I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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I was convinced Iran shouldn’t have nukes and that Israel should finish the job until I learned their total population.

Game changer.

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) June 18, 2025

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Tucker's remarks were nonsensical.

Bonchie pretty much sums it up.

My extremely skeptical side thinks Tucker is essentially a plant. His removal from Fox was fake to get "street cred" amongst onliners. I see him as the successor to Alex jones. An online agent provocateur if you will. He likely works on behest some three letter agency. He did go to the cia school and didn't quite make the cut. Shortly thereafter gets a lucrative media gig. I'm skeptical of him.

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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Literally nobody is talking about us getting into a war except the fear mongers that don't want to be in one. Being in a full on war with ground forces, etc is not the same as taking out some nuclear production bunkers. Nor does anyone really want part in establishing a new regime - leave that up to the people of Iran.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/18/iran-threatens-irreparable-damage-if-us-enters-israel-conflict.html

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KillerAg21 said:

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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Literally nobody is talking about us getting into a war except the fear mongers that don't want to be in one. Being in a full on war with ground forces, etc is not the same as taking out some nuclear production bunkers. Nor does anyone really want part in establishing a new regime - leave that up to the people of Iran.

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Bombing another country is an act of war, this is just semantics.

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Catholic organizations funded the facilitation of mass illegal immigration, which is far more harmful to the U.S. than anything AIPAC (your ridiculous boogeyman) has accomplished. Will you sit here and bash Catholics like you do the Jews?

I doubt it. But I'm sure you'll have some bull**** excuse queued up to defend your overt and misguided obsession with the Jews.

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Honestly its pretty funny watching this board, who I assume are all old enough to remember being fed lies about Iraqi WMDs, clamor for another ME conflict 20 years later because of "muh 2 weeks away from Nukes".

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Catholic organizations funded the facilitation of mass illegal immigration, which is far more harmful to the U.S. than anything AIPAC (your ridiculous boogeyman) has accomplished. Will you sit here and bash Catholics like you do the Jews?

I doubt it. But I'm sure you'll have some bull**** excuse queued up to defend your overt and misguided obsession with the Jews.

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If what you say is true about Catholic orgs, they deserve to be criticized. This is whattaboutism.

It is a fact that the Israel lobby has had major influence in our 30 year ME quagmire, and we should be wary of another conflict there.

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He's really telling his audience that BRICS is a military alliance. Thats so sad people swallow it up..

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I think I'm still waiting on the first demise of the petrodollar thread this year. They have started to blend together though now that we're on 15 or the like.

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Honestly its pretty funny watching this board, who I assume are all old enough to remember being fed lies about Iraqi WMDs, clamor for another ME conflict 20 years later because of "muh 2 weeks away from Nukes".

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It's pretty funny that you don't realize that this Middle East conflict has been ongoing since Iran-sponsored terrorist organizations paraglided into Israel on October 7 and massacred innocent people.

It's also pretty funny that you compare this conflict to Iraq when then dynamics of warfare are completely different than they were 20 years ago and Israel is carrying out the objectives.

But hey, I guess simple comparisons are all that some folks are able to comprehend.

"Surely things will be different this time around!"

Which ME conflict that we involved ourselves in has been beneficial to America? Has it been worth the $8T we've spent this century?

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Catholic organizations funded the facilitation of mass illegal immigration, which is far more harmful to the U.S. than anything AIPAC (your ridiculous boogeyman) has accomplished. Will you sit here and bash Catholics like you do the Jews?

I doubt it. But I'm sure you'll have some bull**** excuse queued up to defend your overt and misguided obsession with the Jews.

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If what you say is true about Catholic orgs, they deserve to be criticized. This is whattaboutism.

It is a fact that the Israel lobby has had major influence in our 30 year ME quagmire, and we should be wary of another conflict there.

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You have any evidence that lobbying by AIPAC has been responsible for our involvement in a single ME quagmire? Because all of those conflicts were heavily supported by the U.S. population at the time.

But hey, the pesky Jews must be up to something, using their money to control the world.

Antisemitism veiled as "just asking questions about this Jewish group" is still antisemitism.

