person who has a track record that backs up her policies. Trump on the other hand pretending to be an avatar for traditional family values, fiscal responsibility, peace maker, etc was always laughable. I understand the people who held their nose to vote for him against Kamala, but I'll never understand anyone that voted for him in the Primary. Even the charisma vampire Desantis would have been a better Presidential candidate than this grifter.

I've never voted for Trump in any of the 3 primaries. Loathed him. Still do sometimes.

But rather than taking this as a moment of reflection to see how truly vile the Democrat party has become where someone like Trump is a better alternate to ANY Democrat because of your policies you won't. You'll keep blaming people for not wanting to embrace your bull**** and forcing them in the Trump camp.

Your side is more responsible for Trump than we are.

Iced-T14 said:

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It's a simple question Buster, is he draining the swamp or is he expanding it?

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Draining it, painting it blue and putting ozone bubblers in it.

Get with the program.

unimboti nkum said:

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

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We don't live in a democracy. HTH.

No one is accountable for Trump's behavior other than Trump. The Dem party had nothing to do with the brazen corruption he is engaging in and are certainly not to blame because you are defending it. You have such a childish mindset.

No Spin Ag said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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So who represented the American taxpayers interest in this "negotiation"? Unfortunately, this will be repeated under the next Dem president and may become a new way to hand out political patronage.

When government employees violate rights of citizens, prosecute them by all means.

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Immigrants using this in the next Dem administration is very likely.

Meh, so it starts the precedent of every administration using the government to buy people's votes and affection. The only difference now is that it's very much in your face and out in the open.

A couple billion in every administration doesn't really amount to much anyway so, "I'll allow it."

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They used it in the last administration.

Shipped immigrants to red areas and gave them millions in free food, housing and healthcare then counted them in the census and now fight against voterID.

Dems probably spent a trillion or more on this.

$1.776 billion to restore a few patriots who had their lives ruined for standing up against the Biden weaponized DOJ is peanuts.

GeorgiAg said:

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I thought MAGA was drain the swamp. Then we have the most blatant corruption this country has ever seen. MAGA cheers it on while our deficit spirals out of control.

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You mad because your boy Rafflesburger didn't make it to the primary runoff?

flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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So who represented the American taxpayers interest in this "negotiation"? Unfortunately, this will be repeated under the next Dem president and may become a new way to hand out political patronage.

When government employees violate rights of citizens, prosecute them by all means.

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Immigrants using this in the next Dem administration is very likely.

Meh, so it starts the precedent of every administration using the government to buy people's votes and affection. The only difference now is that it's very much in your face and out in the open.

A couple billion in every administration doesn't really amount to much anyway so, "I'll allow it."

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They used it in the last administration.

Shipped immigrants to red areas and gave them millions in free food, housing and healthcare then counted them in the census and now fight against voterID.

Dems probably spent a trillion or more on this.

$1.776 billion to restore a few patriots who had their lives ruined for standing up against the Biden weaponized DOJ is peanuts.

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Oh, I meant the next Dem administration using this to get money to those immigrants, and protestors, who felt they were (fill in the blank) during the ICE raids, or whatever they want to use along the same premise.

Like I said, it's a precedent (giving money directly to people) that'll be used by every administration, including the left, going forward.

Thankfully it's not much money in the grand scheme of our budget.

M.C. Swag said:

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No one is accountable for Trump's behavior other than Trump. The Dem party had nothing to do with the brazen corruption he is engaging in and are certainly not to blame because you are defending it. You have such a childish mindset.

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Your side is to blame because you don't give us a reasonable democrat alternative. You enabled Trump and made him palatable.