I also don't buy the theory that they would develop a nuclear weapon only to secretly deploy it and set it off in a US city just to commit collective suicide. They want it for the same reason Pakistan did, as a deterrent.
Well, there's the rub.
Israel doesn't agree with you. Our government, even many in the democrat party, mostly do not agree with you.
They don't think this regime is afraid to commit collective suicide. That's the difference. If they were Russia, China, even North Korea or Pakistan, we wouldn't be as concerned because the doctrine of mutually assured destruction would apply to them.
It doesn't apply to Iran, per their own stated beliefs. And therein lies the problem.
Iran is in for their organic regime change thanks to Israel. BTW, Iran had a substantial Jewish Diaspora and a large Armenian Diaspora in Southwest Iran, all but vanished thanks to Komeini and the IR in Persia, not to mention all the people thrown of roof tops.
Interestingly, Iran currently has the largest population of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel. Granted, it isn't much - about 10k.
Got this from Wikipedia: In 1979, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a fatwa decreeing that the Jews were to be protected.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-11][11][/url] Nevertheless, emigration continued. At the time of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, 60,000 Jews lived in Iran.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-SCISelRel1986-12][12][/url] However, about 30,000 Jews left within several months of the revolution.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Iranian_Jews#cite_note-littman-2][2][/url]
BlackGold said:
All of these politicians are out of their depth on essentially all foreign issues. They think they know because they get to see intel we don't, but that shouldn't make you an expert on the subject. Ted knows the constitution and should stay in his lane. These politicians just say what they're paid to say on just about everything, especially ranking members and the other high profile ones.
Agreed. But will add that they're often out of their depth on most issues. The ones that talk about healthcare but have never been involved in the healthcare industry, or the ones that talk about infrastructure or engineering issues, but don't understand any of it. And of course, foreign policy. How many decades, lives, and money did we spend trying to spread "freedom and democracy" to places that simply don't understand it - only to see it all devolve.
So why is Iran diffusing uranium 300 feet below ground?
To make 1930's fiestaware?
To protect it from being bombed by Israel, I'd imagine.
Tell me, how is our intelligence network advanced enough for you to know those specific details about their uranium enrichment but not advanced enough to detect the final assembly, testing, or deployment of actual nuclear weapons? It's a silly talking point.
I've heard this track from several people... "They aren't developing a nuclear weapon, and they only are to defend themselves from Israel"
You're conflating nuclear energy with nuclear weapons. They are allowed to have a nuclear energy program. Bibi claims they have been working on a weapons program in secret. Our intelligence agencies say that's false. I honestly don't know who to believe, but I'd like to see some solid evidence that this threat is both real and imminent before we get dragged into another war. I feel like that's not asking too much.
I also don't buy the theory that they would develop a nuclear weapon only to secretly deploy it and set it off in a US city just to commit collective suicide. They want it for the same reason Pakistan did, as a deterrent.
Well, there's the rub.
Israel doesn't agree with you. Our government, even many in the democrat party, mostly do not agree with you.
They don't think this regime is afraid to commit collective suicide. That's the difference. If they were Russia, China, even North Korea or Pakistan, we wouldn't be as concerned because the doctrine of mutually assured destruction would apply to them.
It doesn't apply to Iran, per their own stated beliefs. And therein lies the problem.
Israel is wrong. So are many democrats and republicans. Is that so hard to believe? They were wrong about Iraq, and they are wrong about Iran. The fact that you agree with folks like Chuck Schumer and John Fetterman does not give your argument additional weight.
I also don't buy the theory that they would develop a nuclear weapon only to secretly deploy it and set it off in a US city just to commit collective suicide. They want it for the same reason Pakistan did, as a deterrent.
Well, there's the rub.
Israel doesn't agree with you. Our government, even many in the democrat party, mostly do not agree with you.
They don't think this regime is afraid to commit collective suicide. That's the difference. If they were Russia, China, even North Korea or Pakistan, we wouldn't be as concerned because the doctrine of mutually assured destruction would apply to them.
It doesn't apply to Iran, per their own stated beliefs. And therein lies the problem.
Israel is wrong. So are many democrats and republicans. Is that so hard to believe? They were wrong about Iraq, and they are wrong about Iran. The fact that you agree with folks like Chuck Schumer and John Fetterman does not give your argument additional weight.
The problem is that we've been sold on a narrative that a lot of people don't understand. We've been told Iran wants to wipe out all Jews - not true. There are thousands that live in Iran, there's a Fatwa that they must be protected, and there is even a reserved seat in Parliament for the Jewish community there.
We've been told Iran wants to bring about armageddon in order to bring the Messiah back - I have seen no evidence for this. Although I have seen this more from certain Christians.
