austinAG90 said:

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There's no pretty sure about it. That's what did happen in 1987 but yell likes to post crap and insulted folks on here who lost loved ones last night.

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Then he should get the ban hammer. I received a ban for calling a poster an "idiot" but this cat is way over the top.

yell_on_6th st said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Look at his posting history since showing up in F16.

All of it is about blaming Trump/Republicans for the flood/deaths.

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BS

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Only BS I see is the factually incorrect BS you're spouting.

austinAG90 said:

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There's no pretty sure about it. That's what did happen in 1987 but yell likes to post crap and insulted folks on here who lost loved ones last night.

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And for those that think that the blame this time was due to not evacuating, many of those camp directors may have remembered that unsuccessful evac .

Deerdude said:

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austinAG90 said:

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There's no pretty sure about it. That's what did happen in 1987 but yell likes to post crap and insulted folks on here who lost loved ones last night.

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And for those that think that the blame this time was due to not evacuating, many of those camp directors may have remembered that unsuccessful evac .

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There is no blame to be placed anywhere except on being a human being. This is not the first time normalcy bias will cost lives and it won't be the last. We are cognitively hindered by that which we know. There were no warnings that could have been issued that night that would have lead to timely evacuation, regardless of the amount of acreage available and the elevations that would have left all campers alive. There was only a little bit of information available, generations of bias, and it was dark. Evacuating early with the 'risk' of it being nothing would have meant a lot of karens would be complaining about the hassle for their kids. With no real historical knowledge to work with, the urgency and magnitude of the situation could not have been realized until it was far too late.

We can blame everyone we want, but part of what makes this hard is that we all know damn well that we would have done the same.

Preparing for disaster and mitigating risks is required at all times. This will no doubt be a learning experience for everyone in Texas.

I rarely agree with you, but you are correct. The vast majority of people ignore weather warnings.

I know people in my area that ignore the sirens that warn us that rotation has been observed in the atmosphere and to take cover in case it goes vertical and a tornado develops. They do nothing.

If I hear those sirens, I go to the inside room away from outside walls and wait for the all clear. I'm probably one of a handful that does that out of 1000s. Of all the times I've done that, I've never been in a tornado. That's why people ignore them. 99.999999% of the time, nothing happens.

Deerdude said:

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austinAG90 said:

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There's no pretty sure about it. That's what did happen in 1987 but yell likes to post crap and insulted folks on here who lost loved ones last night.

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And for those that think that the blame this time was due to not evacuating, many of those camp directors may have remembered that unsuccessful evac .

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Good point.

As has been mentioned before (possibly in other threads), if you're in a flash flood warning area, you're not just thinking about the water level where you are, you're thinking about the roads around you and all the bridges and low-level crossings you'd have to drive across. There's not always a good way out.

I made the decision to stay put during a flood in another part of the state last year, and it turned out to be the right decision once I found out what happened nearby. But there's not always an obvious "right decision" when the situation is still developing.

Jugstore Cowboy said:

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Deerdude said:

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austinAG90 said:

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There's no pretty sure about it. That's what did happen in 1987 but yell likes to post crap and insulted folks on here who lost loved ones last night.

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And for those that think that the blame this time was due to not evacuating, many of those camp directors may have remembered that unsuccessful evac .

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you're thinking about the roads around you and all the bridges and low-level crossings you'd have to drive across. There's not always a good way out.

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This is what happened to me. I was in Burnet that weekend and while we weren't near a river or high water, all roads leading to and from the house were blocked by high water at the river crossings.

I found this contemporary account of the '87 flood and the bus getting washed away. According to this, the camp was aware of the flood threat and advised to not try to evacuate. I realize I'm being an armchair quarterback forty years after the fact, but they were better off staying put and being prepared to seek higher ground if needed. This happened because they were afraid of getting stranded.

https://www.weather.gov/ewx/wxevent-19870717

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The week preceding the 1987 Guadalupe River Flood more than 300 children from various churches were attending a church camp at the Pot O' Gold Ranch, which is located about two miles southwest of Comfort, Texas. The camp was scheduled to end later in the day on the July 17th, 1987, the day of the Guadalupe River Flood.

Law enforcement officials notified the camp around 2 AM and again around 6 AM of the flood wave coming down the Guadalupe River and to not try and cross the river. A decision was made to evacuate the children early to avoid being trapped at the camp. Around 745 AM a caravan of buses and a van left the camp. The buses and van encountered a flooded low water crossing on the Guadalupe River just outside the camp gate and decided to turn away and try an alternate route. The lead buses in the caravan successfully made the sharp turn to head a different direction. However the rapidly rising water from the river, now out of its banks, and the backwash from the convoy caused the last bus to stall and a van behind it to become stranded.

An attempt was made to evacuate the children off the bus and van, however as they were wading back to dry ground a wall of water, estimated to be as much as half a mile wide, rushed upon the campers. Although they tried to reach safety by forming a human chain, the rushing water scattered them. 39 teenagers and 4 adults were swept into the flood waters. 10 of the teenagers tragically drowned. The remaining 33 children and adults survived as a result of a series of rescues, including dramatic helicopter rescues of several clinging to tree tops, conducted by Texas DPS, the US Army's 507th Medical Division, and a local television news station from San Antonio, Texas.

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Nothing like using kids as your political props to protest climate change.


https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/camp-mystic-tragedy-sparks-protest-over-disaster-preparedness-rollbacks-hunt-texas-guadalupe-river-campers-deadly-flood-weather-counselors-children

https://wtop.com/dc/2025/07/climate-activists-rally-at-the-white-house-in-memory-of-those-lost-in-texas-floods/

P.H. Dexippus said:

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Nothing like using kids as your political props to protest climate change.


https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/camp-mystic-tragedy-sparks-protest-over-disaster-preparedness-rollbacks-hunt-texas-guadalupe-river-campers-deadly-flood-weather-counselors-children

https://wtop.com/dc/2025/07/climate-activists-rally-at-the-white-house-in-memory-of-those-lost-in-texas-floods/

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idiotic prog women have co-opted this tragedy and made it about themselves. Their histrionics know no bounds.

Oh, I bet the families are real happy about that.

That Samantha Gore woman is a real POS

Here we go with this crap


https://www.ksat.com/news/ksat-investigates/2025/07/28/kerrville-city-manager-referred-kristi-noem-as-basically-homeland-barbie-after-flooding-press-conference-texts-show/

KSAT and the other muck rakers asked for this information trying to analyze how the public officials responded, and here they report one guy in Kerrville shaded Kristin Norm with the same slur the Democrats use. Oooo, that's news.

That's huge news