Biz Ag said:🚨 UPDATE:
— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) December 20, 2024
Thomas Massie has won. The House GOP leadership is splitting the spending bill into smaller pieces.
Each section will be voted on individually and allowed to pass or fail on it's own.
CR, disaster relief, debt limit increase, etc. They will each be separate votes.
Now make crystal clear that if the democrats vote NO, they own the shut down.Biz Ag said:🚨 UPDATE:
— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) December 20, 2024
Thomas Massie has won. The House GOP leadership is splitting the spending bill into smaller pieces.
Each section will be voted on individually and allowed to pass or fail on it's own.
CR, disaster relief, debt limit increase, etc. They will each be separate votes.
infinity ag said:93MarineHorn said:It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".infinity ag said:
Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?
How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?
This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.
It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!
So how about shutdown for ever. You support that?
aggiehawg said:
About freakin' time. All appropriations should be standalone bills IMO.
coolerguy12 said:
Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.
I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.
Biz Ag said:🚨 UPDATE:
— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) December 20, 2024
Thomas Massie has won. The House GOP leadership is splitting the spending bill into smaller pieces.
Each section will be voted on individually and allowed to pass or fail on it's own.
CR, disaster relief, debt limit increase, etc. They will each be separate votes.
While I agree, it is up to each new session of Congress to write their rules as on session cannot bind future sessions. So that would be a session by session vote for that rule, or to abandon it for that session.Dan Scott said:aggiehawg said:
About freakin' time. All appropriations should be standalone bills IMO.
Am I naive to think that once a week the house has a marathon spending proposal day. Majority must be present and sponsor presents for 30 minutes.
Structural reforms in the spending legislation process like this is only way to cut or get spending under control. If you want to train Pakistanis on safe sex practices, include it in your presentation to the public.
Red Fishing Ag93 said:Blue star.doubledog said:🚨BREAKING: 38 Republicans voted NO on the New CR bill. pic.twitter.com/YLb3en6Gim
— AJ Huber (@Huberton) December 20, 2024
According to all of the MSM (hit) pieces, the shut down is because there were 38 Republicans that voted no, they ignore the 197 Democrats that voted no.
In my book that makes this the Democratic shutdown, because you know, I CAN COUNT!
doubledog said:House Democrat in charge of spending: "It is critical to fund the use of female crash test dummies for road equity" pic.twitter.com/TDHhBDfnX0
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 20, 2024
This is what Republicans are up against.... Insanity!
Exactly. No more of this "let's pass the bill first, then see what's in it later" omnibus BS (I'm looking at you, Nancy Pelosi).Hubert J. Farnsworth said:Biz Ag said:🚨 UPDATE:
— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) December 20, 2024
Thomas Massie has won. The House GOP leadership is splitting the spending bill into smaller pieces.
Each section will be voted on individually and allowed to pass or fail on it's own.
CR, disaster relief, debt limit increase, etc. They will each be separate votes.
That's how it should be, with every congressman on the record. Glad they are doing this. By breaking it all down into separate bills, the conservatives, that stood up, may end up being able to cut some spending after all.
chilimuybueno said:
Yes, but the devil remains in the details. Where will pork and absurdities be hidden?
No, not the same at all. One gets laid off because the work is no longer there. The other is locked out by politicians who refuse to don their job and threatened with disciplinary action if they do go to work.coolerguy12 said:
So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.
I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.
coolerguy12 said:
So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.
I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.
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Unbeknownst to most, the debt ceiling was suspended in Jun of 2023. As a result, Joe Biden and congress could spend on Ukraine without worry about the debt ceiling being a hurdle. The UniParty suspended the debt ceiling with a purpose.
Stop acting like they're victims. We all suffer in some form from time to time. They are citizens just like the rest of us.B-1 83 said:No, not the same at all. One gets laid off because the work is no longer there. The other is locked out by politicians who refuse to don their job and threatened with disciplinary action if they do go to work.coolerguy12 said:
So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.
