Jay@AgsReward.com said:

---

Again, completely naive to this board. Did not expect to be called an America hater! Was really just looking to see the reaction to the press conference. But, at this point, not sure I want to delete anything because then I will just be accused of hiding it. That is not something I am used to do either.

---

I believe your statement indicted people opposed to the war as being "pro Russia and pro Putin" which is not correct. People are allowing emotions to take control after your implication.
Everyone knows you are not an America hater.

rootube said:

---

Ellis Wyatt said:

---

Quote:

---

He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together

---

I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.

---

Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**.

---

I mean, did he though? He bilked a ton of money from US taxpayers, but Russia won't be leaving Ukraine.

Hullabaloonatic said:

---

mallen said:

---

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

---

We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

Quote:

---

"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

---

WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

---

Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

newbie11 said:

---

Zelenskyy isn't very smart. His ego is going to get more of his countrymen and women killed for no reason. He can't possibly win the war. The US needs to discontinue any and all aid and assistance. Let Ukraine go it alone with/without europes help.

---

For no reason??? Russia attacked their country and committed war crimes in the process. What better reason exists than to defend your country?

Other nations either fear the United States or mock us. There is no option to be liked.

Urban Ag said:

---

Hullabaloonatic said:

---

mallen said:

---

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

---

We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

Quote:

---

"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

---

WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

---

Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

---

Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

rootube said:

---

newbie11 said:

---

Zelenskyy isn't very smart. His ego is going to get more of his countrymen and women killed for no reason. He can't possibly win the war. The US needs to discontinue any and all aid and assistance. Let Ukraine go it alone with/without europes help.

---

For no reason??? Russia attacked their country and committed war crimes in the process. What better reason exists than to defend your country?

---

Maybe that's the next talking point? Ukraine is not a country?

rootube said:

---

Gigem314 said:

---

Quote:

---

I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.

---

I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.

---

Zelenskyy needed security guarantees. Johnson already said there would be no new aid. This deal only offered vague details on how the US could recover its original investment. What about that makes Ukraine more secure? Russia has already violated two agreements, what on earth would make you think Putin would keep this deal backed by undeveloped mineral rights?

---

After 3 years of this mess, it's clear that no matter what amount of money we send...it's not making Ukraine any more secure. At some point we have to think about our interests instead of being pushed for more and more and more.

Psycho Bunny said:

---

Teslag said:

---

Psycho Bunny said:

---

Anyone who supports Ukraine and supports Zalenskky go stand with the dems. It was Zalenskky who campaigned with the dems. So any Ag who says we need to stand with Ukraine and Zelenskky, you are a Democrat.

---

So you're saying we should stand with Russia?

---

ITS NOT OUR FIGHT.
F RUSSIA F UKRAINE.
LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT. So sick of the Ukraine flag waving morons that feel it's our problem. ITS NOT.

---

I don't agree with this take.

If you're telling me for roughly $150 billion we could decimate the Russian army and not lose a single American soldier, I think most would take that deal.

Quote:

---

You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

---

From the people who made it clear the past 4 years that no matter how bad something is, as long as Trump is being owned it must be good.

I just don't get all the vitriolic hatred for Zelensky. He's not as corrupt as Biden and not as evil as Putin. And he's not quite the narcissist as Trump is. He's the guy charged with looking out for his country. No, he's not perfect - nobody is. He's certainly made some blunders. But innocent people's lives are at stake in his country and he is trying. Hell, he's not even a professional politician.

You can not want to spend money on Ukraine and I respect that - "not our problem". But to actively side with Putin? That guy is a war criminal 100x worse than Z is.

Props to Trump though for making everyone uncomfortable and moving the needle...somewhere. Biden couldn't wake up long enough to care.

Jay@AgsReward.com said:

---

It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.

---

Lol you have got to be kidding me. This post is proof some people should not be allowed to vote

The American people have paid over a 100 billion helping Ukraine under Biden, a man we elected. Well guess what, we now elected Trump and want our money back or do not want to support them, what he ran on and what we want.

So take our terms or F off.

Thank you,

signed
Donald J. Trump- & the American people

Ellis Wyatt said:

---

rootube said:

---

Ellis Wyatt said:

---

Quote:

---

He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together

---

I hope he's searching real estate brochures for where he's going to spend his exile now.

