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Independence Day is the perfect time to ask if you want independence from the two-party (some would say uniparty) system!

Should we create the America Party?

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 4, 2025

Political theater.

I can tell you results before anyone votes.

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But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

A vote for Ds or Rs is a vote for hanging our albatross of debt around the neck of our kids and grandkids


At least a vote for a 3rd party gives them a non zero chance

We know it's garunteed under the Rs or Ds

Mine is the only vote that counts.

jamey said:

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A vote for Ds or Rs is a vote for hanging our albatross of debt around the neck of our kids and grandkids


At least a vote for a 3rd party gives them a non zero chance

We know it's garunteed under the Rs or Ds

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What we know is a D is guaranteed to win if a fiscally conservative party breaks off from the Rs.

The America Party - Founded by a guy born in South Africa

Thank GOD for Elon Musk

Musk didn't change one vote for the OBBB, not sure how much real influence he has on a political level without aligning himself with Trump.

SA68AG said:

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jamey said:

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A vote for Ds or Rs is a vote for hanging our albatross of debt around the neck of our kids and grandkids


At least a vote for a 3rd party gives them a non zero chance

We know it's garunteed under the Rs or Ds

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What we know is a D is guaranteed to win if a fiscally conservative party breaks off from the Rs.

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It ends the same way whether it's R or D


Most other difference between the two will matter then, for those that think it matters now.

Fiscal conservativism is about 90% of what I care about.

People, who've never done a single thing in politics other than vote, want the American Party because they know that it will magically accomplish all that they want.

Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

pdc093 said:

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If fiscal responsibility is your benchmark then none of those are working.

Eso si, Que es said:

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I can tell you results before anyone votes.

90:10

But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

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They don't care.

They would rather give the Democrats power in perpetuity so they can feel better about themselves and virtue signal online. Then they'll whine that it is everyone else's fault.

KingofHazor said:

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People, who've never done a single thing in politics other than vote, want the American Party because they know that it will magically accomplish all that they want.

Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

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I believe Musk, some R congressman amd even Trump(accidentally) has awoken an awareness of our fiscal delusion

Today's world of politics is nothing like it was even 19 years ago. Trump himself saw the power of social media, podcasts..etc.

A third party doesn't need POTUS or even a majority. Just enough seats to affect change

Rapier108 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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I can tell you results before anyone votes.

90:10

But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

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They don't care.

They would rather give the Democrats power in perpetuity so they can feel better about themselves and virtue signal online. Then they'll whine that it is everyone else's fault.

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That's a a huge assumption.


You assume I see a damn bit of meaningful difference between your team and the democrats. Some are far too into the entertainment and your team vs my team BS

Im voting against fiscal catastrophe. That means no R or D votes. If it means Ds win seats, it doesn't change the end game so what's it matter

jamey said:

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KingofHazor said:

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People, who've never done a single thing in politics other than vote, want the American Party because they know that it will magically accomplish all that they want.

Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

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I believe Musk, some R congressman amd even Trump(accidentally) has awoken an awareness of our fiscal delusion

Today's world of politics is nothing like it was even 19 years ago. Trump himself saw the power of social media, podcasts..etc.

A third party doesn't need POTUS or even a majority. Just enough seats to affect change

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Third parties don't win seats except it rare, fluke circumstances.

They simply siphon off votes from either the Democrats or Republicans, giving the other party the ability to win a seat they otherwise had no chance to win.

Rapier108 said:

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jamey said:

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KingofHazor said:

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People, who've never done a single thing in politics other than vote, want the American Party because they know that it will magically accomplish all that they want.

Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

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I believe Musk, some R congressman amd even Trump(accidentally) has awoken an awareness of our fiscal delusion

Today's world of politics is nothing like it was even 19 years ago. Trump himself saw the power of social media, podcasts..etc.

A third party doesn't need POTUS or even a majority. Just enough seats to affect change

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Third parties don't win seats except it rare, fluke circumstances.

They simply siphon off votes from either the Democrats or Republicans, giving the other party the ability to win a seat they otherwise had no chance to win.

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Oh well, Im not voting to hang our financial albatross around my kids and grand kids neck

jamey said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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I can tell you results before anyone votes.

90:10

But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

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They don't care.

They would rather give the Democrats power in perpetuity so they can feel better about themselves and virtue signal online. Then they'll whine that it is everyone else's fault.

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That's a a huge assumption.


You assume I see a damn bit of meaningful difference between your team and the democrats. Some are far too into the entertainment and your team vs my team BS

Im voting against fiscal catastrophe. That means no R or D votes. If it means Ds win seats, it doesn't change the end game so what's it matter

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And there it is. Anyone with that attitude isn't worth even having a discussion with.