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My extremely skeptical side thinks Tucker is essentially a plant. His removal from Fox was fake to get "street cred" amongst onliners. I see him as the successor to Alex jones. An online agent provocateur if you will. He likely works on behest some three letter agency. He did go to the cia school and didn't quite make the cut. Shortly thereafter gets a lucrative media gig. I'm skeptical of him.

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Totally reasonable to be skeptical of him.

People should be equally skeptical of Cruz, our government, the Iranian government, the Israeli government, etc.

I think it is odd that more people on here seem to be more concerned with Tucker's line of questioning than Cruz's response implying that we are currently engaged in an undeclared war. I think he should have known how many people are in Iran, but the point where he said, "we are carrying our military strikes today" and then immediately attempting to walk it back after Tucker called him on it was troublesome to me.

Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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It does. You should be considering the demographics big time after you over throw a government. We should have an idea of what's going to happen.

What if 20 million people head for the borders and become asylum seekers? What if there is another sect far more radical that assumes the void? What if the country descends into a multi facet civil war?

These things are largely driven by demographics. Any anyone deciding to overthrow a government (right or wrong) would be wise to know base things like how many people are there, what's their demographics etc etc.


It can also be true Tucker was playing beta gotcha games with a US senator and also looks like a fool.

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None of that matters. Only thing that matters is denying them a nuclear weapon.

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You have any evidence that lobbying by AIPAC has been responsible for our involvement in a single ME quagmire? Because all of those conflicts were heavily supported by the U.S. population at the time.

But hey, the pesky Jews must be up to something, using their money to control the world.

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I mean, we all know that Jews just throw money around without worrying about it. Amirite!?

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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You think it's pointless to destroy Iran's nuclear capability with precision air strikes?

You think that's a big pointless "war"?

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war.

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Super broad brush here. I would say very few people on the right are OK with a "pointless war."

Preventing Iran from a nuclear weapon is far from pointless, though I understand Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett tried their hardest to make it happen, so leftists want it. Leftists want anything that is bad for America. Further, dropping some bombs, or helping Israel as they drop bombs is not us going to war. Most of us don't want us going to war, but it is almost all marxists who are claiming otherwise.

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"Surely things will be different this time around!"

Which ME conflict that we involved ourselves in has been beneficial to America? Has it been worth the $8T we've spent this century?

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I don't know if it's been worth it because I don't have access to the counterfactual. For all I know, the world could've been far worse if we had done nothing. And you don't know either.

The fact still remains that this situation is not akin to those. We are not aiming for nation building. There is a threat to the security of Israel and the U.S., and we are allowing our ally to strategically and systematically dismantle and cripple that threat.

Nobody is going to run to the aid of Iran with the U.S. backing Israel. Peace through strength doesn't work if you're not willing to flex your strength on bad actors.

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/18/iran-threatens-irreparable-damage-if-us-enters-israel-conflict.html

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We should be terrified!

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Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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They are explicit about their motives. People like you are the ones that make up dumb **** about their scope of influence in an attempt to bolster your disdain for Israel and the Jews.

The fact that you probably couldn't name a single other interest group says it all about your motives, whether you're conscious of it or not.

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/18/iran-threatens-irreparable-damage-if-us-enters-israel-conflict.html

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We should be terrified!

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Iran is the guy in the pick up game talking non-stop trash despite getting blown by every possession and missing every shot they take.

Tucker, probably. pic.twitter.com/cEDMbijZzY

— George Wept (@GeorgeWept) June 18, 2025

Maybe this is why we are always in messes. People like you can only think about what's right in front of them and have zero ability to plan beyond the immediacy. Maybe this type of thinking "THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS…." Is why we were stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years then had a disastrous departure. Or why in Iraq we had revenge killing gangs roam about with little civil order. Or why in Iraq we let cities be taken and hardened like Fallujah.

We really really should be thinking of what's downstream. Destroying the nuclear sites is the easy part. How do you re enter an isolated country back into the global open world is a less easy.

"The Middle East has WMD's that we must apprehend and destroy trust me" - George Bush

"Iran is 3-5 months way from dozens to hundreds of nukes" - Netanyahu for like 30 years straight.

You don't think helping drop bombs on a sovereign nation in the middle of treaty talks is not an act of war? I will never quite understand how many mental hoops people have to go through to justify the government actions. America has been helping Israel commit a genocide, and they are helping and participating in Israel's proxy war with Iran who is backed by China.

