Make DC Safe Again

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Hullabaloonatic said:

nortex97 said:

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It's also hilarious that Trump pardoned 600+ violent offenders who participated in the Jan 6 riots. Like, how is DC safer with people who assaulted cops back on the streets?

Do you ever ask this question about other "violent" offenders being returned to the community on a daily basis? Or, are you only upset about who these people are?

Yes, I ask it about every convicted violent offender.

What violent offender(s), again, are you talking about? Trump only pardoned/commuted the (1,500 or so, not 600) non-violent ones, meaning there was no charge or enhancement for violence on their conviction in the kangaroo courts in DC. What is the recidivism rate/data you are concerned about as to those pardoned in DC?

I really don't think you are well-informed as to either (a) crime in DC, or (b) Trump's pardons based on your speculative input here. Surely if you are right though, at least one of the felons pardoned/commuted related to J6 has been arrested, if not convicted for violent crime in DC since Jan 20 of this year, right?

You are uninformed. The TOTAL convictions of Jan 6 was the roughly 1,500 people. He gave a blanket pardon to ALL OF THEM. You can read it yourself (here):
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Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I do hereby:

(a) commute the sentences of the following individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, to time served as of January 20, 2025:
Stewart Rhodes
Kelly Meggs
Kenneth Harrelson
Thomas Caldwell
Jessica Watkins
Roberto Minuta
Edward Vallejo
David Moerschel
Joseph Hackett
Ethan Nordean
Joseph Biggs
Zachary Rehl
Dominic Pezzola
Jeremy Bertino

(b) grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021;

The Attorney General shall administer and effectuate the immediate issuance of certificates of pardon to all individuals described in section (b) above, and shall ensure that all individuals convicted of offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, who are currently held in prison are released immediately. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.
I further direct the Attorney General to pursue dismissal with prejudice to the government of all pending indictments against individuals for their conduct related to the events at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. The Bureau of Prisons shall immediately implement all instructions from the Department of Justice regarding this directive.

Matthew Huttle, was recently shot and killed by law enforcement in Indiana during a traffic stop just days after receiving a pardon for his role in the Capitol riot. Huttle was previously charged with a littany of crimes (battery, DUI, child abuse, etc.)

Peter Schwartz, another pardoned individual, had a jaw-dropping criminal history of 38 prior convictions going back to 1991. He he assaulted police officers with pepper spray on Jan. 6.

David Daniel, who currently faces child pron charges, pled guilty to assaulting officers on Jan 6 and was pardoned for that crime.

Daniel Ball of Florida threw an "explosive device that detonated upon at least 25 officers" during the Capitol riot and has a previous charge of domestic violence.

Andrew Taake of Texas pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers with bear spray and a "metal whip" on Jan. 6.

I could go on. There are HUNDREDS of violent offenders on Jan 6 that had prior charges of violent offenses and Trump pardoned all of them (for their crimes on Jan 6).

You are literally the uniformed one.







So crime in Indiana counts as DC?

So that's the logic? I don't know who;s uninformed, but I can tell which poster is unable to comprehend the english language.


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93MarineHorn said:

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And most of the criminals are your party chief.

Donald Trump is literally a convicted felon lmao

LOL. Why isn't he in prison?

For classifying payments to a woman NOT as campaign expenses. That's some really evil stuff right there, sir.

That's a lot worse than spying on the opposition candidate, having a classified server in your bathroom, or showering with your teenage daughter while having the IQ of a potato.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

TDS truly will make liberals defend any heinous thing. Imagine defending thugs and crime. Imagine defending people ****ting in the street. Imagine defending rapists and murderers. Yet here we are.

Start a gofundme to keep the crime going.



Man, we are literally living among lunatics! Bill Clinton - and the lefties back then - were not lunatics. That's the last time the Democrat party was sane.

We need a national divorce.
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These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).
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Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).