I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.
My husband had a federal government job for 45 years. In that entire time he never missed work due to a shut down. His job was considered essential so he went to work as usual.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:coolerguy12 said:
So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.
I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.
If I was a federal worker, I would be all over finding temporary work like that. Considering they get back pay, you would end up making more money than if the government stayed running.
Speaker Johnson has said: We will not have a government shutdown.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 20, 2024
They will vote on the bill that failed last night, without debt limit, per Punchbowl.
Who?mikejones! said:Speaker Johnson has said: We will not have a government shutdown.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 20, 2024
They will vote on the bill that failed last night, without debt limit, per Punchbowl.
Then you gonna have a shut down dumbass
Once again demonstrating that the old Dog still has a little bite in him.rocky the dog said:
I just had a visit from my childhood friend who is a lawyer and a staunch democrat. We had a brief conversation since we hadn't seen each other in a year, and then I mentioned DJT. My friend never gets rattled but always tows the democrat lines (or is it lies?). He blamed the pending government shutdown on Trump, and I reminded him that his boy, President vegetable, is the president, not Trump. Then I thanked him for acknowledging that Trump has more power out of office than Biden does in office. He decided it was time to go, and I dropped the final bomb about Biden bragging that he was the great unifier and that the only thing he built back better was his wallet...
...and away he went without comment.
DVM97 said:It means my in-laws and mother don't get their social security and health care benefits, it means people go without the basic essentials they have earned from decades of work. Missing a check or two and getting it "later" isn't an option for diabetics and people on fixed incomes. A shutdown impacts millions of people who have earned benefits that the government provides, and it is the elected officials job to keep the government functioning.93MarineHorn said:It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".infinity ag said:
Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?
How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?
This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.
It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!
Hubert J. Farnsworth said:chilimuybueno said:
Yes, but the devil remains in the details. Where will pork and absurdities be hidden?
I agree, but when it's broken down into separate bills, it's harder to hide pork.
I've read in a couple of places that the Thursday vote was always doomed to failure, as it required a 2/3 majority rather than a simple majority.Who?mikejones! said:Speaker Johnson has said: We will not have a government shutdown.
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 20, 2024
They will vote on the bill that failed last night, without debt limit, per Punchbowl.
Then you gonna have a shut down dumbass
He's wrong. Social Security and health care benefits keep going out during a government shut down. Always. Also, essentional government functions continue.redcrayon said:DVM97 said:It means my in-laws and mother don't get their social security and health care benefits, it means people go without the basic essentials they have earned from decades of work. Missing a check or two and getting it "later" isn't an option for diabetics and people on fixed incomes. A shutdown impacts millions of people who have earned benefits that the government provides, and it is the elected officials job to keep the government functioning.93MarineHorn said:It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".infinity ag said:
Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?
How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?
This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.
It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!
Who told you this???
Quote:Once again demonstrating that the old Dog still has a little bite in him.Quote:
rocky the dog said:
I just had a visit from my childhood friend who is a lawyer and a staunch democrat. We had a brief conversation since we hadn't seen each other in a year, and then I mentioned DJT. My friend never gets rattled but always tows the democrat lines (or is it lies?). He blamed the pending government shutdown on Trump, and I reminded him that his boy, President vegetable, is the president, not Trump. Then I thanked him for acknowledging that Trump has more power out of office than Biden does in office. He decided it was time to go, and I dropped the final bomb about Biden bragging that he was the great unifier and that the only thing he built back better was his wallet...
...and away he went without comment.
Well done, Rocky!
So now we're going to give the same bill as yesterday a try without the debt ceiling provision?Sq 17 said:
It was posted that Procedurally after the 2/3 votes failed
the bill could be passed on a second vote with a simple majority but Jeffries, the Ds, and the freedom Caucus were not able to be convinced to change their vote on the Trump backed bill with the elimination of the debt ceiling
