SociallyConditionedAg said:
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Prosperdick said:
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coolerguy12 said:
You must have missed where Abbott was deploying floating barriers and razor wire only to have the feds physically remove it and fight him endlessly in court. He finally threw his hands up and said, ok you want to be a sanctuary city, prove it. He had the mayors of NYC and Chicago squealing like a stuck pig over a few thousand people. They cried uncle and fought him every way they could and he kept pouring it on.
Sometimes you can tell a kid the stove is hot, other times you have to let them learn the hard way.
I did not miss any of that and was probably one of the most vocally in support of Abbott deploying floating barriers, razor wire, etc and actually wanted him to keep going further in regards to securing the border. The feds were abstaining from their responsibilities thus Texas had every right in my opinion to secure the border regardless of jurisdiction because Texas would never had joined the union if they knew the feds would act that way. My issue with Abbott's bussing illegals is he had the buses going north instead of south.
And yes you can view leftists as a kid that needs teaching, I'm all for the learn the hard way politicking and wished we did more of that just not at the expense of our border. Or you can view them as politically incompatible and the only way the war can be won is by beating them into submission or parting ways. It's not much of a war won if you stay married to a significant group of people that were still willing to pull the lever for a hard leftist like Kamala after the disasterous 12 years we've seen with Obama and Biden. The kids you think will learn a lesson by touching the stove clearly are not learning any lesson from their other bad decisions.
How exactly could he bus them back to Mexico? Do you think Mayorkas would just let him?
You're on the wrong side of this issue. Immigration was not as pressing as inflation and the economy until Abbott started making them feel the pain. I must have watched dozens of videos of black men and women openly complaining on social media "why are they getting cell phones, staying in a nice hotels in Manhattan, PLUS getting monthly stipends? This is some bulls**!!!"
Abbott forced immigration as a way to show the black population that they were being replaced with a new crop of voters who were getting much nicer stuff than they were getting. Jealousy is a powerful emotion and this channeled it into hatred for the Biden administration.
He simply directs the bus drivers south. When the federal government actively works against their duties at the detriment of the states, I firmly believe that we are now working in a gray zone where the letter of the law can be skewed. I know I am in the minority on this but I view that as our founding fathers not looking for a legal way of dealing with the British but rather a that's wrong so I'll do it the right way and deal with the consequences. Texas would never have joined the union if the federal governemnt was going to leave the border open and refuse to deport illegals.
And I have agreed several times above that I respect the method of making people suffer from their voting ways. I just dont trust those people to change their votes in the long run and view this method as a short term win rather than a long term win. I think the significantly bigger change in votes was the democrats sprinting left rather than walking left and people are giving Abbott more credit than the effect shows. But that is just my opinion and I'm not willing to bet an open border on the leftists ability to learn from the err of their ways.
Exactly. Abbott is the worst governor in Texas history and should be sitting in a jail cell, not the governor's mansion. This political stunt only entrenched more illegals in the country. Giving him credit for anything to do with illegal immigration is a joke.
I don't think you're completely wrong with this perspective.
I don't think anyone on these threads is completely wrong, because when the federal government completely abdicates one of its only legitimate duties, it creates a situation so fundamentally broken that there is NO such thing as a perfect, satisfying solution. (It's like all the recent fights about reclining seats on commercial airplanes. There simply isn't enough room for all passengers in Coach to be comfortable. Their conflict is a result of the airline's seating configuration.) We all want to fix it in our way, but ultimately we are trying to fix something that cannot be fixed. All we can do is mitigate some parts of the damage, and our mitigation steps will necessarily make other parts a bit worse. We shouldn't have to be here, but here we are, and it's messy. Let's all give each other a bit of grace to recognize that instead of attacking each other for not perfectly solving the problem, we should be figuring out how to combine out efforts to steadily nudge all the components of this issue toward our shared desired outcome, even though the steps we take will necessarily be painful, contradictory, and at times will require a step backward in one area in order to gain three steps forward in another.
Keep in mind that we're only here disagreeing about this because the power class deliberately did what they could to make sure 10-20 million people walked right into the country. Our fight needs to stay focused against those internal enemies. Not against each other for different approaches of how to deal with it. And, in my opinion, not even against those 10-20 million. They behaved rationally in the best interests of themselves and their families. It would have been foolish of them NOT to take advantage of the opening they were given. I don't hate or begrudge the illegal immigrants, and I think it significantly damages our cause to focus on the immigrants themselves.
"We are very sorry that you are now suffering and living in fear because the controlling factions of our government made bad choices and incentivized you to come here outside the legitimate process. They had no right to do that and we are working to keep them from doing it again. Unfortunately, the Democrats and some Republicans succeeded in turning you from a person into a political problem, and in order to right some of their wrongs, we must send you back and ask you to return using the legitimate processes."
