Did Chuck Schumer call for government down?pic.twitter.com/4S3tIWJITa

— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) December 20, 2024

Not quite

coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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F16: no one is even going to notice if the government shuts down!

Also F16: shutting down the government will put all the pressure on the Dems to give in!

I'm not sure the Dems will care. By law everyone is going to get all their checks anyway, and this just makes Trump look bad at the start of his new administration

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Dems will look like hypocrites for fearmongering about a shutdown and then doing nothing about it once the gov't is shutdown. Dem voters care FAR more about FedGov than R voters.

But maybe you're right. Wouldn't it be awesome if it stayed shutdown for months and 99% of Americans didn't notice?

No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

🚨 #BREAKING: Speaker Johnson and Dollar Store Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, have re-opened discussions to negotiate a spending bill compromise, per Axios

NO! DO NOT BUDGE @SpeakerJohnson!

LET THEM SHUT IT DOWN! pic.twitter.com/Cvg3OeCz6B

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) December 20, 2024

All this to end up with the original bill.

Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

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And that's the fault of the employees, how?

So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.

I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.

No Spin Ag said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

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And that's the fault of the employees, how?

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No one forces them to work for govt. Its different from private sector? How? Why?

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infinity ag said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".

It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!

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So how about shutdown for ever. You support that?

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Yes. 1000%. Insert "your terms are acceptable" meme

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Don't threaten with a good time.

45-70Ag said:

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🚨 #BREAKING: Speaker Johnson and Dollar Store Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, have re-opened discussions to negotiate a spending bill compromise, per Axios

NO! DO NOT BUDGE @SpeakerJohnson!

LET THEM SHUT IT DOWN! pic.twitter.com/Cvg3OeCz6B

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) December 20, 2024

All this to end up with the original bill.

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Guess that means johnson is going for the debt ceiling and is willing to give dems a lot to get it.

Good luck with that. ****ing brilliant work maga.

Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

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And that's the fault of the employees, how?

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No one forces them to work for govt. Its different from private sector? How? Why?

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In that sense, it isn't. The thing is, with this, people want to use politicians to harm the livelihoods of people, knowing at best it temporary, as a way to "stick it" to someone, even if it's under the guise of "fiscal" something or the other.

coolerguy12 said:

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So literally no different than getting laid off in the private sector except they will get back pay when it's over. Put me in the "shut it down" camp.

I'm sure Amazon is hiring all sorts of seasonal workers now if times are tight. Learn to code = learn to deliver.

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Love the conviction of sticking it to the fed employees.

45-70Ag said:

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🚨 #BREAKING: Speaker Johnson and Dollar Store Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, have re-opened discussions to negotiate a spending bill compromise, per Axios

NO! DO NOT BUDGE @SpeakerJohnson!

LET THEM SHUT IT DOWN! pic.twitter.com/Cvg3OeCz6B

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) December 20, 2024

All this to end up with the original bill.

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With the elimination of the debt ceiling
SOTH has instructions that nothing passes with out that included

No Spin Ag said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

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And that's the fault of the employees, how?

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No one forces them to work for govt. Its different from private sector? How? Why?

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In that sense, it isn't. The thing is, with this, people want to use politicians to harm the livelihoods of people, knowing at best it temporary, as a way to "stick it" to someone, even if it's under the guise of "fiscal" something or the other.

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It is in no way to stick it to anyone. But if I worked for an entity that was $36 TRILLION in debt, and I did very little, I would expect to get cut. I would at least have set aside some savings. Govt shutdowns are a known risk to these employees. We are sick of this garbage govt and those that run cover for them.

doubledog said:

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House Democrat in charge of spending: "It is critical to fund the use of female crash test dummies for road equity" pic.twitter.com/TDHhBDfnX0

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 20, 2024

This is what Republicans are up against.... Insanity!

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Man this woman is so ugly she can "pass" for a tranknee

Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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People who have enough savings to cover that month or two will be fine. For those who don't, because of whatever reason, many valid, they're screwed. They'll have to borrow money to get by, and when they do get their paychecks, those checks won't come with the added difference to make up for the interest on the loans. And that's assuming they can get loans.

