Trump's window dressing -

do you think Elon and Vivek want a raised debt limit? I highly doubt it - reduced debt limit would force government's hand on cutting spending which is what Trump promised,

agdad4x said:

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Trump's window dressing -

do you think Elon and Vivek want a raised debt limit? I highly doubt it - reduced debt limit would force government's hand on cutting spending which is what Trump promised,

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For two years? Damn right. Why go thru this **** every 3 months for the next two years. They want time to slash government.

Logos Stick said:

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I will not be surprised to see Trump attack Elon at some point on Truth Social. I fully expect it. He and Elon do not see eye to eye on spending and where we are as a country. There will be some good stuff done under Trump, but we are headed for financial disaster under him.

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To be fair, we've been on the brink of financial disaster for 15+ years.

let's see - I need to lose some weight, so maybe i go out and gain 25 pounds so I can lose 15 easier - makes alot of sense to me !!!

cut 2 or 3 trillion out of our budget/debt after we add 5 trillion !!!

Farmer_J said:

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Ben Shapiro had an interesting take on this budget battle.

Essentially, Trump, Johnson and the Dems already agreed to the bill. His theory is that Trump wants all the spending passed under Dems before he takes office and would like the debt ceiling limit removed, so it's not an issue when he's President.

Kinda sounds like trump

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Weird, it's almost like I said this exactly and got roasted for it.

Logos Stick said:

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I will not be surprised to see Trump attack Elon at some point on Truth Social. I fully expect it. He and Elon do not see eye to eye on spending and where we are as a country. There will be some good stuff done under Trump, but we are headed for financial disaster under him.

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Hmmm, glad to see you come around

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Chip responds:

My position is simple - I am not going to raise or suspend the debt ceiling (racking up more debt) without significant & real spending cuts attached to it. I’ve been negotiating to that end. No apologies. CC: @realDonaldTrump @SpeakerJohnson @SenJohnThune @freedomcaucus

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) December 19, 2024

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This is the principled conservative (and responsible) position.

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They will have the opportunity to pass a conservative principled budget in March. Increasing the debt ceiling isn't about making room for more debt, it's about disarming the Senate democrats and preventing them from leveraging that for political gains later.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Chip responds:

My position is simple - I am not going to raise or suspend the debt ceiling (racking up more debt) without significant & real spending cuts attached to it. I’ve been negotiating to that end. No apologies. CC: @realDonaldTrump @SpeakerJohnson @SenJohnThune @freedomcaucus

— Chip Roy (@chiproytx) December 19, 2024

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This is the principled conservative (and responsible) position.

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They will have the opportunity to pass a conservative principled budget in March. Increasing the debt ceiling isn't about making room for more debt, it's about disarming the Senate democrats and preventing them from leveraging that for political gains later.

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This…

It gives Trump's administration 2 years to operate without the constant threat of Ds trying to hold "government shutdown" over his head…

On the plus side, Congress can still cut taxes in their next budget…on the negative, it will allow Trump to take on debt to fund the measures he and his administration deem necessary…

I suspect Trump's folks think they need the financial space to do what they feel is necessary to address the immigration issue…

What were Chip Roy's votes on the previous 10 debt ceilings?

Chip Roy just said Rs are jizzing themselves for getting a bill that's shorter in pages but adds $5T to the debt.

Dan Scott said:

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Chip Roy just said Rs are jizzing themselves for getting a bill that's shorter in pages but adds $5T to the debt.

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It doesn't add $5T…but it does open up the ability for Trump to do so if he sees fit…

If you believe that DOGE is going to do its job successfully, then you have to assume that billions and billions are going to be cut in the next two years which will offset debt spending, then in the long run, this bill works…

With that said…I don't think this passes…

Would have been better if this had been the first bill put forward…

What is PayGo. Sounds like it's an accumulated scorecard of 1.7T in mandatory cuts due to other increases that's now wiped clean to 0. Meaning no more 1.7T in mandatory cuts

Give 'em hell, Chip!!!