I will give you partial credit that Trump commuted the sentence of some folks (likely around 6 or 12) who committed violent acts. The pleas were often to avoid enhanced sentences if they went to trial of course (including threats about 'terrorist' enhancements), but yes one used pepper spray etc.

I award zero credit though for your steadfast refusal to acknowledge not a single one of them has committed further acts of violence or non-violent crimes in DC, or to clarify what if any of your 'knowledge' of the area from folks who live there.

None of the violence/crime in DC this year is attributable to J6 pardon recipients, or for that matter Trump supporters to my knowledge. I am again glad the metro PD seems to be appreciative of Trump's acts, and the resources just starting to 'go after the bad guys.'
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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters Tuesday afternoon that "last night, approximately 850 officers and agents were surged across the city," adding that "they made a total of 23 arrests."

"These arrests consisted of homicide, firearms offenses, possession with intent to distribute narcotics, fare evasion, lewd acts, stalking, possession of a high-capacity magazine, fleeing to elude in a vehicle, no permits, driving under the influence, reckless driving and a bench warrant."

The status quo in the republic's federal district/capital should be intolerable to everyone, regardless of political affiliation.
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Worm turning?

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will25u said:

Worm turning?



Trump keeps winning, he has completely figured out politics and has rattled every DEM known to man.

I cannot believe how bad the Dems unraveled and fast. Loser stances on everything and the people have finally realized it to a degree.

People forget easily though so Vance/Rubio need to be ready for a fight but I see a blowout if the economy improves within a year and is rolling through 2027. That is the only issue Trump has not won on yet and he has to if he wants his legacy to be a lasting one.

And he has sucked with cutting spending, but that is also on congress, he learned that you cannot get everything you want, he basically had to take the bill as was presented.

Maybe that is why he is pushing redistricting and has 1.5 billion in the coffers for 2026, get more of a Majority and maybe we can cut more spending after, that is my hope at least. Vance should take the lead on that.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).

You think the crime stats in DC in the last 4 years are because of the Jan 6 protestors?
What has that to do with anything in this thread?

"Crime is down". But the murder rate is up
"But the crime rate is down" . Yes from historically high numbers. Congratulations?
Oh and Trump freed J6 prisoners.
The Democrat talking points are obtuse.

When even MSNBC realizes how obtuse they are, it's time to move on.
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nortex97 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).

I will give you partial credit that Trump commuted the sentence of some folks (likely around 6 or 12) who committed violent acts. The pleas were often to avoid enhanced sentences if they went to trial of course (including threats about 'terrorist' enhancements), but yes one used pepper spray etc.

I award zero credit though for your steadfast refusal to acknowledge not a single one of them has committed further acts of violence or non-violent crimes in DC, or to clarify what if any of your 'knowledge' of the area from folks who live there.

None of the violence/crime in DC this year is attributable to J6 pardon recipients, or for that matter Trump supporters to my knowledge. I am again glad the metro PD seems to be appreciative of Trump's acts, and the resources just starting to 'go after the bad guys.'
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White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters Tuesday afternoon that "last night, approximately 850 officers and agents were surged across the city," adding that "they made a total of 23 arrests."

"These arrests consisted of homicide, firearms offenses, possession with intent to distribute narcotics, fare evasion, lewd acts, stalking, possession of a high-capacity magazine, fleeing to elude in a vehicle, no permits, driving under the influence, reckless driving and a bench warrant."

The status quo in the republic's federal district/capital should be intolerable to everyone, regardless of political affiliation.

1. No, you're just so wrong on this....HUNDREDS of J6ers were charged with committing acts of violence. They're public record here. You can filter them for 'Violent/Assault' and you get 418 cases. Another 56 for 'Property Destruction' and another 50 for 'Conspiracy'. Trump didn't pardon just '6 or 12' - he pardoned ALL OF THEM except for the 14 people he listed for reasons unknown. Just read the official White House release.