So, while, yes, they will eventually get their paychecks, let's not pretend it can't be an annoyance at best and a struggle at worst when it happens. And all for no fault of their own, save for politicians trying to score feelz points with their bases.

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Just wait until they get the DOGE hammer - losing interest on a short term loan will look like a walk in the park. In my opinion a shutdown of our bloated, corrupt, lazy govt will illustrate just how little govt we actually need. We are immune from the sob stories now.

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And that's the fault of the employees, how?

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No one forces them to work for govt. Its different from private sector? How? Why?

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In that sense, it isn't. The thing is, with this, people want to use politicians to harm the livelihoods of people, knowing at best it temporary, as a way to "stick it" to someone, even if it's under the guise of "fiscal" something or the other.

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It is in no way to stick it to anyone. But if I worked for an entity that was $36 TRILLION in debt, and I did very little, I would expect to get cut. I would at least have set aside some savings. Govt shutdowns are a known risk to these employees. We are sick of this garbage govt and those that run cover for them.

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I get that. My thing is, at best, this is nothing more than political posturing. But, if that's all you can get (a temp token win), then at least it's better than nothing.

I'll be interested to see if DOGE does anything of substance or just strim fat off of things that aren't of any consequence. Say, force people to retire early to get their salaries off the books and put a hiring freeze open positions, or not opening positions of people who quit, thereby showing there are less employees/positions, even if in the future they can, and likely will be, opened back up.

doubledog said:

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🚨BREAKING: 38 Republicans voted NO on the New CR bill. pic.twitter.com/YLb3en6Gim

— AJ Huber (@Huberton) December 20, 2024

According to all of the MSM (hit) pieces, the shut down is because there were 38 Republicans that voted no, they ignore the 197 Democrats that voted no.

In my book that makes this the Democratic shutdown, because you know, I CAN COUNT!

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Blue star.

Oldie but a goodie.

Panic! Government will shut down if Congress doesn't pass a funding bill!

That's how most media cover it.

But during previous shut downs, what terrible things happened? None!

Life went on. Government demonstrated how needless most of it is.

I made this video about that: pic.twitter.com/NIPYeO2r6X

— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) December 20, 2024

coolerguy12 said:

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Can you help me understand who is actually affected by this shutdown? Worst I can come up with is people will miss a couple paychecks that are guaranteed to get paid back. That's significantly better than the private sector where you can miss a few paychecks and then never get paid by that company again at any time. Sorry if I don't lose any sleep over people that don't have an emergency fund set up for these situations.

I feel worse for the people that had a vacation planned to a national park and get that ruined. They don't get back pay on their vacation time they used up.

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I know for a fact there are construction projects that get shut down with no inspector on the job, so those private construction workers get a vacation. Whether their main employer helps them along with any pay, i have no idea. Sure, I always got paid, but I was also threatened with disciplinary action if I went to work anyway, which I found really stupid since I was a salary guy with no form of overtime and frequently worked "off the clock" anyway.

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Teslag said:

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We were told to withdraw our Christmas PTO requests today and anticipate a shutdown since we will be off and just get back pay later.

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If you're over the 240, will you get reinstatement?

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If you are talking about use it or loose it time……you will loose it. But heck one would be off anyway. I saw a teammate in the office get slightly annoyed with that possibility. He asked my opinion and I told him he may loose a week but gain more time off……so really?

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I have about 47hrs of use or lose. I had planned to use what I could over Christmas and "donate" what's left. I'm "essential", so I will be working if there's a furlough. I'm not sure how it works for non-essential employees, but if there's a shutdown, I have to be at work. They cancel all planned leave and we're not able to request leave during a furlough. My 47hrs of use or lose will be reinstated to my account. I will not lose it. I've been through this several times.

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93MarineHorn said:

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infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".

It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!

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So how about shutdown for ever. You support that?

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Let's try it for a few months. Anything we critically need we'll reopen as needed. Anything that we don't notice being closed after 6 months remains permanently closed.

DVM97 said:

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DVM97 said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".

It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!

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It means my in-laws and mother don't get their social security and health care benefits, it means people go without the basic essentials they have earned from decades of work. Missing a check or two and getting it "later" isn't an option for diabetics and people on fixed incomes. A shutdown impacts millions of people who have earned benefits that the government provides, and it is the elected officials job to keep the government functioning.

