Watched the whole thing for full context. Really incredible. Favorite part was hearing about how much poor Trump and Putin had to endure together in the whole Russia, Russia, Russia thing that evidently started in….<checks notes>…Hunter Biden's bathroom.

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Everyone on here worried about Russia, are not paying attention to the other large country that starts with the letter C and ends with the letter A. Russia hasn't been a threat since the 80s. The real threat comes feom the country that makes your TV, microwaves, cellphones, clothes, and oh by the way, the same country that gave us a pandemic. But by all means let's be afraid of little ol Russia.

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Croatia?

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WHOA! Is this being reported anywhere else?

🇺🇦 BREAKING: Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match.

This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is collapsing in real time. pic.twitter.com/cWE0m5be6s

— Cillian (@CilComLFC) February 28, 2025

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They could always borrow Al Green...calling for impeachment is his specialty.

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Zelenskyy has better approval ratings than Trump. I expect them to only go up after today.

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Everyone on here worried about Russia, are not paying attention to the other large country that starts with the letter C and ends with the letter A. Russia hasn't been a threat since the 80s. The real threat comes feom the country that makes your TV, microwaves, cellphones, clothes, and oh by the way, the same country that gave us a pandemic. But by all means let's be afraid of little ol Russia.

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Canadaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Adam Kinzinger, Alexander Vindman and Keith Olbermann…..that's who the war fanboys here stand with now. But the rest of us are anti American pro Putin scumbags.

oh look!

It's the President of Ukraine on a campaign trip with Democrat Governor Josh Shapiro (on Harris short list for VP) and democrat senator Bob Casey and democrat Rahm emanuel

in pennsylvania a few days before the national elections

Governor Shapiro (D-PA), we won’t forget when you campaigned w/ Zelensky in Pennsylvania.

We defeated Senator Bob Casey.

We’re coming for your seat, too — peacefully. pic.twitter.com/la8270lHsH

— ThePersistence (@ScottPresler) February 28, 2025

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Zelenskyy isn't very smart. His ego is going to get more of his countrymen and women killed for no reason. He can't possibly win the war. The US needs to discontinue any and all aid and assistance. Let Ukraine go it alone with/without europes help.

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Zelensky's ego?!?! He hardly got a word in while Trump is up there literally doing 6yr old 'imitation' voice repeating over and over "THANK ME! THANK ME! THANK ME!"

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If Ukraine is your Alamo, then go draw your line in the sand.

Zelensky seems wrapped in righteous indignation and the invasion he feels he is the center-point for the country. I do feel that he cares, but he's missing the bigger picture that there are no winners in this conflict. They can't expel Russia and even is Russia took Ukraine, they can't hold it. It would deplete the last of their forces, then it becomes Baghdad on a much bigger scale.

There's no winning this from either side.

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Maybe he'll be popular enough to allow an election.

Fun fact: Trump has been through 2 presidential elections since Z's election.

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It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.

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You talking about Iraq war in 2003?

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United States invaded Germany in 1918

United States invaded France in 1944 and Germany in 1945

United States invaded North Korea in 1951

United States invaded Vietnam in 1965

United States invaded Kuwait 1991

United States invade Iraq 2003

United States invaded Afghanistan 2001

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But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

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So Russia is bleeding out and running out of troops...but they're totally going to invade again and again unless the U.S. gives Ukraine everything they ask for. That makes no sense.

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Consider the source.

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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LOL...you leftists view morbidly obese ladies and psychotic men who want to cut their pen*ses off as "heroes". Not at all surprised the same group would consider this guy as such...

Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?

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Adam Kinzinger, Alexander Vindman and Keith Olbermann…..that's who the war fanboys here stand with now. But the rest of us are anti American pro Putin scumbags.

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If you care about US borders more than Ukrainian borders, you are clearly anti-American Putin Puppet (AAPP?).

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I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?

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Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.

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And Putin is?

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kicking the **** out of Ukraine.

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oh look!

It's the President of Ukraine on a campaign trip with Democrat Governor Josh Shapiro (on Harris short list for VP) and democrat senator Bob Casey and democrat Rahm emanuel

in pennsylvania a few days before the national elections

Governor Shapiro (D-PA), we won’t forget when you campaigned w/ Zelensky in Pennsylvania.

We defeated Senator Bob Casey.

We’re coming for your seat, too — peacefully. pic.twitter.com/la8270lHsH

— ThePersistence (@ScottPresler) February 28, 2025

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Did you forget about the time Zelenskyy met Trump at Trump Tower for a campaign photo op days before the 2024 election??

https://apnews.com/article/trump-zelenskyy-trump-tower-meeting-7c163eb5068c5003b219b6d524436517

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It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.

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You talking about Iraq war in 2003?

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United States invaded Germany in 1918

United States invaded France in 1944 and Germany in 1945

United States invaded North Korea in 1951

United States invaded Vietnam in 1965

United States invaded Kuwait 1991

United States invade Iraq 2003

United States invaded Afghanistan 2001

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Let's be clear - concerning 1918, 1944/5, and 1951 America entered the conflict that they didn't start. The first two were global wars.

