Really hard to believe you'll defend even this. Hard core dem all the way I guess. Sad.

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Oh my goodness, you want to be safe in the nation's capitol? How fascist of you! - Liberals

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"Women and minorities hardest hit!" - also liberals

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I thought sucker punching was equal opportunity.

DC is literally an outlier by definition. It's a federal district run by the government because it's the nation's capital. If you can't keep your own capital safe, then you have a major optics problem with the country as a whole.

And now we find out the local authorities have been lying about crime stats. Shock!

It's incredible that Democrats will argue against anything and everything that attempts to course correct blatantly bad outcomes because...fascism!!!

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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nm.

District of Chaos.

TexasAggiesWin said:

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Oh my goodness, you want to be safe in the nation's capitol? How fascist of you! - Liberals

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Especially when they're the ones doing most of the violence.

FlyRod said:

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/violent-crime-dc-hits-30-year-low

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If you don't report it, did it really happen?

blacksox said:

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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What power is he abusing?

also you are correct, in that violent crime was dropping from the 2000s onwards. That changed in 2020 with democrats rioting in the name of BLM, burning our cities, and democrat governors releasing criminals because BLM and COVID. A large number of Blue cities stopped reporting crimes to the FBI.

The people who suffered the most were black americans who faced the brunt of white liberal stupidity. I have no idea what DC is like, compared to before, but I the stats are pretty much garbage at this point. Thanks to the Democrats political agenda. YOU voted to make crime reporting a political instrument.

gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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We live in bizarre times. Left is right and right is left and ever between the two shall meet. That said, I don't think that a don't tread on me type cares. Our cities have been so mismanaged by cultural marxists that even the most ardent states' rights voter has no other choice.

Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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Was it martial law when Nancy Pelosi was going to call in the National Guard?
Or maybe you don't understand what martial law is.

FWIW, I don't think the National Guard should be called in to stop crimes. Let DC bear the brunt of what they have been voting for.

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Lots of crazies in DC

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Many of them in Congress.

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Is "Many" the new term for all?

Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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Yep. Lol crazy times. If we were not mad enough about the Patriot Act in 2001. Federalize the police but the NG is unessasary

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I'm not the US government invoking a never-before-used provision to commander a cities' police department while also calling in the NG for a city that isn't an outlier to other US cities?

I'm not the one trying to post propaganda on official government channels to support said farce.

There's been a sharp decline in crime, including murder, according to the FBI report from this very thread, from January. So is crime down or up? FBI says down? Tweet and trump say up? Where is the tweet data from? It's from the FBI too I assume? All I can do is assume. See the issue?

Are we taking over other cities with similar or worse crime stats? DC isn't an outlier, so I assume they're setting up this "emergency" to be the norm.

Any reasonable person would see the slippery, authoritarian slope, but not through red glasses.

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Well we never had a mandatory product Americans had to buy until Obamacare, or a 'green new deal' until the America Reinvests Act.

Bipartisanship isn't a thing any longer, in case you didn't notice since Obama was sworn in. I haven't seen actual sharp decline reports, and I guess you haven't either based on your links or lack thereof. Washington DC isn't an outlier, among Democrat plantation cities, but it is unique in its structure with the federal government having significant oversight vs. 'home rule.'

Glad to see a democrat at least wary, notionally, of a slippery slope toward authoritarianism though. Can't remember hearing anything about that from 2021-2024.

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I went to DC for a couple of days in May to visit a buddy who lives in the city. I walked about 1/2 mile from their house to the local supermarket and smelled a lot of weed but never felt unsafe. It was broad daylight but it wasn't really any different than walking a few blocks in Dallas or Houston. My buddy is black and the vast majority of people I saw were black but all we did was smile and say "hello" to each other.

In general cities in America elect Democrats to lead them and as a result they are **** holes. That's obviously because Republicans are racist. But my short stay didn't make me feel like DC is different than any other blue city. Democrat leadership fails people everywhere, DC isn't unique in this regard.

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Dupont Circle?
Cleveland Park?

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Really hard to believe you'll defend even this. Hard core dem all the way I guess. Sad.

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274 homicides in one year.

in a city of less than a million people.

Carjackings have skyrocketed in D.C.:

2018: 148
2023: 957

That's a 547% increase.

But sure, let's entertain the idea 2023 was an outlier and compare to 2024, which Democrats love to point to:

497 carjackings in 2024 is still TRIPLE the number seen in 2018.

I am not a Dem but do have some concerns about stuff like this because Law Enforcement procedures and training and National Guard procedures and training have differences and nuances so questions I would have is What exactly is the role of the national Guard? Is it just an extra 'show of force' thing driving and standing around a bit? Or are they actually involved with 911 calls, operating check points, pulling 'suspicious' people over, etc? I could see cases where this kind of thing could go really wrong. Optimally, seems if a crime levels an issue then need to organically grow and adapt the DC Metro Police as necessary. National Guard not a good long term solution.

