Justice Department agrees to $1.776B Fund for Trump Allies

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I mean that last paragraph and sentence thereof allows for any and all oversight, particularly concerning illegal activity and fraud.

Where do people get its free from oversight and review of who received what?

People want the recipients doxxed. When the left doxxes people, people get harassed hurt and killed. So no doxxing.
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And who is going to order a third-party audit? The people in charge? That's laughable.
I don't think you think there's actually any accountability or transparency here.
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HTownAg98 said:

And who is going to order a third-party audit? The people in charge? That's laughable.
I don't think you think there's actually any accountability or transparency here.

Perhaps you missed this again…

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What is pennitted?

I'm Gipper
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Probably a bad OCR translation.
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Perhaps you should spend some time in the real world. Blanche gets to appoint the commission. Any request for an audit or investigation goes through him. You're living in a fantasy land if you think he'd actually order an audit or investigation.

Congress: we have evidence of fraudulent claims happening in the settlement fund. DOJ, we'd like for you to investigate.
Blanche, 10 minutes later: I've investigated it, and determined there's no fraud.
Congress: …
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HTownAg98 said:

Perhaps you should spend some time in the real world. Blanche gets to appoint the commission. Any request for an audit or investigation goes through him. You're living in a fantasy land if you think he'd actually order an audit or investigation.

I had not realized Blanche would be AG in perpetuity.

It is also subject to regular congressional oversight, as all executive agencies are, and that includes subpoena power.

And could Congress not also pass a Blanche Slush Fund Transparency Act? I know Massie cannot champion it, but maybe Ro Khanna can find a new ally.

Again, you default to this is just going to be a big massive fraud scheme when absolutely NOTHING about Trump shows he would tolerate such.

Projection of what people know they would do if in charge of a fund like this versus what people with morals would do.

The ones with morals are currently in charge. Relax bro.
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There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.
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redseven94 said:

Ag with kids said:

redseven94 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

redseven94 said:

Since Hunter Biden was indicted during the previous administration, is he eligible for a settlement. :-D

Hunter Biden is a real criminal.

Nice try, though.


How about all the pardoned people from J6 including those that beat police, are they not real criminals?

By law, they all acknowledged their actions by accepting pardons in 1/25. So what about them?

Eligible?

So, if you were wrongly convicted and imprisoned due to prosecutorial malfeasance, and then accepted a pardon for the crime you were wrongly convicted of, that means that you acknowledged your "actions" in the crime?


Prosecutorial Malfeasance can cause sentences to be vacated. It's called an appeal. It is SC precedent that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

So, you'd stay in jail rather than accept the pardon?

Maybe wait out the 4 or 5 years in jail while the appeals go through (and it's not guaranteed you'll win even if there was malfeasance).
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HTownAg98 said:

Perhaps you should spend some time in the real world. Blanche gets to appoint the commission. Any request for an audit or investigation goes through him. You're living in a fantasy land if you think he'd actually order an audit or investigation.

Congress: we have evidence of fraudulent claims happening in the settlement fund. DOJ, we'd like for you to investigate.
Blanche, 10 minutes later: I've investigated it, and determined there's no fraud.
Congress: …

Next Dem POTUS with Dem DOJ...

Think THEY will look into it?
You can turn off signatures, btw
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We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

This.

The weaponization of the government during the Obama (think Gen. Flynn) and Biden administrations has been very dangerous for the country.

I don't know if this fund is the right solution.

But there needs to be SOME TYPE of solution...
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Ag with kids said:

redseven94 said:

Ag with kids said:

redseven94 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

redseven94 said:

Since Hunter Biden was indicted during the previous administration, is he eligible for a settlement. :-D

Hunter Biden is a real criminal.

Nice try, though.


How about all the pardoned people from J6 including those that beat police, are they not real criminals?

By law, they all acknowledged their actions by accepting pardons in 1/25. So what about them?

Eligible?

So, if you were wrongly convicted and imprisoned due to prosecutorial malfeasance, and then accepted a pardon for the crime you were wrongly convicted of, that means that you acknowledged your "actions" in the crime?