Also, I don't know if Biden gave every federal worker a boost to their severance like was reported he may do, but if he cuts entire departments, the outlay in years one and two will spike.

Add the border deportations to that spike, and having no debt celing for the first two years would be a help to him.

There is so much broken. But let's go ahead and have folks stand in the way of the national mandate he has.

Science Denier said:

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Fitch said:

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This is going to be very common with as small a margin as there is in the House. A single rep out of line or an absolutist voting against on principle will tank the legislative agenda.

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So who is outta line Trump or Chip? I'll go with Trump on this issue. Debt will kill us as the worlds foremost economy, and probably already has. We are currently paying more To service the debt than we are on defense. Its insane.

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Trump is going to cut government. He ran on it and has 2 great businessmen leading that effort.

Everyone without severe TDS knows this won't happen right away. So, why shutdown the government right when he takes office? Why keep doing these over and over until he can do something?

It's grandstanding. Create chaos to try to derail actual progress for Trump to do what his mandate from the people is.

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He ran on cutting the govt in 2016. What cuts did he achieve during his 1st term?

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Science Denier said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Fitch said:

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This is going to be very common with as small a margin as there is in the House. A single rep out of line or an absolutist voting against on principle will tank the legislative agenda.

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So who is outta line Trump or Chip? I'll go with Trump on this issue. Debt will kill us as the worlds foremost economy, and probably already has. We are currently paying more To service the debt than we are on defense. Its insane.

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Trump is going to cut government. He ran on it and has 2 great businessmen leading that effort.

Everyone without severe TDS knows this won't happen right away. So, why shutdown the government right when he takes office? Why keep doing these over and over until he can do something?

It's grandstanding. Create chaos to try to derail actual progress for Trump to do what his mandate from the people is.

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He ran on cutting the govt in 2016. What cuts did he achieve during his 1st term?

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There were cuts until COVID hit. However, he admits he should have done more. DOGE is a great start. Let outsiders recommend the cuts.

Rossticus said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Schrute Farms said:

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Chip Roy is one of the most consistent hard right voices in Congress. Weird attack.

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Trump thinks Roy is a RINO. strange indeed

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Trump's definition of a RINO is anyone who isn't in lock step with and/or wholly defers to him.

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He may call him a RINO, but the proper term is TDS. Standing in the way of Trump's mandate from the entire US because of his hatred of Trump.

I think in the grand scheme of things, the most prudent path for the Rs would have been to pass this bill…begrudgingly, but passing it would have put this on Schumer and the Senate…

Now Schumer has the upper hand here…

Science Denier said:

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Rossticus said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Schrute Farms said:

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Chip Roy is one of the most consistent hard right voices in Congress. Weird attack.

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Trump thinks Roy is a RINO. strange indeed

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Trump's definition of a RINO is anyone who isn't in lock step with and/or wholly defers to him.

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He may call him a RINO, but the proper term is TDS. Standing in the way of Trump's mandate from the entire US because of his hatred of Trump.

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You think Chip Roy has TDS, or you think Trump thinks that?

Hopefully Trump understands that a mandate is not the same as being coronated.

Logos Stick said:

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I will not be surprised to see Trump attack Elon at some point on Truth Social. I fully expect it. He and Elon do not see eye to eye on spending and where we are as a country. There will be some good stuff done under Trump, but we are headed for financial disaster under him.

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Didn't you say yesterday that he was following Elon's spending directive and had become a fiscal conservative?

Man that goalpost moved quickly.

Science Denier said:

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TRM said:

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Science Denier said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Fitch said:

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This is going to be very common with as small a margin as there is in the House. A single rep out of line or an absolutist voting against on principle will tank the legislative agenda.

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So who is outta line Trump or Chip? I'll go with Trump on this issue. Debt will kill us as the worlds foremost economy, and probably already has. We are currently paying more To service the debt than we are on defense. Its insane.