We've been told Iran is years, months, weeks, days away from a nuke - without any evidence, and with our intelligence community saying quite the opposite.
We've been told that they want to set off a dirty bomb, or a nuke, in America. Again, no indication. This country just needs a constant enemy. For a while, after we left Afghanistan, I thought it was going to be China. And it still likely is China. But it seems as though we're going on another mid-East adventure in the mean time.
And just like the media helped manufacture consent for the war in Iraq, they're sorta doing the same now. By all accounts Israel attacked civilians in their homes while they were asleep to assassinate a few people, killed dozens of women and children in the process. And what we hear on the news is Israeli spokespersons talking about how Iran is committing war crimes by attacking their civilian populations. We're seeing pictures of the destruction in Israel, but none of the destruction in Iran. They're censoring any hits on military structures, and hiding any strikes on military targets, to make it seem as though Iran is only targeting cities. Nevermind the fact that their Mossad HQ, and IDF HQ, are in the middle of densely populated areas.
And all because Bibi is a master at manipulating us.
Not sure why Ted even considered doing this podcast right now. A waste of time but perhaps it was under the notion that 'all media is good media' in terms of attention.
Getting off Fox News was Tucker's downfall. He's had to resort to peddling increasingly nuttier ideas to stay in the public consciousness, and it's tarnished his brand. He has a lot of work to do to get normal people to take him seriously again.
But does he care if normal people take him seriously?
He's making money hand over fist doing what he's doing. Saying crazy things and being a mouthpiece for Qatar pays well.
I don't fault him for that, it's a free country and he's not breaking any laws. You just have to realize what he is and view his opinions through that lens. Same for any person you listen to.
Merits of the Iran issue aside, you can tell a lot about a person by how they react to the clip in the OP. If you think Carlson bested Cruz because he surprised him with some trivia, you aren't really a big thinker and are someone whose opinions shouldn't really be taken seriously. Liberals and the "conservative influencers" we're out there celebrating like Carlson just won the Lincoln Douglas debates
It really is sad how we have defaulted into a world where "gotcha" is celebrated by so many and no one cares to actually learn anything.
Holy crap, I haven't paid attention to Tucker since people stopped posting his clips here from fox news.
I knew he was sort of an idiot when he claimed that we should use government to force trucking companies not automate. I didn't know that he was a complete moron who is an embarrassment to conservatism and sanity. This dude is a joke.
What is funny is that HE published this clip, because he apparently thought this made him look good.
I used to love Tucker but the guy is nuttier than a fruitcake now. I think the Fox fallout completely wrecked him as a person. And I can't really blame him for that. He was ****ed over in that deal.
simpler explanation:
a decade ago he is on video calling for the destruction of the Islamic Republic.
a few years ago he began to receive payments from Qatar.
also, those who know him best like him the least-
he is the ultimate "whatever is best for Tucker" guy.
You're right about a certain group of. Christians. They always jump for more wars because they think it means the rapture is just around the corner. They will light the world aflame and get to their escape pods juuuuuust before it gets bad.
It does. You should be considering the demographics big time after you over throw a government. We should have an idea of what's going to happen.
What if 20 million people head for the borders and become asylum seekers? What if there is another sect far more radical that assumes the void? What if the country descends into a multi facet civil war?
These things are largely driven by demographics. Any anyone deciding to overthrow a government (right or wrong) would be wise to know base things like how many people are there, what's their demographics etc etc.
It can also be true Tucker was playing beta gotcha games with a US senator and also looks like a fool.
I used to love Tucker but the guy is nuttier than a fruitcake now. I think the Fox fallout completely wrecked him as a person. And I can't really blame him for that. He was ****ed over in that deal.
simpler explanation:
a decade ago he is on video calling for the destruction of the Islamic Republic.
a few years ago he began to receive payments from Qatar.
also, those who know him best like him the least-
he is the ultimate "whatever is best for Tucker" guy.
It's entirely possible he's shilling for Russia, or Qatar, or whoever. Though I very much doubt Qatar would do much to help Iran out, if you understand the geo/religious politics of the region.
However, there are a TON of previous "conservatives" from the Bush era that have changed their tune on foreign wars and adventures in nation building.
Candace Owens is another one that was very much Pro-war in Iraq, voted for Trump, but is now like "WTF" because like many conservatives they are realizing this is not what they voted for.
I used to love Tucker but the guy is nuttier than a fruitcake now. I think the Fox fallout completely wrecked him as a person. And I can't really blame him for that. He was ****ed over in that deal.
Yeah, he's really gone off the deep end with the whole foreign wars thing.
