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This is ridiculous. His hat doesn’t make him a criminal now a danger to anyone. If someone get on plane with an LBGTblahblahblah, not a word would be said. His rights are being violated. Period. pic.twitter.com/FCX741KYKf

— Sebastian™ (@Azariel91) October 8, 2025

Aggie pilot?

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Also that hat has a cuss word on it. I've heard of pilots telling people with inappropriate language on clothes that they have to cover it up.

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Grey boy with a little earring and a pinky ring.

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We know what cause and effect is. We also know that air crews have almost complete control of the airplane. If they tell you to do something, do it. Question later or find another flight. We are trying to tell you that it matters dick wether any of us agree with the pilot's determination. I personally wouldn't be bothered by that hat as a pilot or flight attendant. And if one passenger had an issue I'd let her know we haven't had complaints from others and I could move her to another row where she doesn't have to see it. But if several complain then it's easier to ask the guy to store the hat. If either want to push back then tough ****, get off the plane.

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I wasn't talking to you. And you don't know what it is either, which is not surprising! The root cause here is wearing of the hat. Had he not had the hat on, no one would have complained and the instructions would not have been given in the first place.

I want to wear the hat. You can't wear the hat. I'm wearing the hat. Your off the plane.


"He wasn't kicked off for wearing the hat!" LOL. Yes he was!

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This is ridiculous. His hat doesn’t make him a criminal now a danger to anyone. If someone get on plane with an LBGTblahblahblah, not a word would be said. His rights are being violated. Period. pic.twitter.com/FCX741KYKf

— Sebastian™ (@Azariel91) October 8, 2025

Aggie pilot?

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Also that hat has a cuss word on it. I've heard of pilots telling people with inappropriate language on clothes that they have to cover it up.

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Grey boy with a little earring and a pinky ring.

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Pretty sure this is a female. Look at the nails. Most likely lez.

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If you have a vulgarity on your hat you're going to be the one kicked off every time. Like I said, I've flown with people in maga hats many times.

And also as I've said, whether you and I justify it is irrelevant. The only opinion that matters is the pilot in command.

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I have changed my mind here. This is a safety issue.

A person that is so offended by that hat where they are compelled to complain to the crew to get them to order it removed is mentally unstable and needs to be kicked off the plane for safety reasons!

Thanks for opening my eyes Tesla!

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You do realize there are multiple examples of liberals getting kicked off of planes for throwing fits over some guys MAGA hat or Trump shirt.

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Throwing a fit is not the same as making a complaint and being determined mentally unfit to fly. You say you can read simple language. Prove it.

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Thank you for today! This has been quite entertaining!

Also, you seem like guy that swears loudly in public around kids and gets all "America bro, come at me" unstable when politely asked to keep it down.

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We had moved beyond the vulgarity. Tesla then decided to move the goal posts and bring that back in since his safety argument was illogical. My original response to you was the wearing of a MAGA hat that was deemed offensive because of "safety", which you interjected into the convo.

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

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If he feels like you're causing a disturbance on his flight. Of course. This isn't hard.

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That position is weapons grade dumb. If you would think about it for just a tiny bit, you'd understand that. But perhaps not.

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It's their plane, they can enforce the rules in the contract their customers agree to however they'd like. If someone has an anti Trump hat and a passenger complained about it they'd be well within their rights to tell that passenger to take it off too. Don't like it? Rent a car. Or I'm sure Spirit wouldn't kind the extra business.

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Interpreting the safety section as he stated is as braindead as believing men can get pregnant. Can the airlines do it? of course. They just did. In no sane world should wearing a MAGA hat on a plane be considered a safety issue just because some low IQ idiot is offended by it. The fact that you believe it's justified shows just how insane this country has become. We cater to literal idiots and snowflakes now.

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Private companies can do whatever they want as long as it complies with the law. I agree whoever complained is a snowflake, but when they told him to take the hat off he had a choice - take it off or continue to be a attention *****, get off the plane and book another flight.

Pilot isn't going to risk an altercation in the air that forces them to land and inconvenience the other 100+ passengers.

Again, it's a valid safety argument if the PIC determines it's a threat to safety. That's the part you don't get.

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The problem is that airplanes are unique environments. Seemingly simple things can become big issues at 35,000 feet in an aluminum tube traveling 500mph. You can't take a chance on a Waffle House brawl over a hat or shirt in those conditions. So as a pilot you take no chances.

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Then when red hat wearing fella makes the same request about what he is requesting to be removed then the same "No Chances" taken approach should be used, correct?

