Be honest, transparent, and don't promote circumventing the law...

What would that have looked like in this case? He fired the prof and denounced the instruction. What more would have been sufficient?

He took away the prof's position after initially blaming the student. Too little too late. And also, all he actually denounced was false advertising in the syllabus. Turns out most Aggies don't want our beloved institution telling soon-to-be teachers how to instruct k-3 kids about transgenderism regardless of whether that's in the syllabus.

It all comes down to the fact that he lied. If he had just been honest he probably would have survived this.

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So what should Welsh have done? What could he have done to not make forcible resigning necessary?

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Don't lie about when you found about this issue. That's number one by a mile. The other problem was telling the student, flat out, no one was getting fired, and that there were valid reasons for teaching transgender ideology in a children's lit class. All he needed to say was that they would look into it, but he didn't do that.

When you combine his comments in this matter with the Zoom meeting that he held after the legislative session, where he basically said that the only thing SB 17 did that affected A&M was requiring them to stop using the term DEI, but that they could keep on doing the same stuff that they had been doing, then that paints a picture of someone who is not committed to following the directives from the regents or the legislature.

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He will always be!

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Mrs. Welsh, is that you? That's the only way this isn't super weird.

OldJersey said:

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So what should Welsh have done? What could he have done to not make forcible resigning necessary?

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How about not being DEI dunce.

This whole thing is deeply embarrassing. God forbid a university serves as a place of differing opinions.

What he knew and when he knew it.

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This whole thing is deeply embarrassing. God forbid a university serves as a place of differing opinions.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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This whole thing is deeply embarrassing. God forbid a university serves as a place of differing opinions.

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So you are cool with grooming? Interesting

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This whole thing is deeply embarrassing. God forbid a university serves as a place of differing opinions.

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Differing opinions is not the issue. The state, through the Legislature, sets policy for all state schools. Acting within the bounds set by law, the regents then set policy for the system. If your opinion is that you want to teach in a way that is outside that policy, you will be fired, not for having a different opinion, but rather, for not doing your job.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

Can you refresh our memories on that

What's truly embarrassing is people not understanding what actually happened.

Yet continuing to carry the freight

Gov. Abbott and Lieutenant Dan got some flex via their appointed Regents.

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Its obvious you really don't get it do you.. read through a few of the post above explaining what he did and how it could affect not getting state and federal funds for the university- they didn't have a choice if they didn't want to possibly lose funding, the current state and federal administrations put laws in place on things he was asked to stop, he didn't do it, in fact in the videos we saw he said he wouldn't do what they wanted…. when the bosses say you can't do it and you do it anyways … well we just saw how that worked out. Abbott and Trump are in power whether people like it or not.. even if they didn't pass any laws, the governor, BOR, and chancellor are the guys boss, do what the boss says or take your risk of keeping your job… pretty common way things are done across the business world for years

Also they probably staved off a federal probe that could uncover god knows what… the easy way out is just ask the guy to move on… which is what they did

the lying to the university and treating the student like a piece of dirt probably didn't help his cause either.. these students recording things is not what a university would want but it's affective for showing what's going on. The guy was on video and it didn't match his story … not necessarily law breaking or anything but it's not the look you want from the top guy… young girl got them on video

And they used their lap dog Brian Harrison to do his duty.

Welsh did not change or adapt to SB17

(and Trump's return to the White House)

have to be smarter than that

We did it, guys! First Mike Stoops, and now Welsh.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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it was an engl 360 class, child literature ages 3-12, the syllabus and details have since been removed



8/12 books dealt specifically with trans characters

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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it was an engl 360 class, child literature ages 3-12, the syllabus and details have since been removed



8/12 books dealt specifically with trans characters

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The college of education shouldn't be giving elective credit for courses like that. Nor should tax dollars be used to provide financial aid for those courses.

Brian Harrison is a badass.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Yeah, it's not like I don't personally know a lot of the department that handles early childhood ed at A&M.

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Yeah, it's not like I don't personally know a lot of the department that handles early childhood ed at A&M.

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Totally explains it.

I am glad President Welsh resigned because lessons about sexuality and other woke agenda items should be banned from at least this university.

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Yeah, it's not like I don't personally know a lot of the department that handles early childhood ed at A&M.

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Can you ask them why our education system has declined dramatically over the last 5 decades even though cost per student has skyrocketed and if they think that instructing teachers to prioritize this woketard garbage with no purpose other than to sexually confuse children instead of the 3 Rs may be one of the root causes?

I'd love to hear their response.

I always assumed he was conservative. Guess I should have looked at his background.

Glad he is gone. We don't need anyone promoting or goal-tending for that crap.

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I am glad President Welsh resigned because lessons about sexuality and other woke agenda items should be banned from at least this university.

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You're going to be sad, then. You don't even need to look that far. ENGL 333 is going to disappoint you even though it's a totally legal and valid class to offer.

Groomers gonna groom.

It's in their nature.

Unnatural beings.

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Be honest, transparent, and don't promote circumventing the law...

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I have zero tolerance for training teachers to teach k-3 kids about transgenderism. That's not a matter of differing opinions. It's vile.

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Where is the rumor that this was a teacher training course coming from? The Ed dean has been pretty vocal that this had nothing to do with the College of Ed.

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Such a dishonest statement. Like we're to believe that the College of Education doesn't give elective credit for Children's Literature.

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Turns out that you can look up degree plans yourself to see what students have to take and can choose to take. Here is the grades K-6 degree plan:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-prek-6-generalist/#programrequirementstext

and here is the early childhood degree plan (grades K-3):

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/education-human-development/teaching-learning-culture/education-bs-early-childhood-3-certification/#programrequirementstext

The only place English 360 could count in the plans is in fulfilling the Language, Philosophy, and Culture requirement that all Texas A&M students have to fulfill. The list is of courses students can choose from for that requirement is here:

https://catalog.tamu.edu/undergraduate/general-information/university-core-curriculum/#language-philosophy-culture

English 360 is one of over 100 courses students can choose to take in that slot. So the upshot is that the College of Education gives credit for English 360 in their elementary education degree plans exactly like other majors across the university--the students can choose to take either it or one of 100+ other courses to fulfill a very broad requirement. The decision about which courses to include in that 100+ long list also is not made by individual colleges, it's ultimately a university-wide decision. Not gonna defend the content that was taught and I agree it would make sense for education students to be interested in a children's lit course, but a formal connection with teacher training or the College of Education is more remote than many seem to be assuming.