You won't be replaced by AI, you will be replaced by an Indian using AI.

I saw some comments saying Indians outsourcing will go down because AI can replace Indian labor.

No, the AI is going to replace you and the Indian labor will be kept to feed the AI instructions.

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Read that tweet I posted earlier. AI is getting exponentially better.

I don't know where the productivity gains end but there isn't an executive I've spoken to in 6 months that believes the standard 40 hour work week will still be the norm in 5 years. We're going to have more free time (and mental problems).

The entire economy is likely to be reshaped as industries are transformed. Technology has always created more jobs, this time may be different.

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Completely agree. I'm not sure if timelines are over / under estimated but it's coming. The blog is not wrong. I just wonder how we adapt. In consumer economy, how does it survive without the biggest consumers being able to afford anything. Somehow this needs to be titrated but the rate of development isn't going to allow for a gradual onboarding.

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Well it should be able to gut the governmental work force. A huge downside is going to be the huge slip of human knowledge. Mass humanity is goung to be much dumber.

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I hope you're right, but even Elon and DOGE couldn't defeat the deep state. The Govies will fight to the death for their job and pension.

In 2015, Elon said fully autonomous cars would be available in a few years.

In 2019, he predicted 1million robotaxis by 2020.

He also predicted to be on Mars by 2021 and then the moon by 2021.

He's a great visionary and entrepreneur, but you really can't believe a word he says.

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I saw some comments saying Indians outsourcing will go down because AI can replace Indian labor.

No, the AI is going to replace you and the Indian labor will be kept to feed the AI instructions.

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Yes, that's the more likely scenario.

The missing variable in Dustin's AI generated X post is the energy to do all of this. We aren't going to have "unlimited production" without the corresponding energy to do it.

Elon has also said in the last few weeks that we are going to hit a wall in a few months on being able to do much more than we are right now. We will have unused chips sitting on shelves because there is nothing to plug them into. Data centers are not being built fast enough to keep up with AI's exponential improvements. And you also have communities now fighting data centers being built.

And never mind our woefully inadequate energy infrastructure which can't remotely handle all of the planned data center energy suck. There are only a handful of states that can even handle it.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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The missing variable in Dustin's AI generated X post is the energy to do all of this. We aren't going to have "unlimited production" without the corresponding energy to do it.

Elon has also said in the last few weeks that we are going to hit a wall in a few months on being able to do much more than we are right now. We will have unused chips sitting on shelves because there is nothing to plug them into. Data centers are not being built fast enough to keep up with AI's exponential improvements. And you also have communities now fighting data centers being built.

And never mind our woefully inadequate energy infrastructure which can't remotely handle all of the planned data center energy suck. There are only a handful of states that can even handle it.

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I think you're right that the AI build-out will run into a variety of constraints that will take years to overcome, whether it's energy supply, human resistance to change, legal constraints, etc.

I'm not saying it won't be disruptive and extremely impactful, because it will be. I would just take the apocalyptic comments from folks like Elon with many grains of salt.

It will reduce some white collar jobs considerably over time, but then you have to ask what kind of jobs will it create? As companies become more productive and save money, where else will they invest (where they were previously financially constrained) to create value for their customers and owners? As long as our markets are not monopolized, companies will still compete for customers.

I'm about to retire, so it's a non-issue for me, but if I were younger and in a white collar job, I would really think about how can I add value to my customers, or my employer, and what skills do I need to develop or improve? It's probably the soft skills more than the technical. People who can work well with others and push through all the bureaucratic BS and functional silos in an organization will still be highly valued. Those who want to work on a computer in isolation somewhere will be at high risk of displacement. And of course, all the manual trades (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, etc.) should remain in strong demand.

