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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Turns out that you can look up degree plans yourself to see what students have to take and can choose to take. Here is the grades K-6 degree plan:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-prek-6-generalist/#programrequirementstext

and here is the early childhood degree plan (grades K-3):

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-early-childhood-3-certification/#programrequirementstext

The only place English 360 could count in the plans is in fulfilling the Language, Philosophy, and Culture requirement that all Texas A&M students have to fulfill. The list is of courses students can choose from for that requirement is here:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/general-information/university-core-curriculum/#language-philosophy-culture

English 360 is one of over 100 courses students can choose to take in that slot. So the upshot is that the College of Education gives credit for English 360 in their elementary education degree plans exactly like other majors across the university--the students can choose to take either it or one of 100+ other courses to fulfill a very broad requirement. The decision about which courses to include in that 100+ long list also is not made by individual colleges, it's ultimately a university-wide decision. Not gonna defend the content that was taught and I agree it would make sense for education students to be interested in a children's lit course, but a formal connection with teacher training or the College of Education is more remote than many seem to be assuming.

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It's not like I'm pulling stuff out of my butt. I do know what I'm talking about here.

Okay cool, so who do YOU think is taking that class which seems to me most clearly designed for those who will be using or teaching children's literature?

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Who wants Texas A&M to be called Groomer U?

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BQRyno said:

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Turns out that you can look up degree plans yourself to see what students have to take and can choose to take. Here is the grades K-6 degree plan:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-prek-6-generalist/#programrequirementstext

and here is the early childhood degree plan (grades K-3):

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-early-childhood-3-certification/#programrequirementstext

The only place English 360 could count in the plans is in fulfilling the Language, Philosophy, and Culture requirement that all Texas A&M students have to fulfill. The list is of courses students can choose from for that requirement is here:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/general-information/university-core-curriculum/#language-philosophy-culture

English 360 is one of over 100 courses students can choose to take in that slot. So the upshot is that the College of Education gives credit for English 360 in their elementary education degree plans exactly like other majors across the university--the students can choose to take either it or one of 100+ other courses to fulfill a very broad requirement. The decision about which courses to include in that 100+ long list also is not made by individual colleges, it's ultimately a university-wide decision. Not gonna defend the content that was taught and I agree it would make sense for education students to be interested in a children's lit course, but a formal connection with teacher training or the College of Education is more remote than many seem to be assuming.

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It's not like I'm pulling stuff out of my butt. I do know what I'm talking about here.

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Just so we are clear, you are ok with kids being taught about ******s, but you draw the line at adultery.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3544403/replies/70315345

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BQRyno said:

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Turns out that you can look up degree plans yourself to see what students have to take and can choose to take. Here is the grades K-6 degree plan:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-prek-6-generalist/#programrequirementstext

and here is the early childhood degree plan (grades K-3):

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-early-childhood-3-certification/#programrequirementstext

The only place English 360 could count in the plans is in fulfilling the Language, Philosophy, and Culture requirement that all Texas A&M students have to fulfill. The list is of courses students can choose from for that requirement is here:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/general-information/university-core-curriculum/#language-philosophy-culture

English 360 is one of over 100 courses students can choose to take in that slot. So the upshot is that the College of Education gives credit for English 360 in their elementary education degree plans exactly like other majors across the university--the students can choose to take either it or one of 100+ other courses to fulfill a very broad requirement. The decision about which courses to include in that 100+ long list also is not made by individual colleges, it's ultimately a university-wide decision. Not gonna defend the content that was taught and I agree it would make sense for education students to be interested in a children's lit course, but a formal connection with teacher training or the College of Education is more remote than many seem to be assuming.

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It's not like I'm pulling stuff out of my butt. I do know what I'm talking about here.

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Yeah. About that. You seem to believe it's acceptable to indoctrinate college students to provide degenerate books to children so kids will want to pull stuff out of their butts and worse. Such an enlightened, noble and normal requirement for college level studies you sanction and promote.

It consistently amazes me how hard the groomers will fight and how far they will go to justify their sick, perverted goal of grooming young children for underaged and unnatural sexual behavior. Truly incredible.

Between the Presidents executive order, the Governor, the Texas Senate, and the BOR

This curriculum and subject matter was to be scrubbed

This was not the 1st time Welsh had been told about this

He was told very publicly January 25 by Abbott



Welsh is a 4 star general that knows which way the creek flows, or should. You buck that you risk your position and also the funding of the University.

If you were Abbot, what would you think and do?

I've been out for a long time - so I might just not know if there is a procedure in place. Is there an outside or independent department dedicated to addressing a student complaint?

If a student has a disagreement with a professional, generally the role of the dean is to step in. The dean has to deal with the profs regularly (as well as massively increase workload/disruption if a prof is fired) which creates an incentive to side against the student. In addition the students are essentially powerless in this structure - as proven here. Was there somewhere else to go other than the president?

Having an outlet where the student is less likely to be labeled as a troublemaker would probably winnow out the ideologs.