No matter what side you fall on,
to say that was a colossal blunder by Zelensky
would be an understatement.
to say that was a colossal blunder by Zelensky
would be an understatement.
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Sounds a lot like what we were using USAID funds for in Romania.Farmer_J said:
This is why zelensky won't have elections. The ukrainian government was handpicked by the u s state department after the c.I a overthrew the country.
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.AgGrad99 said:He did that all by his lonesome?rootube said:
He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together and they pushed the second largest military in the world back to the border and out of the Black Sea. Russia has lost this war already. Today we just aligned ourselves with the losers and against all of Europe and Ukraine. I'm also confident that China is happy to know that there is nothing stopping them from taking Taiwan.
Or did a very powerful ally save his bacon with money and equipment?
mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
This has 66 stars..... astounding
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malibucharles said:Zelensky is right, Putin cannot be trusted. Trump and Vance were wrong to humiliate him in world wide TV. They were terrible hosts. Putin is jumping with joy.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.z
This isnt a 'pick one or the other' situation. This isn't about siding with Putin or siding with Zelensky.
Both sides will need to agree to concessions. But right now, one side is aiming the guns at himself.
Mr.Bond said:mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
This has 66 stars..... astounding
Lots of soy boys post here unfortunately
RafterAg223 said:What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.AgGrad99 said:He did that all by his lonesome?rootube said:
He's a hero because when the entire western world was making plans to give Ukraine to Russia and was negotiating his exile. He held his country together and they pushed the second largest military in the world back to the border and out of the Black Sea. Russia has lost this war already. Today we just aligned ourselves with the losers and against all of Europe and Ukraine. I'm also confident that China is happy to know that there is nothing stopping them from taking Taiwan.
Or did a very powerful ally save his bacon with money and equipment?
It's too sad to be funny.
malibucharles said:Zelensky is right, Putin cannot be trusted. Trump and Vance were wrong to humiliate him in world wide TV. They were terrible hosts. Putin is jumping with joy.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.z
You're full of it. No American president, I don't care who it is, should bend over and kiss another leaders ass in the Oval Office. Trump didn't start that but he sure finished it.
Someone hates America and won't ever see a dime of my business.redcrayon said:Did you intend to post this from your business account??Jay@AgsReward.com said:
It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.
Rockdoc said:malibucharles said:Zelensky is right, Putin cannot be trusted. Trump and Vance were wrong to humiliate him in world wide TV. They were terrible hosts. Putin is jumping with joy.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.z
You're full of it. No American president, I don't care who it is, should bend over and kiss another leaders ass in the Oval Office. Trump didn't start that but he sure finished it.
infinity ag said:Jbob04 said:
Dude quit being so slow. Z went completely off script and Trump had to respond. If Z would have signed the deal like planned this wouldn't have happened.
Fighting in front of the cameras is dumb and unprofessional so stop justifying it.
If Z went off script, Trump could have said we disagree and held another meeting to hash it out.
Says who?
Why is it dumb to defend your country when an ungrateful little **** tries to perform his song & dance for our media whilst in the Oval Office as a GUEST of POTUS?
Why is it unprofessional? Their voices were barely raised, no foul language, no unnecessary name calling.
I have been in many a meeting that got heated in tense when the stakes are high. It happens and typically leads to a much quicker coming to terms by all parties.
Do you have a book on Smart, Professional Behavior Whilst Conducting International Relations in the Oval Office handbook you can share?
This should be post of the year on TexAgs. Cannot star enough!oh no said:
getting sick of the war mongering blood lusting commies claiming that anyone is "siding with the Russians".
If you're Russia, you sat there and watched the CIA help install an anti-Russia government next door in your former state in the maidan revolution in 2014. You sat there and watched the west put labs next door. You sat there want watched the west flirt with admitting yet another one of your next door neighbors into NATO, something they promised they'd never do, so they can be even more bold with military installations on your doorstep. You sat there and watched the corruption get worse and worse- complete with foreign elites placing their crackhead sons on the boards of their gas companies. You sat there and let a foreign "leader" bait you with "minor incursion" invitation. You know foreign meddlers sabotaged a multibillion dollar subsea energy project that was going to bring economic prosperity for both you and your western allies. You watched the US send Borris to Istanbul to prevent Lord Z from making a peace deal. All of this while knowing a large portion of the population of this former soviet state actually wants to be part of Russia and they all speak Russian. Should they have gotten so bold after watching the weakness of our Afghan exit and taken Joe Biden up on the minor incursion invitation? Probably not, but that does not make Ukraine the holy righteous good guys that need to be defended at all costs. We've paid them enough and will get zero return. Enough people have died. Both sides want peace except for the western intel and defense communities that want a russian regime change and forever wars. Russia is not a threat to the rest of Europe or the US. Make a deal and stop the killing. Keep Russia close instead of driving them closer and more dependent on China and Iran. Let them sell gas to Europe. That is not "siding with the Russians". That is the right thing to do.