Prosecutorial Malfeasance can cause sentences to be vacated. It's called an appeal. It is SC precedent that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

So, you'd stay in jail rather than accept the pardon?

Maybe wait out the 4 or 5 years in jail while the appeals go through (and it's not guaranteed you'll win even if there was malfeasance).


I would take the pardon (if I was guilty)!!!'
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We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

Again, I have no sympathy for those who entered the Capitol building that day. If they couldn't afford counsel, they had access to public defenders. If you think that system is inadequate and leads to people with little means accepting bad deals because they can't fight the man, welcome to what every inner city public defender has been saying forever. I spare no special consideration for their plight that I wouldn't spare for anyone else trapped in a bad system, and the solution isn't to give them special access to free money because their criminal behavior is condoned by the world's most powerful patron.

Again easy test: Should the President be able to selectively indemnify political allies using taxpayer money? No!!!
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Malibu said:

We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

Again, I have no sympathy for those who entered the Capitol building that day. If they couldn't afford counsel, they had access to public defenders. If you think that system is inadequate and leads to people with little means accepting bad deals because they can't fight the man, welcome to what every inner city public defender has been saying forever. I spare no special consideration for their plight that I wouldn't spare for anyone else trapped in a bad system, and the solution isn't to give them special access to free money because their criminal behavior is condoned by the world's most powerful patron.

Again easy test: Should the President be able to selectively indemnify political allies using taxpayer money? No!!!


The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't so infuriating. These MAGA folk who are pretending to care about the inequity of the justice system (something the poor and minority communities have been saying for generations) because Trump riled up a mob to break into the Capitol building is certified insanity. And they'll decry the "weaponization" of government while ignoring that all these Jan 6ers committed crimes and documented the entire thing in 4K HD.

Guys like David Dempsey, who pled Guilty for assaulting an officer BECAUSE THEY HAVE VIDEO OF HIM STOMPING ON A COPS HEAD is somehow not only having his 20 year sentence pardoned but is now eligible for compensation?!?! This is ****ing looney tunes!
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Has he applied? The only one I see applying are people who the Steele dossier ****ed over. That false document that your kind loved broke people. Not to mention lying on a fisa warrant. That guy should have been executed. Don't forget Steele couldn't even get a name of a bank correct
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Faux outrage by the left along with their not so veiled criticism that the justice system is systemically racist when intimations Dems is lush.

But they also now say SCOTUS is the Dread Scott court for ENDING racism.

Truly bizarre their cult is. Truly bizarre. And quite unamerican.
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I know you love to deflect when you can't defend the indefensible, but answer the prompt.

Why should people like David Dempsey, who were found guilty of perpetrating violence against cops, not only be pardoned but be eligible for a compensation through a fund created to settle a lawsuit Trump had filed against his own government over the alleged mishandling of his tax records? Excuse my French, but this is total bat ****tery. My god man, put down the tribal torch and read this ***** Blanche will appoint four of the five members of the commission who will decide the merits of the claims.

The commission can authorize payments to those who demonstrate they were targeted for "improper and unlawful political, personal and/or ideological reasons," according to the settlement agreement. As examples, it cites Biden-era moves that conservatives have condemned, including prosecutions of activists for obstructing access to abortion clinics. <-THE DOJ SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT CITES THESE AS EXAMPLES. Again I ask, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
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Hullabaloonatic said:

I know you love to deflect when you can't defend the indefensible, but answer the prompt.

Why should people like David Dempsey, who were found guilty of perpetrating violence against cops, not only be pardoned but be eligible for a compensation through a fund created to settle a lawsuit Trump had filed against his own government over the alleged mishandling of his tax records? Excuse my French, but this is total bat ****tery. My god man, put down the tribal torch and read this ***** Blanche will appoint four of the five members of the commission who will decide the merits of the claims.

The commission can authorize payments to those who demonstrate they were targeted for "improper and unlawful political, personal and/or ideological reasons," according to the settlement agreement. As examples, it cites Biden-era moves that conservatives have condemned, including prosecutions of activists for obstructing access to abortion clinics. <-THE DOJ SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT CITES THESE AS EXAMPLES. Again I ask, WHAT ARE WE DOING?