Microsoft steals or buys all of their products

this dude ain't creating crap

The company which cannot build a stable operating system (Windows 11 sucks) can build an AI system that will take over the world?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAH

Have you used Windows 11? I switched from Windows 10 recently and my Firefox browser keeps crashing. So annoying. Win 10 was good and 11 should be better but it is not. They probably had their useless AI agents write the code as Nadella claimed 30% of their code was written by AI. I can see the impact of that.

Satya Nadella says as much as 30% of Microsoft code is written by AI

The company is crawling with useless H1Bs.

Useless employers, useless products. This Muslim chap is also one of them grifters who wants to keep his job safe for a few more years.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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The company which cannot build a stable operating system (Windows 11 sucks) can build an AI system that will take over the world?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAH

Have you used Windows 11? I switched from Windows 10 recently and my Firefox browser keeps crashing. So annoying. Win 10 was good and 11 should be better but it is not. They probably had their useless AI agents write the code as Nadella claimed 30% of their code was written by AI. I can see the impact of that.

Satya Nadella says as much as 30% of Microsoft code is written by AI

The company is crawling with useless H1Bs.

Useless employers, useless products. This Muslim chap is also one of them grifters who wants to keep his job safe for a few more years.

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Nothing will ever compare to the beauty that was Windows 7. Win7 was the best OS and everything has sucked since then.

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In 2015, Elon said fully autonomous cars would be available in a few years.

In 2019, he predicted 1million robotaxis by 2020.

He also predicted to be on Mars by 2021 and then the moon by 2021.

He's a great visionary and entrepreneur, but you really can't believe a word he says.

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That's how most "visionaries" are. They talk a lot of bs and 1-2 things come true.
He is rich and self made so everyone licks his boots. If he was poor then you would be laughing at him.

Windows XP, 7, and 10 were stable and considered very good releases. Sometimes a bad release happens, like Vista. I have a few quirks in 11, but it's not the disaster you are implying.

We will all wave goodbye to you from the AI bus. Good luck with your future.

Pioneer at what? Fraud?

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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Windows XP, 7, and 10 were stable and considered very good releases. Sometimes a bad release happens, like Vista. I have a few quirks in 11, but it's not the disaster you are implying.

We will all wave goodbye to you from the AI bus. Good luck with your future.

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How can a bad release "happen"? They were sleeping at the wheel. 11 is identical to 10 but they managed to screw it up. At least they tried to be different with Vista.

Have fun in your "bus".

I will see you back here when the bus crashes.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

Gf's company recently hired a Director of AI and they are installing several AI agents, native AI-functionality into existing tools, and doing training for all dev/data teams to vibe code with Claude in the next few weeks. I'll let her experience dictate how I feel about all this potential. I keep hearing use cases and I think run of the mill, things that don't have any real risk or any real complexity still.

To those that ask, why do we do it if it will mean our demise, the answer is this simple.

Humans are curious and we are creators/builders. Those two factors force us to use new tech to build more even if it is against our better judgement.

That said, with AI we have the ability to be working on really big problems. All those smart people who will be out of work will have the ability, if they use it to be tackling problems they could never have considered solving before.

So Elon's "to Mars" comment is not wrong because for the first time in my lifetime we have the productivity tool that it will take to mine the asteroids and colonize the stars. (That will take decades and centuries even with AI).

But this AI will help our researcher to cure more diseases, increase agriculture with fewer inputs, and the list goes on. People need to lean into the good of this thing because the bad is going to suck and it will suck more if we don't start dreaming big to give us something to strive for.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Give me an example of "quality code".

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Built and building the operational platform using Claude Code which is in production. That's as much as you are getting out of me.

I'm not sure why there is doubt here. We aren't the only ones doing this. Tons of companies (mostly startups and newer companies without a lot of tech debt) are doing things this way.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main() {
cout << "Hello World" << endl;
return 0;
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Production at a Series A, Public Co On-Prem, or SaaS Cloud? Big differences there.