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People will continue to get SS checks. You are mistaken or fear mongering.

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You are correct, SS isn't impacted, however, the last Govt shutdown in 2018 caused major headaches for my father in laws health care. Bottom line is these buffoons both D and R are elected to govern, to compromise, negotiate and work together to get things done. Unfortunately, the days of Lloyd Bentsen and Phil Graham working together FOR Texas in spite of differing political parties are over. Our elected officials are more concerned with sound bites, fund raising, social media exposure, and running for reelection 24/7/365 than actually trying to get things done.

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How, exactly, did the shutdown impact his healthcare?

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Well there goes my national park trip over the break.

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No. It just means it's free to get in. When it shut down about six years ago, we went to the Muir Woods and Yosemite at Christmastime.

The restrooms were closed and the trash was overflowing. It also meant that people were doing stupid stuff. But some rangers were still working in Yosemite to ensure people were safe and nothing got trashed.

Ok, lets give the "conservatives" and Dems what they want:

🚨Chuck Schumer says it’s time to go back to the original 1,547 page Continuing Resolution bill:

pic.twitter.com/BFLopnhvQF

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) December 20, 2024

The maga people would probably be ecstatic to vote for the original bill so long as it moves the debt limit out 2 years

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The maga people would probably be ecstatic to vote for the original bill so long as it moves the debt limit out 2 years

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Broad strokes much... Sure some would though but I try not to paint with broad strokes over what some die hard loons think.

I'm maga and I am completely against both the original bill and any moving out or increase to the debt limit.

"Nothing gets congress moving like the smell of jet fuel." - Rahm Emanuel

President Musk has weighed in again:

Great idea https://t.co/BiP571S4hn

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 20, 2024

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The media is already rolling out the sob stories, I heard one this morning about a fed family that is one missed paycheck away from foreclosure. Apparently, having an emergency fund in place never occurred to them.

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Huh. The government doesn't give COLA raises annually? If it does, how are they broke?

My wife and I haven't gotten COLA, and we have had to eat Biden's **** sandwich and make our own way, so I can only imagine what getting annual adjustments and/or raises would look like.

Things are so expensive, in part, because our government is too big. Maybe this poor schlep can find a private sector job and see how real people have to live.

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That's not what a shutdown is, but you know that.

Didn't know you wanted big daddy govt to keep you in line.

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A government shutdown occurs when Congress fails to fund federal agencies, leading to closures of non-essential services, furloughs, and delays in public programs, while essential operations continue without immediate pay for employees.

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It is dumb of people who want to turn us into a 3rd world country.

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How?

DVM97 said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".

It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!

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It means my in-laws and mother don't get their social security and health care benefits,

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False.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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The maga people would probably be ecstatic to vote for the original bill so long as it moves the debt limit out 2 years

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Broad strokes much... Sure some would though but I try not to paint with broad strokes over what some die hard loons think.

I'm maga and I am completely against both the original bill and any moving out or increase to the debt limit.

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Just judging by the reactions to the modified bills failure

🚨 UPDATE:

Thomas Massie has won. The House GOP leadership is splitting the spending bill into smaller pieces.

Each section will be voted on individually and allowed to pass or fail on it's own.

CR, disaster relief, debt limit increase, etc. They will each be separate votes.

— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) December 20, 2024

DVM97 said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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infinity ag said:

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Why do some folks here want a Govt shutdown?

How does anarchy sound? Do you want us to become Pakistan or Syria?

This is as idiotic as the "defund the police" kooks who then demand the police to find their stuff.

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It seems you don't know what happens when FedGov "shuts down".

It has minimal/zero impact on most people's lives. Dems will go squealing to the significantly less influential msm. There will be some manufactured sob stories. Bring it on!

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It means my in-laws and mother don't get their social security and health care benefits, it means people go without the basic essentials they have earned from decades of work. Missing a check or two and getting it "later" isn't an option for diabetics and people on fixed incomes. A shutdown impacts millions of people who have earned benefits that the government provides, and it is the elected officials job to keep the government functioning.

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I am going to assume you are just mis-informed, and not lying your butt off.