So you're asking to people defend something that hasn't happened and likely won't? You're picking random names and getting upset about hypotheticals. I mean, it's not unique, this is the kind of thing that passes as liberal critical thought now, I guess.
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Because Democrats have politicized and weaponized the justice system against Republicans, this fund for Trump allies is needed. Like any class refund, it's vulnerable to fraud, but it's how we fight back against Democrats.
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Phatbob said:

Pylon Cam said:

Part of the agreement is that the irs will never be able to audit Trump or his family again, meaning that they are quite literally able to commit tax fraud without the government being able to find out about it. It was an unfathomable conflict of interest that Trump administration attorneys were the ones defending the government against Trump's lawsuit. This is a deeply corrupt administration…they're adding to the swamp.

This is actually false. The hatred for Trump has apparently caused a mass outbreak of a lack of reading comprehension. This was only for past taxes. All this means is they can't try to redo all of gimmicks they tried under Biden. Nothing prevents them from investigating future taxes if something is amiss.



Imagine a settlement that closes all of the matters before the court. Most corrupt thing ever.

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Phatbob said:

Pylon Cam said:

Part of the agreement is that the irs will never be able to audit Trump or his family again, meaning that they are quite literally able to commit tax fraud without the government being able to find out about it. It was an unfathomable conflict of interest that Trump administration attorneys were the ones defending the government against Trump's lawsuit. This is a deeply corrupt administration…they're adding to the swamp.

This is actually false. The hatred for Trump has apparently caused a mass outbreak of a lack of reading comprehension. This was only for past taxes. All this means is they can't try to redo all of gimmicks they tried under Biden. Nothing prevents them from investigating future taxes if something is amiss.




Quit bringing facts to a drama queen who has probably never really paid income tax.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Malibu said:

We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

Again, I have no sympathy for those who entered the Capitol building that day. If they couldn't afford counsel, they had access to public defenders. If you think that system is inadequate and leads to people with little means accepting bad deals because they can't fight the man, welcome to what every inner city public defender has been saying forever. I spare no special consideration for their plight that I wouldn't spare for anyone else trapped in a bad system, and the solution isn't to give them special access to free money because their criminal behavior is condoned by the world's most powerful patron.

Again easy test: Should the President be able to selectively indemnify political allies using taxpayer money? No!!!


The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't so infuriating. These MAGA folk who are pretending to care about the inequity of the justice system (something the poor and minority communities have been saying for generations) because Trump riled up a mob to break into the Capitol building is certified insanity. And they'll decry the "weaponization" of government while ignoring that all these Jan 6ers committed crimes and documented the entire thing in 4K HD.

Guys like David Dempsey, who pled Guilty for assaulting an officer BECAUSE THEY HAVE VIDEO OF HIM STOMPING ON A COPS HEAD is somehow not only having his 20 year sentence pardoned but is now eligible for compensation?!?! This is ****ing looney tunes!


Funny how you tell us to "put down the tribal torch" when in this post directly before that comment you belittle us for the bold. As if it actually didn't happen under Obama and Biden. They famously weaponized the government against conservatives. It's historical fact. Yet, you put it in quotes as if it is some right wing conspiracy.

Put down the tribal torch indeed. Acknowledge your sides illegal, immoral, and unethical prosecution of our side first and maybe we can have a bi-partisan discussion on J6.

Until such time, pound sand.
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YouBet said:


Funny how you tell us to "put down the tribal torch" when in this post directly before that comment you belittle us for the bold. As if it actually didn't happen under Obama and Biden. They famously weaponized the government against conservatives. It's historical fact. Yet, you put it in quotes as if it is some right wing conspiracy.

Put down the tribal torch indeed. Acknowledge your sides illegal, immoral, and unethical prosecution of our side first and maybe we can have a bi-partisan discussion on J6.

Until such time, pound sand.

J6 was the greatest threat to our republic in history, but knowingly presenting fake evidence to a FISA court to spy on the incoming president with the hope of removing him from office was no big deal.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Malibu said:

We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

Again, I have no sympathy for those who entered the Capitol building that day. If they couldn't afford counsel, they had access to public defenders. If you think that system is inadequate and leads to people with little means accepting bad deals because they can't fight the man, welcome to what every inner city public defender has been saying forever. I spare no special consideration for their plight that I wouldn't spare for anyone else trapped in a bad system, and the solution isn't to give them special access to free money because their criminal behavior is condoned by the world's most powerful patron.