At best you're a liberal pretending; or exactly what I described above at worst.

Rapier108 said:

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jamey said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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I can tell you results before anyone votes.

90:10

But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

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They don't care.

They would rather give the Democrats power in perpetuity so they can feel better about themselves and virtue signal online. Then they'll whine that it is everyone else's fault.

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That's a a huge assumption.


You assume I see a damn bit of meaningful difference between your team and the democrats. Some are far too into the entertainment and your team vs my team BS

Im voting against fiscal catastrophe. That means no R or D votes. If it means Ds win seats, it doesn't change the end game so what's it matter

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And there it is. Anyone with that attitude isn't worth even having a discussion with.

At best you're a liberal pretending; or exactly what I described above at worst.

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Ive never voted anything but R or L

You probably think crap like a shemale reading hour at some random school in Connecticut is serious federal political stuff and rarely have talked about our fiscal situation over the last few decades

KingofHazor said:

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Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

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And yet, over the last several decades of trying to bring the GOP to the right, they've gone further to the left. Hell, the de facto head of the party is a fiscal liberal and the BuildBackBetter2 bill just was pushed, and passed.

Now, with the two parties you have the liberals and the Democrats (progressives). We're ****ed .

That's because no one's truly working at change.

The Dem's called their effort the "long march through the institutions" and it took them 60 years, arguably 100 years, to get where they are today.

Conservatives, and libertarians, in contrast, expect results in a year.

People like Jamey want results simply by going to the ballot box once every 4 years. Very few people are willing to work at changing the party at the local level, changing the colleges, and changing the media.

Very few people on this board aren't fiscal conservatives. But we can't change the status quo in the Rep party with quick, magic fixes.

BigRobSA said:

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KingofHazor said:

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Supporters of the American Party are delusional at the highest level. Change at a national scale takes hard work, and decades of it.

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And yet, over the last several decades of trying to bring the GOP to the right, they've gone further to the left. Hell, the de facto head of the party is a fiscal liberal and the BuildBackBetter2 bill just was pushed, and passed.

Now, with the two parties you have the liberals and the Democrats (progressives). We're ****ed .

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Exactly. The Rs have a few things worth supporting but in the grand scheme of things, it requires a vote for fiscal disaster.

The Rs just aren't worth it anymore. The choice with Ds and Rs is now death(D), or cake and death (R).

KingofHazor said:

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That's because no one's truly working at change.

The Dem's called their effort the "long march through the institutions" and it took them 60 years, arguably 100 years, to get where they are today.

Conservatives, and libertarians, in contrast, expect results in a year.

People like Jamey want results simply by going to the ballot box once every 4 years. Very few people are willing to work at changing the party at the local level, changing the colleges, and changing the media.

Very few people on this board aren't fiscal conservatives. But we can't change the status quo in the Rep party with quick, magic fixes.

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Very few people have time to do much else, especially those of us with a sick wife and an 8 yr. That's assuming you're right on what actually matters though. I think people flip a switch for simple crap. Hell, most people view politics as entertainment. Thats why it seems so hard and takes years, while actually losing ground. All that prideful work for what exactly? Rs need to think outside their box.


I disagree that most on this forum are fiscal conservatives. Based on the day to day subject matter over years, most care about social stuff far beyond fiscal matters.

Picard said:

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The America Party - Founded by a guy born in South Africa

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All the candidates will be Indians with H1B visas.

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I disagree that most on this forum are fiscal conservatives. Based on the day to day subject matter over years, most care about social stuff far beyond fiscal matters.

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I think you're wrong. Someone can believe that social stuff is important and also believe that fiscal matters are important.

But even if you're right, that's politics. No one issue is a winner. Successful candidates and parties have to build coalitions of people with disparate priorities. It's called "a big tent". Single issue candidates and parties are doomed to failure.

Rapier108 said:

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jamey said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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I can tell you results before anyone votes.

90:10

But the end result of this 3rd party would be dems win all national elections in perpetuity as MAGA (30%) votes R, Dems (50%) vote D, and 20% of current R vote moves to whatever this is.

I am all for a viable 3rd option but it can't be the fiscal conservatives leaving the social conservatives which hand the progressive idiots full control of everything.

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They don't care.

They would rather give the Democrats power in perpetuity so they can feel better about themselves and virtue signal online. Then they'll whine that it is everyone else's fault.

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That's a a huge assumption.


You assume I see a damn bit of meaningful difference between your team and the democrats. Some are far too into the entertainment and your team vs my team BS

Im voting against fiscal catastrophe. That means no R or D votes. If it means Ds win seats, it doesn't change the end game so what's it matter

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And there it is. Anyone with that attitude isn't worth even having a discussion with.

