Protests Erupt across Iran

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Old Sarge
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Has anybody checked on John Kerry yet?
"Green" is the new RED.
nortex97
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Never forget that John F "Lurch" Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia oh by the way, also wanted Ted Danson to play his role in the movie about his life/Iran negotiations where he traveled the Atlantic 69 times to figure out how much American money to give the ayatollah.

His final focus in politics was to support Biden's re-election.
LMCane
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the new King about to have his press conference.

let's not leave out the horrendous idiots Ben Rhodes and Samantha Power and Susan Rice!!
LMCane
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Ulysses90 said:

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MacArthur brutally killed many in the 'bonus expeditionary army' over money in 1932 (note; he was always an idiot and was reprimanded by Ike).

Mac was a Major General and Ike was a Major assigned as his Aide de Camp in 1932 . Tell me more about this reprimand.

also this "brutal killing"

resulted in 69 injured police/troops

2 killed protestors
nortex97
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No, I certainly would not intentionally leave them out from any blame for death/destruction/misery on this planet.


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Deliver and sustain maximum economic pressure on the regime. Block their assets worldwide. Target and dismantle their fleet of ghost tankers.

Break through the regime's information blockade by enabling unrestricted internet access. Deploy Starlink and other secure communications tools widely across Iran. And conduct cyber operations to disable the regime's ability to shut down the internet.

Hold the regime accountable by expelling its diplomats from your capitals and pursue legal enforcement actions against those responsible for crimes against humanity.

Demand the immediate release of all political prisoners.

Prepare for a democratic transition in Iran by committing to recognize a legitimate transitional government when the moment comes.

I like that he calls out starlink by name.

Prince Sultan Airbase in Saudi also cleared out but for tankers (basically). I don't think there's any sign Trump is backing down, nor that the regime has any real cards left to play.
Squadron7
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Quote:

Never forget that John F "Lurch" Kerry, who served in Vietnam and Cambodia oh by the way, also wanted Ted Danson to play his role in the movie about his life/Iran negotiations where he traveled the Atlantic 69 times to figure out how much American money to give the ayatollah.


Yeah, I think Ving Rhames ended up playing him in the movie.

nortex97
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I laughed. Also at this.

We don't need your apartment really, dufus.
YouBet
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Being able to pay the soldiers has been one of the primary enablers of war making since the dawn of time. All of the wars fought in Europe for centuries were largely based around ability to pay the soldiers and for how long. When the money spigot ran dry on paying them, those campaigns stopped, the Kings negotiated settlements of whatever gains/losses had happened at that point and they shut down warring for the season. When someone built up their money again, they would do it all over again.
nortex97
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Yes. And I think this report is likely right:
LMCane
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not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!

txags92
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LMCane said:

not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!



That worked out so well for Maduro. Khameini isn't that bright is he?
nortex97
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It was easy mid-December to pull up a mountain of "TACO" Trump comments re: Venezuela.

I think there is a lot of mistaking patience, military planning, and pressure for simple 'inaction' especially given the lobbying interests of the Arab so-called 'allies.'
flown-the-coop
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LMCane said:

not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!




Same reason it's not smart to troll the libtards around here. Always going to end with you stepping in it.
txags92
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flown-the-coop said:

LMCane said:

not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!




Same reason it's not smart to troll the libtards around here. Always going to end with you stepping in it.

All fun and games until you get hit with 7 consecutive JDAM hits from a jet you never saw or heard…
boulderaggie
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LMCane said:

not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!


I think of these as final acts of defiance. Raging against the dying of the light.
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LMCane said:

not only does the Islamic Republic literally murder thousands right in front of Trump-

but then troll him mercilessly online.

Why does Trump get more annoyed at Rand Paul than at the Ayatollah Khameini?!?!




Trump's gonna be pissed. Watch out, Denmark!
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I'm a huge Trump supporter, but he's painted himself into a corner with Iran.

He promised to protect the people if the government killed anyone, and they've killed THOUSANDS in the past few days and have now admitted to it.

Can't back down now. We have to go in or China or Russia will do it just to play hero and gain a permanent oil producing ally that will hate us for hanging them out to dry, despite their new government.
GAC06
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China and Russia are already there. Trump fired off some idiot tweets and got people killed. Turns out, foreign policy shouldn't be conduced over twitter while taking a dump
flown-the-coop
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GAC06 said:

China and Russia are already there. Trump fired off some idiot tweets and got people killed. Turns out, foreign policy shouldn't be conduced over twitter while taking a dump

You think the IRGC was watching Twitter to see what Trump had to say before killing people? Seriously?

You retired? …cause if you think the IRGC plans executions based on Trump tweets your decision making seems suspect…
GAC06
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Trump made bold claims and so far he hasn't backed them up
flown-the-coop
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That's not what you said. You said Trump tweets killed people.

Did he meed to carpet bomb Tehran so these people would not die by the guard but instead by US bombs?

Trying to make sense here.
GAC06
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Trump told Iranians he would back them up. He didn't. Did you just wake up, Rip?
flown-the-coop
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Okay, so it's all over and peace and freed trade deal has been signed with the current regime?
nortex97
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Trump somehow, at least shockingly to me, responds in a very statesman-like manner to Khamenei taunts;
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Trump refused to respond in kind to the taunts, though. What he did was calmly speak about the truth of what the mullahs' "leadership" is actually doing, and that it isn't how you lead a country by any normal definition.

"Leadership is about respect, not fear and death," Pres. Trump said, adding that "[t]he man is a sick man who should run his country properly and stop killing people."