Claude Desktop Extensions Exposes Over 10,000 Users to Remote Code Execution Vulnerability


AI does have its uses, but the whole do things fast and break stuff approach leads to stuff like this. AI browsers are a nightmare, and people are exposing themselves to vectors they didn't even think about thanks to AI agents/browsers/extensions/etc.

I would personally not be using a private model, if I needed a private model that bad I would seriously look into buying my own H200 and server racks to host an open source model and do the training on the data I want it to use.

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Pioneer at what? Fraud?

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Production at a Series A, Public Co On-Prem, or SaaS Cloud? Big differences there.

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Series A with Series B in the works. And I was talking quality; I didn't mention scale.

But I will say scale is coming. I think deluding ourselves that AI won't be able to do scale is the height of said delusion.

There are external constraints on all the grand vision / design stuff that Elon talks about, as I previously mentioned, but software dev is and will be massively disrupted.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Share details. Name the company. I don't buy it.
I am pretty sure you personally profit from these rumors.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Give me an example of "quality code".

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I was going to say the same thing. It is not very easy to define that. It has to be scalable for one - modular. No hard coding. The fact that YouBet "left" is very telling too.

Lots of scamming going on in the US with a lot of fake news floating around. People making money in the process so want the grift to continue.

never listen to what tech CEOs say about their products. they have to keep the massive hype train going to justify their 12-figure investments in AI infrastructure, and they do that with constant prognostications that their product will revolutionize the world.

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Share details. I don't buy it.
I am pretty sure you personally profit from these rumors.

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Yeah, I don't. I walked away and retired. I no longer work there.

I simply don't understand why you and others just flat out think AI is a hoax. It's frankly humorous. I do share your concerns and some of the limitations that you point out but you seem to be wholly writing it off as something that will never amount to anything when it's already a real world thing.

Notice that everything is "coming". Nothing is here yet. That is the case with all these prediction experts who cannot predict stock prices in a year but can predict where the tech industry will go.

Show me one case where AI has completely replaced people with quality in a sustainable way. Don't say Amazon robots, that is old news.

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If you haven't worked with LLMs in a CLI and orchestrated agents, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Massive change is already here. Many will be left behind, and tons of jobs that exist right now for humans wont be needed. Coding cost is a race to zero now - most dev teams will be replaced by product and one senior eng to orchestrate

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Fact. And Product and IT will meld even more. A Product person will be able to get you 80% there with AI and the Senior Engineer will get it over the finish line. Entry level coders are already extinct.

I know this because I ran Product for my startup and we implemented this model. I nixed plans for hiring Product Mgrs because I no longer needed them. Existing headcount was good using AI. We started doing dev ourselves before handing off to a Senior. And this was a few months ago and it's already progressed so far beyond when I retired that I likely wouldn't even recognize it just a few months away from it.

The original problem I had with it was that by removing entry level you removed the ability to get anyone to a Sr level later on to make this model work, but I think AI is going to progress so fast with coding that problem will dissipate. I think we actually get to a point where the Product and IT guys fully combine into one entity and you just have someone inputting the starting requirements and you just take the output and go.

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So all we need is CEOs in the future. He will buy an AI subscription, press a button and a company will pop out of it.

Profit! Billions upon billions, here I come.

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Software dev certainly will be a mostly automated process/task.

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A little bit, sure. But not how people are saying it will be. Everyone talks, no one has done it with any success in quantity and quality.

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We produced quality code with it. Our CTO moved his team full-time to Claude Code before I left. It's evolved exponentially since I left.

And I would also say, "YET". Improvements are happening at breakneck speed.

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Give me an example of "quality code".

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I was going to say the same thing. It is not very easy to define that. It has to be scalable for one - modular. No hard coding. The fact that YouBet "left" is very telling too.

Lots of scamming going on in the US with a lot of fake news floating around. People making money in the process so want the grift to continue.

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It's only "telling" because my wife and I achieved the financial means to retire before AI came along. You know, by doing the very thing you harp on here constantly about - investing.