At best you're a liberal pretending; or exactly what I described above at worst.

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Ds would only win seats because of people like you who would rather vote GOP and keep doing the same thing we've done for decades. Once you realize your plan when extended over a long timeline is destined to fail the third party, now, has the opportunity to become the future second party.

Or at worst, the GOP realizes it's existence is being threatened so it makes changes to break from the uniparty dance.

The answer isn't to form a new party, but to target 2-5 RHINOs and about 5 Dems in purple districts. If we could successfully flip 3 of each to fiscally conservative Rs. then all other Rs and a bunch of Ds would follow suit.

Most members of Congress are sheep that only care about being reelected. If we showed them that their seats were in danger if they continued to vote for deficits, they'd flip in a heartbeat.

I think with Musks funding, social media and podcasts who are friends of Musk getting the word out, The America Party can take some seats.


They should throw in a pro legalization of weed stance to go along with the bad medicine news of their fiscally reality resulting resulting from decades of Ds and R control. Just speak the truth. The youth have a bigger stake in this than anyone. They need to understand the debt issue is on their shoulders even though it's not of their doing

Tax the crap out of it so legally produced weed is just under the street value and update as needed.

No. We don't need to split the conservative vote.

If Elon wants the dems to continue the destruction of America, he should start the American party.

jamey said:

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I think with Musks funding, social media and podcasts who are friends of Musk getting the word out, The America Party can take some seats...

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... away from republicans while leaving democrat seats untouched

KingofHazor said:

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That's because no one's truly working at change.

The Dem's called their effort the "long march through the institutions" and it took them 60 years, arguably 100 years, to get where they are today.

Conservatives, and libertarians, in contrast, expect results in a year.

People like Jamey want results simply by going to the ballot box once every 4 years. Very few people are willing to work at changing the party at the local level, changing the colleges, and changing the media.

Very few people on this board aren't fiscal conservatives. But we can't change the status quo in the Rep party with quick, magic fixes.

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Bull****

It most recently started with Ron Paul, whom I didn't get behind at first, but he was right and would have been VERY good - had he won.

We (actual conservatives) have been trying for decades to change the liberals in the GOP into a more conservative group. Every time the couple of conservatives in either part of Congress try, they get ridiculed for not following along with their liberal party-mates.

It's obvious that most on this board aren't fiscal conservatives by the rhetoric and excuses given. It's always "go with the liberal flow and we'll try later", just like with this idiotic BuildBackBetter2 bill.

"We know it sucks, but we have to do something .", just like the Democrats. I'm sure that, if they could, they'd also throw out the tried-and-true "Won't someone think of the children!?", also like their ideology-mates in the Dem party.

I voted for Trump because out of the 3 bigger parties, the Dems and Libertarians had moronic ****tards as candidates. Trump is also, just less so, and I wanted immigration laws followed again. I knew he was/is a fiscal liberal, but at least he's not a progressive. So, I wasted my vote on him.

Never again.

The GOP has abdicated its role as the fiscally conservative party. They're a slight tad to the right of the Democrats.

Rapier108 said:

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And there it is. Anyone with that attitude isn't worth even having a discussion with.

At best you're a liberal pretending; or exactly what I described above at worst.

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How long can Republicans hide behind - "if you don't go with us, you will get worse"?

We know the Dems will continue to blow out the debt, and the same seems to be true of the Reps.

Your logic puts no pressure on the party, its apparatus, and its candidates to get better. The only incentive is to be a little better than the dems.

"And there it is. Anyone with that your attitude isn't worth even having a discussion with." (see below)

I have always voted Rep, but truly the right needs to wake up and demand better, even if it causes us to lose in the short-term. I love much of what Trump is doing, but he is a coward where it comes to the debt, because taking that on will involve pain.

ETA - This is a discussion board, right? (second edit to be sure that everyone understands this is a sarcastic reflection of the quoted comment.)

I had voted R going back forever because they preached fiscal conservatism even though they failed, i kept buying but switched to Libertarian before the first Trump term. I got pulled back in to support the Rs this time around for 2 reasons.


Primarily Musk and Rogan podcasts with Trump convinced me he wasn't a fiscal clown. Secondly the Libertarians went off the deep end with their nominee so I supported Trump.


I hope Elon starts the America Party. I've had my fill the Rs. The fact that people including POTUS was attacking actual fiscal conservatives is all you need to know about what the R party doesn't stand for.

I blame the citizenry more than the politicians. Joe Shmo shouldn't vote if he doesn't have basic math skills to know this country is headed for a ditch unless we cut up the credit cards and we keep spending more and more.