I like Tucker, Cruz and Trump. They don't have to agree with me or each other on every single thing. Iran must not be allowed to get a nuke! I'm assuming the intel on them is accurate but I haven't seen it. The intel on Iraaq having weapons of mass destruction was either non existent or bad.
Candace Owens is another one that was very much Pro-war in Iraq, voted for Trump, but is now like "WTF" because like many conservatives they are realizing this is not what they voted for.
given this is the exact stance Trump has always had on Iran, anyone that is "WTF" is their own fault.
owens has changed her tune because she hates the jews. there is no denying that at this point.
it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement was the irresistible allure of more war and regime change in the middle east
Candace Owens is another one that was very much Pro-war in Iraq, voted for Trump, but is now like "WTF" because like many conservatives they are realizing this is not what they voted for.
Candace Owens went insane and turned into a neo-Nazi psycho who hates Jews as much as Hitler did.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement
Candace Owens and Tucker are not "America First." They're not even united. They are Candace First and Tucker First.
Nice try.
I get that the left is completely united behind guys showering in teenaged girls' lockerrooms, crossdressing in the Army, allowing invaders to overrun the country, and against Americans' constitutional rights. We are not like you.
Candace Owens is another one that was very much Pro-war in Iraq, voted for Trump, but is now like "WTF" because like many conservatives they are realizing this is not what they voted for.
Candace Owens went insane and turned into a neo-Nazi psycho who hates Jews as much as Hitler did.
You can't be reasoned with. Candace Owens does not have a fraction of the hatred that Hitler had for the Jews. He wrote literal tomes about his hatred for the Jews, detailing his hatred and then rounded them up into concentration camps.
Candace has sad mean things on podcast interviews.
The Intel on Iran's program is vastly more through, vetted, and agreed upon by multiple institutions and experts than the thin weak allegations on Iraq's supposed program ever were.
We have rightly learned to be much more cautious and sure, but. I think it is pretty ridiculous to assert we are not fairly confident with good reason on the status of Iran's nuclear program.
The technical capabilities and the expertise and engineering and production capabilities have been available for decades. Iran had the resources and capability to design and build weapons, and in a much more modernized form than the giant weapons of 1940's and 1950's era.
It would be well within their technical capacity to build a atomic warheads that could be fitted to their larger ballistic missiles.
Iran was widely acknowledged by various sources to have enriched uranium to around 60% purity, which really is not difficult to enrich one more cycle to weapons grade in a few weeks given Iran had been acknowledged to be operating approximately 14000 centrifuges.
It was plausible they could have a testable warhead inside 3 months goven all of that if they chose to go all in. It is not that terribly difficult to do, unfortunately.
The only question was the Iranian internal calculations on the costs and benefits of making that final effort. What was their window of opportunity and what would be the costs of being an international pariah like North Korea versus a nuclear power in a volatile region with many valuable targets to credibly threaten as political leverage.
Iran played delaying games and brinksmanship games working towards the best opportunity to make the last undeniable leap of effort to making nuclear warheads. It seems the combination of their inflammatory rhetoric and overplaying their hand and not understanding how closely they were watched has resulted in them being stopped before they could go the last step.
Iran might have been bluffing or using inflammatory threatening rhetoric for only political purposes. But they very much close to having the actual nuclear threat to back up that rhetoric, unlike Iraq.
And, we have the real world example of North Korea to demonstrate it is technically possible for a small poor dictatorship to develop long range ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads. North Korea simply hasn't had the history of constant inflammatory and overtly threatening rhetoric and supporting constant active foreign terrorism on a large scale.
it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement was the irresistible allure of more war and regime change in the middle east
Having debates and disagreeing about policy decisions does not mean it's fractured. The most diverse view points are on the right and we frequently debate. It's OK.
Tucker is cringe, not sure why anybody still watches him. He's arrogant, smarmy, and relies on gotcha sound bites for hits and to stroke his ego. Don't really care if he's right or wrong. I think we can all decide for ourselves what position to take without his biased input.
I don't know how anyone could watch that interview and think Carlson is right in the head. He came across as unhinged, petty, and vindictive. His gotcha questions for Cruz were irrelevant to the bigger picture, and clearly asked to catch Cruz off guard. Not sure what's going on with him, but he lost a lot of respect in my mind for the way he carried himself in that interview.
it's so very american that the thing that fractured the america first movement
Candace Owens and Tucker are not "America First." They're not even united. They are Candace First and Tucker First.
Nice try.
I get that the left is completely united behind guys showering in teenaged girls' lockerrooms, crossdressing in the Army, allowing invaders to overrun the country, and against Americans' constitutional rights. We are not like you.
You mean they don't peddle the narratives from the intel agencies... I agree.