There was zero part of this that was about safety.

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Again, it's a valid safety argument if the PIC determines it's a threat to safety. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, your safety argument is bunk. Had it been a true safety issue, the complainer should have been removed. That's the part you don't get.

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There was zero part of this that was about safety.

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It became about safety once cuss word hat wearing moron refused to follow flight attendant directions. If the FA can't trust you to follow the simple instruction to remove your hat then they do not trust you, nor should they, to follow directions in the rare event that an emergency occurs.

The fact that some of you think this is all a huge affront to conservative values is the most laughable thing I've seen on the internet this week.

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Delta only has to be "fair" in obeying laws respecting protected classes by law (sex, religion, race, etc).

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If you wanna say Delta can make decisions and not be fair then go for it. Delta just needs to say it and own the consequences. They will offer this red hat fella a free round trip ticket and all will be over.

Just saying these lib karens get away with all sorts of shat and I for one am sick of it. We have put up with your crap long enough and if I can't wear my hat then you can't wear yours.

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There was zero part of this that was about safety.

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There is also zero part about this that was about free speech. This was neither the time nor the place for it. If it was one passenger without children nearby then that's one thing. If it's multiple passengers and it is objectively something that reasonable people would find inappropriate, then in the interest of passenger harmony, then yes it could potentially be about safety during the flight.


What if there were a passenger on a flight that had a "Jesus Christ is an ass" hat? I'd be offended with that as well. You can think of a ton of examples "Legalize Pedophilia Now!" Epstein did nothing wrong, etc... I might have beer or two on a flight and wanna kick that guys ass.

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Again, it's a valid safety argument if the PIC determines it's a threat to safety. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, your safety argument is bunk. Had it been a true safety issue, the complainer should have been removed. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, it's not MY safety argument. It's the pilot's and only his matters.

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If you wanna say Delta can make decisions and not be fair then go for it. Delta just needs to say it and own the consequences. They will offer this red hat fella a free round trip ticket and all will be over.

Just saying these lib karens get away with all sorts of shat and I for one am sick of it. We have put up with your crap long enough and if I can't wear my hat then you can't wear yours.

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They aren't going to offer him anything. People get kicked off for vulgarities on planes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirRage/comments/qfmmln/delta_pilot_asks_passenger_to_remove_a_hat_with_a/

You seem to not understand it's pilot discretion and he's basically God on that plane.

Look, if there are a bunch of Longhorns on a flight and I'm wearing an Aggie hat and a bunch of them complained, if the stewardess asked me to remove it, I'd complain about it but I'd do it.

It's a private business and unless it's race, religion, etc... you have to comply no matter how ridiculous the request.

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so no one is allowed to have an opinion on it? what a weird position to take. we all know if he was tossing out a gay passenger that had a shirt on that said "I don't like ass, but my boyfriend does" he'd be suspended, doxed and the lead story.

Here's another one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/delta/comments/1f5sat3/dude_kicked_off_flight_bc_of_his_trump_shirt/

Had tshirt of trump shooting the finger. Told to take it off or turn it inside out. Dude turned it inside out and got on plane. Once on plane he turned it back out again. Kicked off plane.

Don't be dumb. It may not be "fair". You may not like it. But it's their plane, their rules. Obey or get the **** off.

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so no one is allowed to have an opinion on it? what a weird position to take. we all know if he was tossing out a gay passenger that had a shirt on that said "I don't like ass, but my boyfriend does" he'd be suspended, doxed and the lead story.

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No one said you can't have an opinion. You just can't have a seat on that particular pilot's aircraft.

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If you wanna say Delta can make decisions and not be fair then go for it. Delta just needs to say it and own the consequences. They will offer this red hat fella a free round trip ticket and all will be over.

Just saying these lib karens get away with all sorts of shat and I for one am sick of it. We have put up with your crap long enough and if I can't wear my hat then you can't wear yours.

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Please keep wearing your hat. I don't interact with people wearing political clothing in public be it left or right supporting. I've found that they're much more likely to be unstable hotheads that should be avoided.

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I might have beer or two on a flight and wanna kick that guys ass.

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Then you would be the problem.

My children are all grown now, but when we saw inappropriate things, it was a teaching moment to not give the offenders the attention they were desperately seeking.

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Wasn't seeking one. Was just criticizing how it was handled.

I was skimming through Delta's Contract of Carriage, and they can kick you off for bad body odor.