It really is. I've been stupefied by the war proponent sect of my fellow Americans for many years now.
We mock the MSM pretty broadly here but the reach is quite strong still.
We mock the MSM pretty broadly here but the reach is quite strong still.
redcrayon said:Did you intend to post this from your business account??Jay@AgsReward.com said:
It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.
I noticed he posted that and hasn't been back
Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
infinity ag said:Hank the Grifter said:infinity ag said:Hank the Grifter said:infinity ag said:
The look was bad. They should have talked this through in private. Fighting in public is not a good look.
Fight all you want inside a room.
You understand that this was Zelensky's doing don't you? He attempted to take Trump to task in front of the media. It blew up in his face. Massively.
For that to have happened, they should have had an agreement privately. Don't think that happened.
How do you know they didn't?
What's more likely? A desperate guy who just got the financial spigot turned off on him goes rogue in a last gasp attempt to garner support from the suckers in this country or Trump forgot how to negotiate?
Get serious.
What will "going rogue" do? It is more in his interest to lick Trump's boots.
So no, he did not go rogue.
He very clearly did. This is basic common sense and further evidenced by his begging to stay at the WH after the dog and pony show.
Your goal tending here is absolutely ridiculous.
It's clear you have TDS and are incapable of thinking beyond what you're spoonfed.
Cut Ukraine off today! Not another dime.
Mr.Bond said:mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
This has 66 stars..... astounding
They all have multiple socks.
RafterAg223 said:Trump being trump isn't "felating" anyone. You are so full of it.Teslag said:Jbob04 said:
Dude quit being so slow. Z went completely off script and Trump had to respond. If Z would have signed the deal like planned this wouldn't have happened.
Trump went off first when he started felating Russia and Z responded
Morally equivalating Russia in this IS relating them.
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Another self-identified neo-con warmonger. Your run is over, in case you haven't noticed. Thanks for saddling us with thousands of wasted lives and trillions of dollars of wasteful spending over decades.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
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You just dont understand the nuances of a foreign political BROMANCErausr said:
No matter what side you fall on,
to say that was a colossal blunder by Zelensky
would be an understatement.
Yes. In a perfect world, you're correct.Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
That holds true for every conflict that has ever happened in the history of the world.
But in reality, that is not going to happen, and the War's resolution will require concessions on both sides....like has happened countless times in the past to end conflicts.
What's amazing is that he would be that much of a simpleton to actually believe what he posted. He doesn't even come close to understanding the heart of the matter. I hate Valdimir Putin. He's a massive piece of sh*t, and I'm sure everyone else here agrees. I also want this BS to come to an end by whatever means necessary so we can get back to taking care of our own business. The scam has gone on long enough.Jbob04 said:redcrayon said:Did you intend to post this from your business account??Jay@AgsReward.com said:
It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.
I noticed he posted that and hasn't been back
malibucharles said:Zelensky is right, Putin cannot be trusted. Trump and Vance were wrong to humiliate him in world wide TV. They were terrible hosts. Putin is jumping with joy.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.z
All three came off as childish and unstatesmanlike. If you can't admit that Zelenskyy was at least equally part of the problem in that appearance then you're not remotely objective.
Truly feel very bad for the people of Ukraine and grateful to have a US President that places Americans first, and so can empathize with Zelensky's always trying to improve the odds for his people - but man what a miscalculation and terrible course of decisions. He just wrecked his people's own best chances.
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That statement was extremely ignorant and overly simplistic. You know that, and you posted it anyway for some sort of virtue signaling dramatic effect.Jay@AgsReward.com said:
I do not have any other account. I am not political (despite folks making assumptions here based on one post) and never venture to this board. if that statement is enough for you or anyone else on here to not to do business with me despite 20 years of being a sponsor then that is fine. No worries. That would be your absolute right.
AgGrad99 said:Yes. In a perfect world, you're correct.Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
That holds true for every conflict that has ever happened in the history of the world.
But in reality, that is not going to happen, and the War's resolution will require concessions on both sides....like has happened countless times in the past to end conflicts.
What concessions are we suggesting Russia make?
Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
I don't buy this. We've let the Europeans establish this narrative as a means to try and control us. Europe could step up. They could stop doing business with Russia. They could drop tariffs on our goods and services. They meet their obligations to NATO.AgGrad99 said:Because it will take concessions by both sides.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Ukraine is not in a position to negotiate. They need us to assist with that. If they give us minerals, in exchange for leverage, they can negotiate peace.
Without us, they will lose. Trump and JD know this. Russia knows this. Everyone knows this.
But Z is being very very short sighted.
Our focus needs to be on China. We've put Russia in a condition that Europe can finish the job. They can take it from here.
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