2. I'm incredulous at the argument that because people who were arrested for violent crime in DC and where since pardoned but have not yet committed further crime SPECIFICALLY IN DC is somehow a coherent argument.

I say "if Trump truly cared about crime in DC, why did he pardon DC Criminals?" and your retort is "well did they do it again in DC?!" Like...you don't see how insane you sound? That same logic could then be applied to literally ANY criminal. Let's just let all violent criminals go and see if they do it again!
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Dang... thought Crissy Mathews kicked the bucket a few years ago.

Did someone at msnbc break open one of those glass faced alarms that state "Break Only in Case of An Emergency?"
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You just started a written sentence with the word "like." I didn't bring up the J6 pardons in conjunction with the topic and crime in DC, you did. I just assumed you had a data point to support the reference.

I'm done here, have a nice day.
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deddog said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).

You think the crime stats in DC in the last 4 years are because of the Jan 6 protestors?
What has that to do with anything in this thread?


"Crime is down". But the murder rate is up
"But the crime rate is down" . Yes from historically high numbers. Congratulations?
Oh and Trump freed J6 prisoners.
The Democrat talking points are obtuse.

When even MSNBC realizes how obtuse they are, it's time to move on.


No, I'm saying if Trump cared about crime in DC why did he release hundreds of DC criminals as one of his first official acts in office?

Because he doesn't care. He's pressing every button to distract from the Epstein files fiasco at best, or trying to normalize civilian military occupation at worst. 'Fixing crime' in the Capital is not his goal. How do I know? Because a couple months ago he praised the DC violent crime rate.
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nortex97 said:

You just started a written sentence with the word "like." I didn't bring up the J6 pardons in conjunction with the topic and crime in DC, you did. I just assumed you had a data point to support the reference.

I'm done here, have a nice day.

....you don't see the blatant hypocrisy? Trump is proclaiming to 'liberate DC' from violent criminals after he pardoned hundreds of violent DC criminals.

And I'm sorry I used the word 'like' to begin 1 of my sentences. Truly egregious behavior on my part. I hope you are able to heal.

Also, dont forget Trump pardoned violent criminals who attacked police.
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The democrats should definitely keep pounding J6. If you keep kicking and screaming about it, surely at some point everyday Americans will stop thinking you are crazed. Good plan!

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Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).

Baiting people, egging them on, and then declaring the Republic is at stake while locking them up, denying their constitutional and civil rights, assessing unusual punishment, putting together a kangaroo court complete with TV production staff while setting free the government plants is not the big win you think it is. America sees through it.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

nortex97 said:

You just started a written sentence with the word "like." I didn't bring up the J6 pardons in conjunction with the topic and crime in DC, you did. I just assumed you had a data point to support the reference.

I'm done here, have a nice day.

....you don't see the blatant hypocrisy? Trump is proclaiming to 'liberate DC' from violent criminals after he pardoned hundreds of violent DC criminals.

And I'm sorry I used the word 'like' to begin 1 of my sentences. Truly egregious behavior on my part. I hope you are able to heal.

Also, dont forget Trump pardoned violent criminals who attacked police.



I thought you libs didn't like whataboutism.

So because Trump pardoned a person you claim is violent, he should now allow current and future DC criminals to have free reign over DC?

I honestly would allow DC to burn to the ground with crime and violence if it were up to me. I don't care one iota for any lib who lives there - or anywhere else for that matter! You and your fellow libs want violent crime, you can have it. I would move every political appointed office out of the city and force the libs who work for the agencies to stay and work. You made your bed, lay in it!
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You have completely jumped the shark.
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Logos Stick said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

nortex97 said:

You just started a written sentence with the word "like." I didn't bring up the J6 pardons in conjunction with the topic and crime in DC, you did. I just assumed you had a data point to support the reference.

I'm done here, have a nice day.

....you don't see the blatant hypocrisy? Trump is proclaiming to 'liberate DC' from violent criminals after he pardoned hundreds of violent DC criminals.