Again easy test: Should the President be able to selectively indemnify political allies using taxpayer money? No!!!


The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't so infuriating. These MAGA folk who are pretending to care about the inequity of the justice system (something the poor and minority communities have been saying for generations) because Trump riled up a mob to break into the Capitol building is certified insanity. And they'll decry the "weaponization" of government while ignoring that all these Jan 6ers committed crimes and documented the entire thing in 4K HD.

Guys like David Dempsey, who pled Guilty for assaulting an officer BECAUSE THEY HAVE VIDEO OF HIM STOMPING ON A COPS HEAD is somehow not only having his 20 year sentence pardoned but is now eligible for compensation?!?! This is ****ing looney tunes!


Trump didn't rile up a mob to break into the capitol building.

He was the sitting president, and was still giving a speech when tensions flared miles away.

You don't have an objective, rational, reality based grasp of the events that day, rendering your opinion on that matter rather inept.
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Silent For Too Long said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

Malibu said:

We fixed the keg said:

There are definitely people whose rights were violated. Be it having to accept a bogus plea because they didn't have the money to fight the government, or getting a sentence that didn't remotely fit their actions on that day. This is not to say some didn't absolutely deserve, and receive, harsh sentences for their actions.

The reality here is, there doesn't appear a path for these folks to receive any form of justice. Providing the fund to dole out cash is going to be never ending for each future administration. Even setting it up as a "legal defense" fund to provide these people someone to fight for them is just a massive payout to lawyers.

Just more casualties of our out of control politicians.

Again, I have no sympathy for those who entered the Capitol building that day. If they couldn't afford counsel, they had access to public defenders. If you think that system is inadequate and leads to people with little means accepting bad deals because they can't fight the man, welcome to what every inner city public defender has been saying forever. I spare no special consideration for their plight that I wouldn't spare for anyone else trapped in a bad system, and the solution isn't to give them special access to free money because their criminal behavior is condoned by the world's most powerful patron.

Again easy test: Should the President be able to selectively indemnify political allies using taxpayer money? No!!!


The whole thing would be laughable if it weren't so infuriating. These MAGA folk who are pretending to care about the inequity of the justice system (something the poor and minority communities have been saying for generations) because Trump riled up a mob to break into the Capitol building is certified insanity. And they'll decry the "weaponization" of government while ignoring that all these Jan 6ers committed crimes and documented the entire thing in 4K HD.

Guys like David Dempsey, who pled Guilty for assaulting an officer BECAUSE THEY HAVE VIDEO OF HIM STOMPING ON A COPS HEAD is somehow not only having his 20 year sentence pardoned but is now eligible for compensation?!?! This is ****ing looney tunes!


Trump didn't rile up a mob to break into the capitol building.

He was the sitting president, and was still giving a speech when tensions flared miles away.

You don't have an objective, rational, reality based grasp of the events that day, rendering your opinion on that matter rather inept.


It's also been memory holed (and in real time by Twitter) that he told his followers not to riot and be peaceful.
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You have to at least credit that it took massive balls to market this thing as they did.

Some genius in the Administration apparently thought using the specific number 1776 to fund this boondoggle would somehow make it more palatable.

In doing so they're implying that the rioters who attempted to bring down our democracy are morally equivalent to the patriots who risked everything to originally create it so long ago.

Astounding huevos.
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74OA said:

You have to at least credit that it took massive balls to market this thing as they did.

Some genius in the Administration apparently thought using the specific number 1776 to fund this boondoggle would somehow make it more palatable.

In doing so they're implying that the rioters who attempted to bring down our democracy are morally equivalent to the patriots who risked everything to originally create it so long ago.

Astounding huevos.

Astounding PATRIOTISM is what I think you meant to say.

Writing the wrongs of the Biden corrupt DOJ is America First and Foremost.

Thanks GOD for Donald John Trump!
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74OA said:

You have to at least credit that it took massive balls to market this thing as they did.