"His country is the worst place to live anywhere in the world because of poor leadership," he said.
Speaking specifically about Khamenei, the president did not mince words:
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"What he is guilty of, as the leader of a country, is the complete destruction of the country and the use of violence at levels never seen before. In order to keep the country functioning even though that function is a very low level the leadership should focus on running his country properly, like I do with the United States, and not killing people by the thousands in order to keep control."

This was exactly how an American president should respond, instead of showing weakness like the Biden administration, when they kept coddling the regime with nuclear deals that did little to nothing to end Iran's ambitions. In this case, instead of lashing out at the direct threats of assassination and these new insults, Trump did the right thing and reminded everyone in the world what's actually happening in Iran.

nortex97
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More good news.
Dave Robicheaux
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GAC06 said:

Trump made bold claims and so far he hasn't backed them up

patience, grasshopper.

YouBet
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Current protests have largely stopped according to the WSJ:

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Iranians reached by The Wall Street Journal, along with some foreign government officials and analysts, say the current round of protests is all but over after the crackdown. But they say further unrest is possible given underlying complaints about a spiraling economy and heavy-handed rule remain unresolved.


And we haven't taken strikes off the table since we know have an A/C carrier group headed there right now.

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The U.S. president had encouraged protesters to take to the streets and repeatedly threatened to intervene if Iran began killing them. But he stepped back from military action at the end of the week. Advisers told him the U.S. didn't have enough forces in the region to deal a substantial blow to the regime and counter retaliatory strikes, and Trump opted to hold off until more firepower could be brought to bear, officials told The Wall Street Journal.
nortex97
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The protests have stopped for now, but I think some credit should be given to Trump and the Pentagon team who don't want to pull a Clinton/Obama 'bomb a pharmaceutical factory/wedding party' for some symbolic 'do something' credit for their loyalists domestically, let alone just get some Americans killed la Hillary 'what difference, at this point, does it make?'/Benghazi.

Decisive military action should be just that, and clearly has not been taken off the table at all.
YouBet
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nortex97 said:

The protests have stopped for now, but I think some credit should be given to Trump and the Pentagon team who don't want to pull a Clinton/Obama 'bomb a pharmaceutical factory/wedding party' for some symbolic 'do something' credit for their loyalists domestically, let alone just get some Americans killed la Hillary 'what difference, at this point, does it make?'/Benghazi.

Decisive military action should be just that, and clearly has not been taken off the table at all.


Agree although I still think he has to do something at this point. Remains to be seen what that might be.

The Iranian economy is gone at this point so I'm not sure how they recover even if protests have stopped for now.
Queso1
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I know it's naive, and maybe I'm just too much of a liberal (classical, not a blue haired freak), but I cannot understand why one group of people believe they have the right to massacre others. Maybe it's the way the coffee is hitting this morning, but this seems like such an alien, insane and corrupt position to take.

I don't know what Trump can do. If it's nothing, he should have kept his mouth shut because now he looks weaker and as if he let those people down.
halfastros81
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It's not hard to understand imo. It's called an evil lust for power. I agree it's hard to comprehend how someone could actually do some of the things they do to get it or keep it but it's been going on since the dawn of human history.
No Spin Ag
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Queso1 said:

I know it's naive, and maybe I'm just too much of a liberal (classical, not a blue haired freak), but I cannot understand why one group of people believe they have the right to massacre others. Maybe it's the way the coffee is hitting this morning, but this seems like such an alien, insane and corrupt position to take.

I don't know what Trump can do. If it's nothing, he should have kept his mouth shut because now he looks weaker and as if he let those people down.

If Trump does nothing, his threats in the future won't be seen the same as they would be if he kept his word and took action.

He might as well have said there was a red line like Obama.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Waffledynamics
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If the protests have stopped, then reprisals will start.

Should have helped them along. This is bad.
BusterAg
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The Iranian Republican Guard has significantly more capability than Maduro's personal security forces, largely because Obama dropped off a pallet of Cash to Iran to fund them building up their capabilities.

We can't just send 9 choppers into Iran and get the job done. It's going to take a larger military operation.

What we are seeing now is the staging of that military operation. We are moving hardware into place in preparation to strike.

And, we might just hang out there in the ME for a little while until actionable intelligence becomes available.

Remember what happened to the Hamas leadership? Trump / Netanyahu cut off the head of the snake suddenly, unexpectantly, and very effectively.

The next few weeks to months are going to be pretty interesting. I seriously doubt that America is going to amass forces in the ME, wait around for a while, and then eventually go home.

We are going to do something, but it is better to wait until you can actually accomplish something than it is to do something too early and rash and completely fail.

Remember when Biden was more concerned about timelines than execution when withdrawing from Afghanistan? Remember when GWB had the whole celebration of victory way, way too early in Iraq? Remember when Hillary Clinton was more concerned about a photo op of her "under enemy fire" in Benghazi than in supplying the State Department with adequate security forces there?

When timing and political posturing is more important to you than execution is, you are much more likely to fail.

I will wait to see what happens in Iran before I condemn what Trump and team is doing there.
flown-the-coop
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Queso1 said:

I know it's naive, and maybe I'm just too much of a liberal (classical, not a blue haired freak), but I cannot understand why one group of people believe they have the right to massacre others. Maybe it's the way the coffee is hitting this morning, but this seems like such an alien, insane and corrupt position to take.

I don't know what Trump can do. If it's nothing, he should have kept his mouth shut because now he looks weaker and as if he let those people down.

Did you miss what Cuomo and others did to elderly in the early days of COVID? That was one group believing they had to the right to massacre others.
 
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