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Again, it's a valid safety argument if the PIC determines it's a threat to safety. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, your safety argument is bunk. Had it been a true safety issue, the complainer should have been removed. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, it's not MY safety argument. It's the pilot's and only his matters.

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It absolutely is YOUR argument. You literally said there could be an incident at 35k to justify removing the hat guy. Which is not logical. If you get a complaint like that, and you believe you have to remove the hat guy to avoid an incident, and not the guy complaining, then your thought process is at the level of a 3rd grader. If you truly believe there could be an incident by doing nothing, then removing the complainer is the only way to ensure nothing happens, between the complainer/hat guy or between the complainer/someone else. By making it a safety issue, you are presuming the complainer is willing to cause an incident at 35k, regardless of why. Yet you chose to leave him on the plane.

https://www.travelandleisureasia.com/in/news/delta-air-lines-atlanta-new-delhi-direct-flight/

Then these flights should be empty

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It became about safety once cuss word hat wearing moron refused to follow flight attendant directions. If the FA can't trust you to follow the simple instruction to remove your hat then they do not trust you, nor should they, to follow directions in the rare event that an emergency occurs.

The fact that some of you think this is all a huge affront to conservative values is the most laughable thing I've seen on the internet this week.

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He was removed for wearing the hat. Your argument is like saying I got spanked for disobeying my parents instructions when they told me to not eat the cookies until after dinner. I ate the cookies before dinner. I got spanked for eating the cookies! There would be no instructions had he not worn the hat in the first place! Good grief!

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Again, it's a valid safety argument if the PIC determines it's a threat to safety. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, your safety argument is bunk. Had it been a true safety issue, the complainer should have been removed. That's the part you don't get.

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Again, it's not MY safety argument. It's the pilot's and only his matters.

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It absolutely is YOUR argument. You literally said there could be an incident at 35k to justify removing the hat guy. Which is not logical. If you get a complaint like that, and you believe you have to remove the hat guy to avoid an incident, and not the guy complaining, then your thought process is at the level of a 3rd grader. If you truly believe there could be an incident by doing nothing, then removing the complainer is the only way to ensure nothing happens, between the complainer/hat guy or between the complainer/someone else. By making it a safety issue, you are presuming the complainer is willing to cause an incident at 35k, regardless of why. Yet you chose to leave him on the plane.

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I was explaining to you the rationale they use in the decision making, not that it would be my decision. And again, hat guy wasn't removed to avoid a confrontation with the complainer. Hat guy was removed because he refused crew instruction. The crew decided it was easier for him to just store a hat, which is the easiest recourse for all. It's easier than moving the complainer to another seat. It's easier than removing the complainer.

You need to remember, Delta isn't in the business of providing a platform for people to express themselves. They really don't give a ****, nor should they. They are in the business of moving planes full of people from one point to another. That's it. They are going to default to the easiest and simplest course of action.

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This is patently false. He wore the hat on the plane and wasn't denied boarding or immediately kicked off. He was simply asked to store it. If he did so he's staying on the plane, even though he owned the hat, wore the hat, and held opinions supporting the hat. But he committed the cardinal sin of disobeying a crew member instruction. That will get you kicked off no matter what you do, period.

Some of the replies in this thread remind me of the drunk townies when I worked in BCS bars in college. "You cain't make me leave, this is a public place!"



*Spoiler Alert*

They were wrong.

Some posters are best ignored.

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He was removed for wearing the hat.

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This is patently false. He wore the hat on the plane and wasn't denied boarding or immediately kicked off. He was simply asked to store it. If he did so he's staying on the plane, even though he owned the hat, wore the hat, and held opinions supporting the hat. But he committed the cardinal sin of disobeying a crew member instruction. That will get you kicked off no matter what you do, period.

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It as absolutely true. He was removed for wearing the hat. The was the basis for the instruction. Your argument is illogical nonsense.

If he had stored the hat would he have been kicked off? Yes or no.

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If he had stored the hat would he have been kicked off? Yes or no.

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If he wore the hat would he had gotten kicked off? Yes or not?

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If he had stored the hat would he have been kicked off? Yes or no.

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If he wore the hat would he had gotten kicked off? Yes or not?

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No. He in fact wore the hat on the plane and wasn't kicked off.

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If he had stored the hat would he have been kicked off? Yes or no.

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If he wore the hat would he had gotten kicked off? Yes or not?

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No. He in fact wore the hat on the plane and wasn't kicked off.

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No one had complained at that point. LOL.

After the complaint, if he wore or displayed the hat, would he have been kicked off?

You're just trolling now.