Some genius in the Administration apparently thought using the specific number 1776 to fund this boondoggle would somehow make it more palatable.

In doing so they're implying that the rioters who attempted to bring down our democracy are morally equivalent to the patriots who risked everything to originally create it so long ago.

Astounding huevos.


LOL, there was no attempt to bring down our "democracy". Not just because we're not a democracy, we're a republic. The founders rejected democracy because it always devolves into tyranny.

They were in control of Pelosi's office. Shaman guy was at the Speaker's chair holding the gavel (a Capitol Police Officer was watching and laughed at him). If bringing down our democracy were possible, what more would they need to do? Bringing down our democracy was neither an objective, nor a possibility.
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You think this is only about the rioters? Guess you missed a post on the previous page.
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VegasAg86 said:

74OA said:

You have to at least credit that it took massive balls to market this thing as they did.

Some genius in the Administration apparently thought using the specific number 1776 to fund this boondoggle would somehow make it more palatable.

In doing so they're implying that the rioters who attempted to bring down our democracy are morally equivalent to the patriots who risked everything to originally create it so long ago.

Astounding huevos.


LOL, there was no attempt to bring down our "democracy". Not just because we're not a democracy, we're a republic. The founders rejected democracy because it always devolves into tyranny.

They were in control of Pelosi's office. Shaman guy was at the Speaker's chair holding the gavel (a Capitol Police Officer was watching and laughed at him). If bringing down our democracy were possible, what more would they need to do? Bringing down our democracy was neither an objective, nor a possibility.

Yea, it's not like they tried to shoot Pelosi on a stage in PA, at a golf course in FL, at an even in DC and at his homes on multiple occasions.

All the did was break a window, take pepper balls at point blank range, took Pelosis stock trading machine and **** on her desk.

Darkest day in 250 years of history.
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74OA said:

You have to at least credit that it took massive balls to market this thing as they did.

Some genius in the Administration apparently thought using the specific number 1776 to fund this boondoggle would somehow make it more palatable.

In doing so they're implying that the rioters who attempted to bring down our democracy are morally equivalent to the patriots who risked everything to originally create it so long ago.

Astounding huevos.


The BLM rioters unleashed substantially more damage on our country, not just in lives lost and economic damage, but reignited racial tensions during a "pandemic " when tensions were already high. Not only did the left not condemn the rampant destruction, they white knighted for it and spun away the true devastation it unleashed on primarily poor communities.

The Rioters faced almost no prosecution.

Then J6 happens 1,575 people are prosecuted for the sins of about 15 riled up coss players. All of which were undeniably being egged on by both undercover government employees as well as antifa, all set in a pressure cooker intentionally designed by Nancy Pelosi.

Despite all that, do I believe moron Proud Boys who actually assaulted officers should still be behind bars? Yes. However you're just being bitter and tribal if you can''t recognize that a substantial portion of that 1,575 had their lives devastated purely for political purposes for petty trespassing.

Put down your DNC colored glasses for five seconds and admit you would be pretty darn pissed at uncle Sam if he ruined your life over political purposes and justly deserve compensation.

And cry me a Fing river about fraud potential. Literally every program a Democrat touches is bloated by several orders of magnitude by grift and graft.
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Gordo14 said:

This is frankly the most openly corrupt thing ever done in American history and it's just happening. Just depressing the level of corruption in this administration and cult followers celebrate it. This is what the real decline of America looks like. "But he doesn't take a salary". He just dumps crypto scams, hides oil money from Venezuela in Qatar (selling the oil to donor traders from Vitol), now he just take 1.8B from the IRS, no bid contracts for labor, the privately funded ballroom that taxpayers need to pay for now, his stock trading (but Nancy Pelosi!), the insiders trading his announcements before he posts, and this disaster of a war. Honestly, you have to be a mindless cult follower to believe any of this is good for America. If only this wasn't so ****ing predictable.


This board cheers for this. How sad is that?
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I think every Trump supporter present on J6 should be pardoned and paid handsomely, no matter what they did. America is supposed to have a blind justice system, but it has proven to be anything but. Pay them.
 
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