And I'm sorry I used the word 'like' to begin 1 of my sentences. Truly egregious behavior on my part. I hope you are able to heal.

Also, dont forget Trump pardoned violent criminals who attacked police.



I thought you libs didn't like whataboutism.

So because Trump pardoned a person you claim is violent...


No no, I'm not making a claim....the DOJ made that claim which was supported by a jury of their peers.
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Quote:

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I thought you libs didn't like whataboutism.

So because Trump pardoned a person you claim is violent...


No no, I'm not making a claim....the DOJ made that claim which was supported by a jury of their peers.

You don't have an ounce of objectivity, do you?

I hope Jack Smith ends up in jail. I want to see you keep defending all of it.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Logos Stick said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

nortex97 said:

You just started a written sentence with the word "like." I didn't bring up the J6 pardons in conjunction with the topic and crime in DC, you did. I just assumed you had a data point to support the reference.

I'm done here, have a nice day.

....you don't see the blatant hypocrisy? Trump is proclaiming to 'liberate DC' from violent criminals after he pardoned hundreds of violent DC criminals.

And I'm sorry I used the word 'like' to begin 1 of my sentences. Truly egregious behavior on my part. I hope you are able to heal.

Also, dont forget Trump pardoned violent criminals who attacked police.



I thought you libs didn't like whataboutism.

So because Trump pardoned a person you claim is violent...


No no, I'm not making a claim....the DOJ made that claim which was supported by a jury of their peers.



A partisan DOJ to a DC court full of your fellow libs. I'm not surprised at all.

Please answer the question. So because that happened, Trump should ignore the crime spree in DC?
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Find it really interesting Hullabaloonatic is dying on this hill. What's insane about lowering the murder rate in the nation's capital when it's obviously the current DC mayor and MPC are both in way over their DEI hired heads.
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TDS causes people to do irrational things. Whatabouting all the way.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

You have completely jumped the shark.

I mean even MSNBC realizes the stupidity of their argument.

I've always said, it doesn't matter how stupid a democrat idea is, you will always find a liberal on Texags ready to defend it. TDS has completely broken people.
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The DC police department has been caught cooking the books on violent crime to make the city look better. Thats a fact Hiullabaloonatic.

These are the top 10 cities for homicide - rates per 100k - and I bet DC is even higher if not for the cooked books:

St. Louis, MO: ~69.4
Baltimore, MD: ~58.6
Memphis, TN: ~48.7
Detroit, MI: ~47.9
New Orleans, LA: ~40.6
Cleveland, OH: ~33.7
Las Vegas, NV: ~31.4
Kansas City, MO: ~31.2
Washington, D.C.: 27.3
Philadelphia, PA: ~20.1
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It does seem there are fewer F16 libs now that lots of funding has been slashed. Coincidence???
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deddog said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

You have completely jumped the shark.

I mean even MSNBC realizes the stupidity of their argument.

I've always said, it doesn't matter how stupid a democrat idea is, you will always find a liberal on Texags ready to defend it. TDS has completely broken people.

Still waiting for a single democrat to condemn the Russia hoax or all the nefarious activities in our intelligence agencies. Obviously no one is ready to condemn the J6 sham yet. They just can't get enough lies.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

....there's a way to address city crime without deploying armed military personnel! It is very strange that MAGA has 0 qualms with what is a textbook authoritarian playcall.

And the Democrats that have been in charge of law enforcement in the district have had decades to address it and have utterly failed.

There comes a point where if the Democrats can't/refuse to take care of the problem, the feds should step in and do it for the. The district is federal land, they have every right to make sure district tourists, citizens, and property are protected.

