Hagen95 said:

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It's the captain's plane. He should be able to remove you for whatever reason he feels necessary.

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This is true. If the captain even has a hint this might cause trouble once you're in the air, he has the right to do as he sees fit.

Then he needs to keep all screaming kids off the plane.

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The fact that we can freely use the word "ass" on this platform shows it's not vulgar

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So Jane's husband, Dick, is not vulgar either I guess!

Gunny456 said:

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Then he needs to keep all screaming kids off the plane.

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I'll vote for that!

Retired FBI Agent said:

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Filmed June 17, 2022, FYI.

Original YouTube: https://*******.com/5n7y27zw

OP I suggest you frame the discussion in your OP or Staff will take down your post.

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You can't do tiny url on TexAgs but it definitely had the feel of the power trippy flight attendant era during mid-late Covid.

Although, when the Flight Attendant showed up for the conversation, she actually seemed pretty chill.

I did laugh at the pilot (who was probably a BQ) saying that they/them were Ultra MAGA (might be true).

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Is the pilot a dude?

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He's a dude with fingernails, earings, and makeup who's clearly trying to be a woman.

The guy shouldn't have worn a hat with a vulgar word on it, but no doubt this crew is eaten up with TDS.

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I would have serious concerns about flying on a plane captained by a Pilot with mental health issues. There are multiple cases of these people crashing planes on purpose taking everyone out with them

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The fact that we can freely use the word "ass" on this platform shows it's not vulgar

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So Jane's husband, Dick, is not vulgar either I guess!

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The guy was looking for a confrontation with that hat. Liberals are insane. You wear something like that and you could be assaulted.

Having said that, hopefully he sues Delta and gets paid.

He won't get paid squat, unless it's go away money. The pilot has final say on who is allowed to fly. Making someone remove a hat the pilot deems offensive is within their wheelhouse.

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Flying is not a right and companies can put all sorts of rules to use their business. I would bet there are all sort of rules on the purchase of a ticket that a customer agrees to that he is aware.

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Absolutely right. Now the basis of him having to remove the hat was because another customer requested it. The stewardess asked the man to remove his hat based on another customer opinion and the way Delta decision makers made it sound is that a customer request takes priority for reasons of safety.

Bet your bottom donkey dollar that when I am walking down that isle, I have a problem with everything people are wearing and that flight isn't moving until everyone is naked. I mean since Delta is taking requests on removing clothing items based on requests....... That is how laughable the Delta argument is. "So you'll take that person's request serious and act on it, but not mine?" Racism/Ideololgicalism

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Hagen95 said:

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It's the captain's plane. He should be able to remove you for whatever reason he feels necessary.

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This is true. If the captain even has a hint this might cause trouble once you're in the air, he has the right to do as he sees fit.

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I don't disagree with that statement. What I DO disagree with is the captain's rationale with "safety" in his explanation to the passenger.

He essentially states that if the passenger does not comply with the instructions of the flight attendant, he is a risk and subject to removal. BUT...

How many times have we all seen passengers be told to put their phones on airplane mode and ignore that instruction? How many times have we seen passengers unbuckle their seat belts when the seatbelt light is illuminated? Both of those actions, which happen daily, have a greater impact on safety than a hat being worn at the gate.

Furthermore, I've NEVER seen a person in uniform asked to remove their hat. I've seen caps, toboggans, and many other pieces of headwear being worn throughout the flight without issue, INCLUDING BLM hats.

The direction from the flight attendant was political in nature, and that it the core issue that is being danced around.

HTownAg98 said:

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He won't get paid squat, unless it's go away money. The pilot has final say on who is allowed to fly. Making someone remove a hat the pilot deems offensive is within their wheelhouse.

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So if the pilot is offended by people wearing skirts, he can kick them off the plane?

There was a guy at IAH on Monday in Terminal E, older white dude, with a "F (spelled out) Israel tank top on, walking all slow and big daring someone to say something…. I wonder if he got on his flight like that.

No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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It's not obtuse at all. You clearly stated that its pilot discretion. So it's not pilot discretion or is it?

Seems that most are missing the fact that he removed the hat when asked, then put it right back on when the FA left

I assume it was the lack of compliance that caused problems, not the hat

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No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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Libs believe Trump is a fascist, literally the second coming of Hitler. Thus, if I wear a shirt with a NAZI symbol on it, that is no different than wearing a hat with MAGA on it. Per you, that is grounds for removal. Thanks for educating us.

He has the final say in enforcement of the contract of carriage.

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HTownAg98 said:

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No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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Libs believe Trump is a fascist, literally the second coming of Hitler. Thus, if I wear a shirt with a NAZI symbol on it, that is no different than wearing a hat with MAGA on it. Per you, that is grounds for removal. Thanks for educating us.

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Shall I send you a Jump to Conclusions Mat for Christmas this year?

The real story here is what kind of political dork purchases and wears in public a "Build back better my ass" hat?

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Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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Libs believe Trump is a fascist, literally the second coming of Hitler. Thus, if I wear a shirt with a NAZI symbol on it, that is no different than wearing a hat with MAGA on it. Per you, that is grounds for removal. Thanks for educating us.

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Shall I send you a Jump to Conclusions Mat for Christmas this year?

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You really can't defend your position and you know it.

Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

I think there's going to be a rash of these in the near future as reputable airlines try to make sure they don't become the new Spirit

Good Lord. Are we really trying to argue whether some moron got kicked off a plane for refusing to take off his hat with ass written on it.

1. Don't be asshat and try to wear a hat on a plane that says ass on it.
2. Obey flight attendant and captain instructions.
3. Airplanes are not free speech, "Im sorry, I thought this was America" zones. The pilot is the law.
4. Literally do anyone of the three above and you get to your destination.

What an idiot.

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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No, but you're making an obtuse case, and you know that. Every airline has a contract of carriage that applies to you when you buy a ticket, and nearly every one of them has a clause about lewd, obscene, or patently offensive behavior.

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Libs believe Trump is a fascist, literally the second coming of Hitler. Thus, if I wear a shirt with a NAZI symbol on it, that is no different than wearing a hat with MAGA on it. Per you, that is grounds for removal. Thanks for educating us.

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I propose you put this to the test. Next flight wear your MAGA shirt on the plane, 99.9% sure you'll be fine. If not raise hell.

In the return trip wear a nazi symbol shirt. Please film and report back to TexAgs your experience.

Not everything is conspiracy against the right. Sometimes dumasses just need to be reminded they're dumbasses.

Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

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If he feels like you're causing a disturbance on his flight. Of course. This isn't hard.

I would think that would fall under "patently offensive behavior", so yes. But that would be up to each airline to determine what "patently offensive behavior" is.

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Then he needs to keep all screaming kids off the plane.

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Move them to the overhead bins.

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I would think that would fall under "patently offensive behavior", so yes. But that would be up to each airline to determine what "patently offensive behavior" is.

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So the contract provision is completely arbitrary. Thus, a pilot could remove someone for a MAGA hat and that would be OK. You are bending yourself into a pretzel here to justify what you prefer.

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Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

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If he feels like you're causing a disturbance on his flight. Of course. This isn't hard.

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That position is weapons grade dumb. If you would think about it for just a tiny bit, you'd understand that. But perhaps not.

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Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

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If he feels like you're causing a disturbance on his flight. Of course. This isn't hard.

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That position is weapons grade stupid. If you would think about it for just a tiny bit, you'd understand that. But perhaps not.

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There's only one weapons grade stupid argument here, and it's not mine.

A pilot has the authority to remove any passenger from a plane if they pose a safety risk, including for disruptive behavior, non-compliance with safety instructions, or any action deemed a threat to the flight's safety. This broad authority, often referred to as "permissive refusal" under Section 44902(b) of the FAA regulations, ensures the pilot maintains the final say over the safe operation of the aircraft.

Non-Compliance: Failure to follow the instructions of flight attendants or the pilot, especially regarding safety procedures


Sir…. We've received some complaints that your hat is offensive, please remove it and place within your carry-on or in the overhead bin so we can take off.

Of course, right away.

Or…….

I'm sorry, I thought this was America and I don't have to do *****

Okay cool, get off my plane.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Seems that most are missing the fact that he removed the hat when asked, then put it right back on when the FA left

I assume it was the lack of compliance that caused problems, not the hat

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What an amazingly simple concept to understand.

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Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Sure I can. The pilot has the final say in enforcing the contract of carriage. It's that simple.

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OK, let me get your position straight here. If I wear a hat with a swastika on it, and the pilot chose to remove me for it, would that be legit per the contract?

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If he feels like you're causing a disturbance on his flight. Of course. This isn't hard.

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That position is weapons grade stupid. If you would think about it for just a tiny bit, you'd understand that. But perhaps not.

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There's only one weapons grade stupid argument here, and it's not mine.

A pilot has the authority to remove any passenger from a plane if they pose a safety risk, including for disruptive behavior, non-compliance with safety instructions, or any action deemed a threat to the flight's safety. This broad authority, often referred to as "permissive refusal" under Section 44902(b) of the FAA regulations, ensures the pilot maintains the final say over the safe operation of the aircraft.

Non-Compliance: Failure to follow the instructions of flight attendants or the pilot, especially regarding safety procedures


Sir…. We've received some complaints that your hat is offensive, please remove it and place within your carry-on or in the overhead bin so we can take off.

Of course, right away.

Or…….

I'm sorry, I thought this was America and I don't have to do *****

Okay cool, get off my plane.

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LOL. Only in the mind of a lib is the act of wearing a MAGA hat a safety issue on a plane! That section clearly doesn't apply to the passive act of boarding the plane with clothes someone finds offensive.

This is laughable:


Sir…. We've received some complaints that your hat is offensive, please remove it and place within your carry-on or in the overhead bin so we can take off.

Of course, right away.

Or…….

I'm sorry, I thought this was America and I don't have to do *****

Okay cool, get off my plane.

Logos Stick said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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I would think that would fall under "patently offensive behavior", so yes. But that would be up to each airline to determine what "patently offensive behavior" is.

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So the contract provision is completely arbitrary. Thus, a pilot could remove someone for a MAGA hat and that would be OK. You are bending yourself into a pretzel here to justify what you prefer.

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Of course it's arbitrary. It's written that way on purpose. For some reason, you think you have some right for people not to be offended by certain things. It could be a MAGA hat or a "Tuck Frump" t-shirt. Maybe they're snowflakes, but the pilot has the final say, and that may vary from flight to flight. That just falls into the "life isn't fair" category.