You have a point with Vietnam, the false-flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin

Kuwait, again reacting to foreign advancement and the protection of oil resources

Iraq and Afghanistan - we had Osama in the Tora Bora mountains, on the run, and could have cut him off and ended this before it started.

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I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.

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I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.

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Zelenskyy needed security guarantees. Johnson already said there would be no new aid. This deal only offered vague details on how the US could recover its original investment. What about that makes Ukraine more secure? Russia has already violated two agreements, what on earth would make you think Putin would keep this deal backed by undeveloped mineral rights?

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After 3 years of this mess, it's clear that no matter what amount of money we send...it's not making Ukraine any more secure. At some point we have to think about our interests instead of being pushed for more and more and more.

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But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

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How many thousands more Ukrainian lives are you willing to lose staked on the belief that Russia is running out of the will (we know they won't run out of the bodies) to keep throwing people into the meatgrinder? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? Ukraine is running out of the will and the bodies, and they're relying on us to provide the equipment.

Forcing a peace deal to happen is the best thing for the Ukrainians whose lives would be lost (and, yes, also for the Russians whose lives would be lost, many of whom are fighting against their will or at least due to govt propaganda) AND it keeps us from spending our treasure on someone else's war.

And, frankly, further destabilization of Russia and forcing a closer relationship between it and China might be the worst possible outcome from this for our strategic interests.

Sit down, bus driver!

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And neither are you Jbob. Despite what Trump says, for three years Ukraine has held off the Russians, yes somewhat with US aid, but not solely. They've used limited resources well while Russia has thrown enormous resources at Ukraine and barely holds a quarter of the country.

And JD Vance needs to stay in his lane regarding press gangs in Ukraine rounding up soldiers. How many drafts have the Russians had in three years? They had to borrow conscripts from North Korea too.

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"SOMEWHAT" with US Aid??!?!

holy hell man, you call at LEAST $187 BILLION 'somewhat"

not to mention how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of military items we have shipped to Ukraine

thus depriving our other allies and the US Armed forces from it!

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Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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How much money should we give Zelenskyy? A man not qualified to run a kill aid stand..

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don't drink the kill aid

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Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.

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Trump and JD "eyeliner" Vance want to take all of Ukraine's minerals WITHOUT giving a security guarantee. When did the Republican Party become led by communists? This is embarrassing. Absolute lowest life forms are leading that party and our country.

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A few B61-11 bombs and we could have called it a day.

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We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

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"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

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WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

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Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

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Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

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What is "bad" exactly? If it is anything the DEMS believe, than yes I agree

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I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.

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I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.

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Zelenskyy needed security guarantees. Johnson already said there would be no new aid. This deal only offered vague details on how the US could recover its original investment. What about that makes Ukraine more secure? Russia has already violated two agreements, what on earth would make you think Putin would keep this deal backed by undeveloped mineral rights?

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After 3 years of this mess, it's clear that no matter what amount of money we send...it's not making Ukraine any more secure. At some point we have to think about our interests instead of being pushed for more and more and more.

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But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

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Forcing a peace deal to happen is the best thing for the Ukrainians whose lives would be lost (and, yes, also for the Russians whose lives would be lost, many of whom are fighting against their will or at least due to govt propaganda) AND it keeps us from spending our treasure on someone else's war.

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OF COURSE, a peace deal is the best thing BUT WHAT SECURITY GUARANTEES IS THE UNITED STATES WILLING TO COMMIT? Because Russia has shown REPEATEDLY that they do not honor 'ceasefires.' Why would Zelensky capitulate to a peace deal he knows Russia won't honor, without the US and NATO allies pledging continued support should that breach happen?

Trump so far is only focused on 'repayment' of money already spent but has been completely unable or unwilling to commit to future support or protection.

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We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

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WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

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Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

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Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

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What is "bad" exactly? If it is anything the DEMS believe, than yes I agree

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It's genuinely baffling to me.

Does MAGA not understand why the US spent seven decades being more than happy that the other NATO nations weren't building massive militaries?

You can either have a world where you are the global hegemon and all your allies do what you say and are inextricably bound to your economy, or you can have a world where you demand Europe remilitarizes to "pay its way" only to discover it no longer feels obliged to follow your lead.

There are literally thousands of very interesting books written by extremely clever people from the 40s to the 00s explaining the rationale of this and why it was a conscious decision made by US strategic planners, and it's all falling apart because "We're being taken advantage of" is a convenient line to get some cheap votes from idiots.

I don't think any global power has ever undermined its own interests so comprehensively before, it's breath taking.

Zelensky is an entitled grifting twerp.

And Putin is a power hungry enemy of his own people.

We have no business taking sides in this.

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Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?

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Churchill? No not that he wouldn't be tempted but just not part of the British decorum.

De Gaulle OTOH, hell yes. De Gaulle was always a complete French jerk.

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The Ukrainian constitution requires elections be put on hold during wartime, apparently, as a wartime election would be of dubious legitimacy.

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So, he has an incentive to continue the war?