All that whining about MAGA and Trump and authoritarianism rings incredibly hollow. I remember how Democrats during Covid wanted millions of Americans to lose their job, access to medical treatment, placed in an interrment camp, and have their kids taken away. Now that's authoritarian.
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Don't forget coordinated with big tech and corporate media to censor any dissent gov't orthodoxy.
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Ag87H2O said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

....there's a way to address city crime without deploying armed military personnel! It is very strange that MAGA has 0 qualms with what is a textbook authoritarian playcall.

And the Democrats that have been in charge of law enforcement in the district have had decades to address it and have utterly failed.

There comes a point where if the Democrats can't/refuse to take care of the problem, the feds should step in and do it for the. The district is federal land, they have every right to make sure district tourists, citizens, and property are protected.

All that whining about MAGA and Trump and authoritarianism rings incredibly hollow. I remember how Democrats during Covid wanted millions of Americans to lose their job, access to medical treatment, placed in an interrment camp, and have their kids taken away. Now that's authoritarian.


I didn't see his post, but why is it authoritarian?

If Trump had a federal police force - not the NG - and deployed them would that also be authoritarian?

So deploying armed law enforcement in general is "authoritarian"? Or just the NG?

These NG folks have POLICE on their vests. They are not in military gear. They are in a policing role, not a military role.
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Proposition Joe said:

It seems like from reading this thread and the number of people who visited and didn't see any major issues that D.C. is overrun much like these forums claim Seattle is overrun.

There's no doubt that these cities have lost much of their former luster - there is absolutely and drug and/or homeless problem and it's absolutely destroying the beauty of many of these cities (and is coming for yours next).

But the hyperbole of many about these cities being lost and too dangerous to visit is tiresome. If you're scared to visit Seattle, you probably are better suited never leaving your house.

Says the guy totally rattled by a stranger walking 6 feet away on a bike path. Because of Covid. LOL....
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Hullabaloonatic said:

These are all people who COMITTED VIOLENT CRIME IN DC...like what are you talking about?

He also seemed to think Trump never pardoned any violent offender (which I demonstrably proved was false).


I award a yellow card for simultaneously arguing that violent crime is and isn't a problem in DC. Please do not pass go, do NOT collect $200. Especially in DC because you will get mugged.
The preeminent authority on Texags debates.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

will25u said:

What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

The National Guard deployed in DC are not armed.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/13/dc-national-guard-washington-streets-weapons/85644320007/




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Logos Stick said:

Ag87H2O said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

....there's a way to address city crime without deploying armed military personnel! It is very strange that MAGA has 0 qualms with what is a textbook authoritarian playcall.

And the Democrats that have been in charge of law enforcement in the district have had decades to address it and have utterly failed.

There comes a point where if the Democrats can't/refuse to take care of the problem, the feds should step in and do it for the. The district is federal land, they have every right to make sure district tourists, citizens, and property are protected.

All that whining about MAGA and Trump and authoritarianism rings incredibly hollow. I remember how Democrats during Covid wanted millions of Americans to lose their job, access to medical treatment, placed in an interrment camp, and have their kids taken away. Now that's authoritarian.


I didn't see his post, but why is it authoritarian?

If Trump had a federal police force - not the NG - and deployed them would that also be authoritarian?

So deploying armed law enforcement in general is "authoritarian"? Or just the NG?

These NG folks have POLICE on their vests. They are not in military gear. They are in a policing role, not a military role.

Bottom line is that Trump is the one doing it and it is very likely to be successful and the left can't stand that he is right and they are wrong - again. Their incompetence gets exposed for the umpteenth time in the last six months.

So they whine and lose their minds about Trump being an authoritarian dictator trying to distract from their real motives, and they don't even know all the details of what he is proposing. Trump said it and wants it, so it must be evil.
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Alte Schule said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

will25u said:

What I don't understand is why we would not want our Capitol and D.C. to not be the most beautiful and inviting place for citizens and travelers?

Nothing says "WELCOME" more than armed military on every street corner

The National Guard deployed in DC are not armed.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/13/dc-national-guard-washington-streets-weapons/85644320007/







But they got legs!

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