---

Maybe. The last time the experts planned his exile he proceeded to whip Russia's a**.

---

I mean, did he though? He bilked a ton of money from US taxpayers, but Russia won't be leaving Ukraine.

---

Considering they were at the doorstep of the capital and now they are bogged down in a in the eastern edge of the country in a war that is going to ruin Russia. I'd say they are winning.

If we attacked Mexico and they pushed us back to the border and out of the "Gulf of America". And our economy was in ruins. Trust me, nobody would be claiming that we were winning the war.

'There was no promise not to enlarge NATO'
quote from the article

• "I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO," Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany's unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's justifications for invading Ukraine that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.

Gigem314 said:

---

rootube said:

---

Gigem314 said:

---

Quote:

---

I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.

---

I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.

---

Zelenskyy needed security guarantees. Johnson already said there would be no new aid. This deal only offered vague details on how the US could recover its original investment. What about that makes Ukraine more secure? Russia has already violated two agreements, what on earth would make you think Putin would keep this deal backed by undeveloped mineral rights?

---

After 3 years of this mess, it's clear that no matter what amount of money we send...it's not making Ukraine any more secure. At some point we have to think about our interests instead of being pushed for more and more and more.

---

But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

Who was more disrespectful, Mr Bean or Barney Frank before congress-- nipples protruding?

Why do you want the Russian military decimated? When did you expect them to be a problem for the US?

DTP02 said:

---

rootube said:

---

newbie11 said:

---

Zelenskyy isn't very smart. His ego is going to get more of his countrymen and women killed for no reason. He can't possibly win the war. The US needs to discontinue any and all aid and assistance. Let Ukraine go it alone with/without europes help.

---

For no reason??? Russia attacked their country and committed war crimes in the process. What better reason exists than to defend your country?

---

Who's saying he's wrong for defending his country?

He's wrong for not trying to do what he can to work a peace deal when the alternative is worse for Ukraine in terms of lives lost and very likely territory as well. Ukraine is running out of people willing to fight, and they're relying on other countries, the US specifically, for equipment to fight.

The Ukrainians have fought bravely and well… and are inevitably going to lose, and the loss is going to cost them much more than the peace deal will.

---

I guess we don't really know what the alternative is yet. If Ukraine collapses then it was a mistake. I'm not convinced that is a certain outcome.

Heineken-Ashi said:

---

Hullabaloonatic said:

---

Urban Ag said:

---

Hullabaloonatic said:

---

mallen said:

---

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

---

We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

Quote:

---

"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

---

WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

---

Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

---

Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

---

How bad is ending a war and saving taxpayer money?

Please tell me why that's so awful.

---

"Ending a war" is interesting phraseology for "surrendering to an enemy who invaded an allied nation".

93MarineHorn said:

---

For all you endless war proponents: Did you know there are many armed conflicts going on around the globe that involve one country occupying another's land? You don't care about the territorial integrity of the non-Uke "sovereign nations". The US should engage when it's of benefit to the US. If the Euros want to fund the perpetual stalemate then let them. We've given enough for a lost cause that has zero effect on us.

---

Maybe you should list them and I can tell you if I care or not.

Zelensky's approval rating about to explode?

Gigem314 said:

---

Quote:

---

But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

---

So Russia is bleeding out and running out of troops...but they're totally going to invade again and again unless the U.S. gives Ukraine everything they ask for. That makes no sense.

---

....THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT RUSSIA HAS DONE THE LAST 10 YEARS.

That MP has had a personal grudge against Zelensky for a while now. Not sure if that impeachment vote will go anywhere.

Yukon Cornelius said:

---

If we did would that make invading them, a sovereign nation, under 100% false pretenses and killing a million Iraqis better?

---

It might get you closer to at least being apples to oranges instead of apples to hand grenades.

aggiehawg said:

---

WHOA! Is this being reported anywhere else?

🇺🇦 BREAKING: Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match.

This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is collapsing in real time. pic.twitter.com/cWE0m5be6s

— Cillian (@CilComLFC) February 28, 2025

---

They could always borrow Al Green...calling for impeachment is his specialty.

BQ78 said:

---

Why do you want the Russian military decimated? When did you expect them to be a problem for the US?

---

Well it's a problem for Georgia and Moldova right now. If they succeed it's a problem for every other former Soviet block country. May as well settle it now with Ukrainian soldiers.