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Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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They are explicit about their motives. People like you are the ones that make up dumb **** about their scope of influence in an attempt to bolster your disdain for Israel and the Jews.

The fact that you probably couldn't name a single other interest group says it all about your motives, whether you're conscious of it or not.

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Ad Hominem is not an argument, calm down. It is not antisemitic to question the motives of a lobby that prioritizes the interests of another country over America. You can't call me a racist anti semite and expect me to go along with another disastrous foreign war.

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"The Middle East has WMD's that we must apprehend and destroy trust me" - George Bush

"Iran is 3-5 months way from dozens to hundreds of nukes" - Netanyahu for like 30 years straight.

You don't think helping drop bombs on a sovereign nation in the middle of treaty talks is not an act of war? I will never quite understand how many mental hoops people have to go through to justify the government actions. America has been helping Israel commit a genocide, and they are helping and participating in Israel's proxy war with Iran who is backed by China.

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Why is Iran, by their own admission, enriching Uranium 300 feet below the surface in a hardened bunker?

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Oh please. If Israel truly wanted genocide, the Palestinians would have been a footnote in history 20 years ago.

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Maybe this is why we are always in messes. People like you can only think about what's right in front of them and have zero ability to plan beyond the immediacy. Maybe this type of thinking "THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS…." Is why we were stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years then had a disastrous departure. Or why in Iraq we had revenge killing gangs roam about with little civil order. Or why in Iraq we let cities be taken and hardened like Fallujah.

We really really should be thinking of what's downstream. Destroying the nuclear sites is the easy part. How do you re enter an isolated country back into the global open world is a less easy.

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Actually that's not how I think. Our problem wasn't war, it was always nation building. Lay waste. Do nothing after. If we destroy their nuclear sites and kill their leadership I'm fine with it. If they replace it with another program destroy that one too.

If we try to go in and establish democracy or put boots on the ground them I'm out.

The thing people are forgetting . One B2 sorti to level Fordow could completely destroy and end the Iranian nuclear program. Something the Israeli's cant currently do bc it is incased in cement 100 meters below the surface.

Tucker makes it sound like we're going to carpet bomb Terahn, then go in as a nation developer force. This is not the case. Also. If it wasnt for Israeli interaction, the mulahs would have had nuclear capabilities years ago, and they are psychotic enough to use it. Iran has also purposely gone around any provisions to prevent nuclear weapons development.

Last thing, Tucker is primarily an entertainer. Entertainers want buzz, and that's what he's getting.

My opinion, level Fordow, then let Israel do what they do. Like Ben Shapiro says, good cop / bad cop.

The goal is to remove nuclear capabilities, not regime change.

KillerAg21 said:

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I personally am shocked the people who voted for Trump because they didn't want to be involved in pointless wars are now ok with a pointless war. Tucker pointing that out would seem like a rallying call to conservatives. Especially because Cruz is a clown.

It's not MAGA without the military industrial complex though so it's on course. "We can't fix the domestic issues so let's go another 10 trillion in debt in the name of oil interests. "

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Damn, a bunker-buster costs $10 Trillion?!?! Maybe we should wait until they go on sale.

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Oh quit playing the victim, it is not antisemitic to question the motives a group that prioritizes the interests of Israel over Americans. If there was an IAPAC lobby in Israel, they'd be right to question its motives as well.

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They are explicit about their motives. People like you are the ones that make up dumb **** about their scope of influence in an attempt to bolster your disdain for Israel and the Jews.

The fact that you probably couldn't name a single other interest group says it all about your motives, whether you're conscious of it or not.

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Ad Hominem is not an argument, calm down. It is not antisemitic to question the motives of a lobby that prioritizes the interests of another country over America. You can't call me a racist anti semite and expect me to go along with another disastrous foreign war.

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What have I said that's not accurate? Do you not have a general disdain for Israel? Are you not implying that AIPAC is some subversive organization with ulterior motives?

You can hand wave it all you want, but the "just asking questions" crowd does nothing but peddle antisemitism. You can ask Candace Owen's about that one.

4th of July is coming up, I'm sure there is a BOGO!