There's a reason Nancy wanted crew served weapons and concertina wire around the Capitol after the fedsurrection. It has a presence.

Of course, Democrats thought that was a swell idea at the time.

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I am not a Dem but do have some concerns about stuff like this because Law Enforcement procedures and training and National Guard procedures and training have differences and nuances so questions I would have is What exactly is the role of the national Guard?Is it just an extra 'show of force' thing driving and standing around a bit? Or are they actually involved with 911 calls, operating check points, pulling 'suspicious' people over, etc? I could see cases where this kind of thing could go really wrong. Optimally, seems if a crime levels an issue then need to organically grow and adapt the DC Metro Police as necessary. National Guard not a good long term solution.

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According to Trump, their role is to hit people who spit on them. They don't need to limit it to "hitting," either. According to the Trump, they can "do whatever the hell they want" to people who spit on them.

Very conservative. Very pro-liberty. Much Freedom.

Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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This right here, I'm word vomiting, but it boils down to this.


DC is not some out of control crime hole, so to use that as a reason to invoke these measures is straight authoritarian. This is just more shifting of the overton window.


Hopefully maga wakes up one day and sees wth is going on. I truly welcome the day we all turn collectively towards this lost admin and tell them to **** off.

Biden will fix it.

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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This right here, I'm word vomiting, but it boils down to this.


DC is not some out of control crime hole, so to use that as a reason to invoke these measures is straight authoritarian. This is just more shifting of the overton window.


Hopefully maga wakes up one day and sees wth is going on. I truly welcome the day we all turn collectively towards this lost admin and tell them to **** off.

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Have you or your family ever been a victim of a violent crime?

ETA: Are you ok with your Democrats being super soft on criminals, letting them right back out after victimizing an innocent?

Our city does not report speeding tickets to the state. Does not mean there are not any speeders. May be less than average or more than average. We don't know.

Do an ad campaign at the same time for DC citizens to file a report for any and all crimes. Something the city can't hide the stats. You will have stats of multiple crimes reported, very few arrests, and even less prosecuted. I assume the city only reports successfully prosecuted crime stats.. You can feel if a city is safe, and people know it is not.

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blacksox said:

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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What crime statistics would be of interest?

The murder rate in Washington, D.C. today is greater than Bogota, Mexico City, and more ⬇️

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN! pic.twitter.com/0L9SVfY1KG

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

I am interested in what crime data would be supportive of 'let's just let this thing keep going as-is.' I think this is 'change we can believe in.'

As I have family that live/work in the area, I admit to having a vested interest. Nothing is safe in town at this point, even at rush hour. It's absurd, and unacceptable, but that is what happens when Democrats run a city.

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This... isn't how statistics work or how this comparison would be done by an intellectually honest administration.

- is it 2024 or 2025
- if this is 2024 data ok
- that means crime is down 30% now
- oh that data is false? then where is this 2024 data from?
- no idea because no sources
- annualized? mid-year? Where did the other data come from?
- won't even get started on comparing 700k pop DC suburb to places like 8.8mil Bogota.. or simply ommited the other cities in the US more 'dangerous' than DC


They've invoked a never before used provision, related to emergencies, and they can't even give us numbers or what the emergency is? No data? Just stand at a podium and tell us the 'truth'.


But hey, maga loves them a good police state.

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Weird all these big cities in red states dont need the military, even though they are much more dangerous. Why is that I wonder?

AggieHammer2000 said:

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ETFan said:

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nortex97 said:

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blacksox said:

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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What crime statistics would be of interest?

The murder rate in Washington, D.C. today is greater than Bogota, Mexico City, and more ⬇️

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN! pic.twitter.com/0L9SVfY1KG

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

I am interested in what crime data would be supportive of 'let's just let this thing keep going as-is.' I think this is 'change we can believe in.'

As I have family that live/work in the area, I admit to having a vested interest. Nothing is safe in town at this point, even at rush hour. It's absurd, and unacceptable, but that is what happens when Democrats run a city.

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This... isn't how statistics work or how this comparison would be done by an intellectually honest administration.

- is it 2024 or 2025
- if this is 2024 data ok
- that means crime is down 30% now
- oh that data is false? then where is this 2024 data from?
- no idea because no sources
- annualized? mid-year? Where did the other data come from?
- won't even get started on comparing 700k pop DC suburb to places like 8.8mil Bogota.. or simply ommited the other cities in the US more 'dangerous' than DC


They've invoked a never before used provision, related to emergencies, and they can't even give us numbers or what the emergency is? No data? Just stand at a podium and tell us the 'truth'.


But hey, maga loves them a good police state.

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Weird all these big cities in red states dont need the military, even though they are much more dangerous. Why is that I wonder?

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You can't use the argument of "the city "needing" military force because crime!" as proof the city needs military force, in a thread arguing whether or not said city "needs" military force because of crime????


DC doesn't need military presence, that's the point?