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Trump is going to cut government. He ran on it and has 2 great businessmen leading that effort.

Everyone without severe TDS knows this won't happen right away. So, why shutdown the government right when he takes office? Why keep doing these over and over until he can do something?

It's grandstanding. Create chaos to try to derail actual progress for Trump to do what his mandate from the people is.

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He ran on cutting the govt in 2016. What cuts did he achieve during his 1st term?

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There were cuts until COVID hit. However, he admits he should have done more. DOGE is a great start. Let outsiders recommend the cuts.

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Take a look at the budgets in 2017, 2018 and 2019 and tell me where the cuts were

I appreciate that Chip is making a principled argument, but I think it's one that needs to wait until March…

Seems pretty clear this bill accomplished two major things…removed a ton of pork, and it gave Trump the room to maneuver his agenda through the first two years with no threat of debt ceiling hanging over his head…

I think in the long run, Chip's move was misguided…

This was not the hill to die on at this time…

Im Gipper said:

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Science Denier said:

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Rossticus said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Schrute Farms said:

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Chip Roy is one of the most consistent hard right voices in Congress. Weird attack.

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Trump thinks Roy is a RINO. strange indeed

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Trump's definition of a RINO is anyone who isn't in lock step with and/or wholly defers to him.

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He may call him a RINO, but the proper term is TDS. Standing in the way of Trump's mandate from the entire US because of his hatred of Trump.

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Roy is not doing this because he "hates Trump". Get a clue!

Roy is doing this because he's a principal conservative! Apparently something you don't understand!


If you want to disagree with Roy's approach here, that is fine. But what you can't do is completely lie about Roy's motives!

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lol. Then what I'd his plan for severance, massive deportation? What bill did he introduce that cuts pork, he's doing nothing but putting obstacles in the way for Trump to fix all the **** that congress passed while he was there.

He is unwilling to let Trump fix what the American People gave him a mandate to fix. Many of these things will cost more up front in order to fix and see the long term benefits.

Because he's not offered anything but "reee shut down the government".

FireAg said:

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I appreciate that Chip is making a principled argument, but I think it's one that needs to wait until March…

Seems pretty clear this bill accomplished two major things…removed a ton of pork, and it gave Trump the room to maneuver his agenda through the first two years with no threat of debt ceiling hanging over his head…

I think in the long run, Chip's move was misguided…

This was not the hill to die on at this time…

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Very reasoned & thoughtful take.

All things being equal, I agree with you…

But if DOGE does what it's supposed to do, the debt ceiling issue might become a moot point…

FireAg said:

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All things being equal, I agree with you…

But if DOGE does what it's supposed to do, the debt ceiling issue might become a moot point…

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What is DOGE going to cut that makes the ceiling issue a moot point? Social security? Medicare? Defense? If not, we will continue to have debt ceiling votes every other year.

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FireAg said:

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All things being equal, I agree with you…

But if DOGE does what it's supposed to do, the debt ceiling issue might become a moot point…

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What is DOGE going to cut that makes the ceiling issue a moot point? Social security? Medicare? Defense? If not, we will continue to have debt ceiling votes every other year.

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Looks like there will be entitlement cuts

The United States will cut Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in spending next year through Reconciliation!

Donald Trump Truth Social 02:29 PM EST 12/19/24

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 20, 2024

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FireAg said:

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All things being equal, I agree with you…

But if DOGE does what it's supposed to do, the debt ceiling issue might become a moot point…

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What is DOGE going to cut that makes the ceiling issue a moot point? Social security? Medicare? Defense? If not, we will continue to have debt ceiling votes every other year.

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It can cut quite a bit that greatly slows our ascension toward it…

No, it's never going to go away…but if we want the Trump agenda executed, there may not be any other way to do it…

That is the corner we have painted ourselves into…

This is not good Trump. Chip Roy is one of my favorite people in Congress. I hope he challenges Cornyn in 2026 instead of Paxton.