Queso1 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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We live in bizarre times. Left is right and right is left and ever between the two shall meet. That said, I don't think that a don't tread on me type cares. Our cities have been so mismanaged by cultural marxists that even the most ardent states' rights voter has no other choice.

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Yet people keep moving to these "mismanaged" cities from rural areas? And they pay much more to do it. Why is that you think?

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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blacksox said:

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I am interested to see to crime statistics that would warrant a sudden federal takeover. I have a strong feeling they do not exist as violent crime rates have been dropping for decades now in big cities. I suspect this is just more buttering up the public to Trump's abuses of federal power,

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What crime statistics would be of interest?

The murder rate in Washington, D.C. today is greater than Bogota, Mexico City, and more ⬇️

MAKE D.C. SAFE AGAIN! pic.twitter.com/0L9SVfY1KG

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 11, 2025

I am interested in what crime data would be supportive of 'let's just let this thing keep going as-is.' I think this is 'change we can believe in.'

As I have family that live/work in the area, I admit to having a vested interest. Nothing is safe in town at this point, even at rush hour. It's absurd, and unacceptable, but that is what happens when Democrats run a city.

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This... isn't how statistics work or how this comparison would be done by an intellectually honest administration.

- is it 2024 or 2025
- if this is 2024 data ok
- that means crime is down 30% now
- oh that data is false? then where is this 2024 data from?
- no idea because no sources
- annualized? mid-year? Where did the other data come from?
- won't even get started on comparing 700k pop DC suburb to places like 8.8mil Bogota.. or simply ommited the other cities in the US more 'dangerous' than DC


They've invoked a never before used provision, related to emergencies, and they can't even give us numbers or what the emergency is? No data? Just stand at a podium and tell us the 'truth'.


But hey, maga loves them a good police state.

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Weird all these big cities in red states dont need the military, even though they are much more dangerous. Why is that I wonder?

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You can't use the argument of "the city "needing" military force because crime!" as proof the city needs military force, in a thread arguing whether or not said city "needs" military force because of crime????


DC doesn't need military presence, that's the point?

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I agree with you 100%.

The worst part is going to be when it works and it could’ve been stopped at any time but elected officials just didn’t do anything about it. Just like with the border. https://t.co/MeLWBuSGuZ

— Aetius (@AetiusRF) August 11, 2025

Yep, the real fear. The inmates (Dem plantation residents) realize how horrible democrats are for their own interests. Not just in DC, but nationwide.

Just imagine their horror if he fixes the DC public schools next.

You're watching way too much lib media. They DO need that kind of help. We can't have our nations capital be like it is. Put your dem bias and TDS aside for a while.

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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This right here, I'm word vomiting, but it boils down to this.


DC is not some out of control crime hole, so to use that as a reason to invoke these measures is straight authoritarian. This is just more shifting of the overton window.


Hopefully maga wakes up one day and sees wth is going on. I truly welcome the day we all turn collectively towards this lost admin and tell them to **** off.

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Have you or your family ever been a victim of a violent crime?

ETA: Are you ok with your Democrats being super soft on criminals, letting them right back out after victimizing an innocent?

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I knew someone would take me not wanting pseudo-martial law as me also not wanting cities to focus on reducing crime. That doesn't follow, at all, from my comments. It's a great example of a strawman if you'd like to link people here.

I think crime reduction should always be a priority. DC is also not extrainordianry right now as far as crime goes so... ? It's high, but "call in the national gaurd" high? Sure thing Jan.


The point is, maga is just open arms accepting the authoritarian takeover of the US. Simply because it's their party. Nothing about DC warrants the takeover of the police, literally unprecedented (that word we love...), or the assistance of the NG. Nothing.


This is setting the pieces for military abuse at best, martial law at worst. But hey, it's your "team" so screw integrity!

EDIT: Left out the story. Yes. Not to give away any identity, but a situation involving a stolen truck at shotgun-point, late night, big Texas city.

ETF fine with rampant homelessness and violence. Interesting. Part of big city life I guess.

Fixed, I think, I don't know.

He sure sounds truthful!

Kash Patel: "We are now able to report that the murder rate is on track to be the lowest in US history." (But I thought US cities are crime hellscapes? 🥴) pic.twitter.com/r4QbdG3mTX

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 11, 2025

Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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Do you know what "martial law" is? Beefed up security in an out of control violent democrat city is not "martial law".

We need to start being WAY tougher on violent criminals and also need to start filling asylums up. Many criminals and crazy mentally unstable leftists who support them who genuinely belong in institutions.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta give it to Trump, he may be the only person in history to convince the "don't tread on me" crowd to simp for martial law

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Do you know what "martial law" is? Beefed up security in an out of control violent democrat city is not "martial law".

We need to start being WAY tougher on violent criminals and also need to start filling asylums up. Many criminals and crazy mentally unstable leftists who support them who genuinely belong in institutions.

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History really is going to repeat. Holy *****