The case might even be mooted by the time SCOTUS renders an opinion. Noel Canning sat at SCOTUS alone for fourteen months. It could well be stuck at the appellate court before it even reaches SCOTUS.

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You do know there are Dems on the House ethics committee, right? If there was anything in the report beyond what the DOJ found, it would be public knowledge already.

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So with that logic, there's no harm in making it public, right? It would just confirm his innocence.

To be clear, I'm not anti or pro Gaetz. Don't really have any emotional attachment to this. My bigger interest is seeing Trump and the R's pass great legislation, like extending current tax rates for starters.

Don't really care who's in his cabinet, but I chuckle at the histrionics from some quarters. There's the Trump-is-God camp, which would defend the devil if he was nominated. And then there's the Trump-is-literally-Hitler camp, which would condemn God if he was nominated. And several of us in between.

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I'm with Brother Memphis

it would be best if Gaetz goes down to defeat and every other appointee makes it through.

do we really think MAGA can't survive with Matt freaking Gaetz and his botox at age 35?!?!

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Because then there would be precedent moving forward to not allow any recess appointments

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it would not set that precedent.

recess appointments are specifically allowed by the constitution

This whole thing makes me feel like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with Gaetz.

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it would be best if Gaetz goes down to defeat and every other appointee makes it through.

do we really think MAGA can't survive with Matt freaking Gaetz and his botox at age 35?!?!

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I can speak confidently on behalf of all of F16 when I say:

NO ONE IS SURPRISED YOU FEEL THIS WAY. lol.

Watching msnbc disgusts me. They bring on these lib politicians who say things like….they don't want to make the accusers testify since they were victimized once already and they shouldn't be made to endure the pain of recalling the events again. Uh….these women were hookers. They had sex for money on an ongoing basis.

Then the commentator says….just look at Brett cavanaughs accuser and what she went thru. Uh….that crazy loon totally lied about the events. Couldn't remember anything about the location, couldn't describe the house or the layout or the date.

Goodness I hate these people.

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This whole thing makes me feel like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with Gaetz.

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Really? After what Biden put into the administration?

Gaetz being a cis-gendered Anglo is my biggest hang up here. DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial person at the top.

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Gaetz being a cis-gendered Anglo is my biggest hang up here. DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial person at the top.

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What in the living f'k is a transinclusive tetraracial person, and why did it make my blood boil just typing that!?

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Really? After what Biden put into the administration?

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They're two sides of the same coin. Which means it should be stupid simple to find someone who is at least marginally competent and has little baggage.

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Gaetz being a cis-gendered Anglo is my biggest hang up here. DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial person at the top.

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What in the living f'k is a transinclusive tetraracial person, and why did it make my blood boil just typing that!?

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My apologies. I did not mean to offend anyone by being discriminatory. Let me rephrase:

DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial sentient being at the top.

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ok, 5-4 against. my bad

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do you even know what the Canning concurrence was? It appears you don't. nothing wrong with that, but you are just throwing up numbers without any basis.

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so you believe it will be challenged if he does typical recess and SCOTUS will rule against?

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Absolutely.

In the Canning case, Scalia wrote in the concurrence that to be a recess appointment the vacancy must "happen during the Recess," ie, offices that become vacant during that intermission. He was joined by Alito, Roberts and Thomas.

So unless those 3 have a complete 180 change of opinion, thats 3 votes against.

Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Barrett are all Scalia fans, so you only need 2 of them to make 5.

But then consider the 3 liberals. You only need 2 of them to find any reason to go against Trump. Its a safe bet that happens.

But the kicker is, and what Trump knows, is that that probably doesn't matter.


Take his hypo:

Trump does a recess appointment of Gaetz.

SCOTUS says that the appointment violates the constitution.


What happens in the interim? Gaetz is still going to be essentially the attorney general. the lower courts are not going to issue an injunction saying he can't be in office.

Is it worth all this headache to the GOP? I say no.

Thats why I think Gaetz gets confirmed the traditional way. The threat of the whole thing blowing up only hurts republicans in thelong run.

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I do think he gets confirmed the traditional way, and I do think he WILL be confirmed…

What we are currently witnessing is theatrical hysterics…I believe Trump's team has a plan, and they knew what it would take to get it done going in…

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This whole thing makes me feel like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with Gaetz.

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Really? After what Biden put into the administration?

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They're two sides of the same coin. Which means it should be stupid simple to find someone who is at least marginally competent and has little baggage.

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Get off your hypocritical high horse. There's so much more baggage surrounding Biden than there is surrounding Gaetz. Biden's own DOJ invesitgated Gaetz and found nothing to charge him with. This is nothing more than typical Dem playbook of political assassination.

FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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They're two sides of the same coin. Which means it should be stupid simple to find someone who is at least marginally competent and has little baggage.

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Get off your hypocritical high horse. There's so much more baggage surrounding Biden than there is surrounding Gaetz. Biden's own DOJ invesitgated Gaetz and found nothing to charge him with. This is nothing more than typical Dem playbook of political assassination.

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You think Gaetz is pure as driven snow, or at a minimum no worse than anyone else in Congress? Bless your heart.

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My apologies. I did not mean to offend anyone by being discriminatory. Let me rephrase:

DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial sentient being at the top.

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Why do you hate beings of diverse states of consciousness?

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

MGT says she's going to go scorched earth and release EVERYTHING on EVERYONE if this report is released.

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MGT says she's going to go scorched earth and release EVERYTHING on EVERYONE if this report is released.

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Oh I bet they are shaking in their boots now!

She is going to roast them with a Jewish Space Laser and keep them in a Peachtree Dish!

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

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Link is blocked for me, but I assume the "testimony" is what the committee heard from the person who Gaetz provided them the jailhouse confession of the plan for them to lie?

TexasAggie81 said:

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"An unidentified hacker has gained access to a computer file shared in a secure link among lawyers whose clients have given damaging testimony related to Matt Gaetz, the former Florida congressman who is President-elect Donald J. Trump's choice to be attorney general, a person with knowledge of the activity said."

So still no proof, just hearsay and rumors.

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

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Link is blocked for me, but I assume the "testimony" is what the committee heard from the person who Gaetz provided them the jailhouse confession of the plan for them to lie?

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I assume the whole story is a lie. Like when we were promised that the committee that recommended impeachment for Paxton had seen lots of evidence that he was guilty. They had seen nothing because it doesn't exist, apparently.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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txags92 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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TexasAggie81 said:

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

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Link is blocked for me, but I assume the "testimony" is what the committee heard from the person who Gaetz provided them the jailhouse confession of the plan for them to lie?

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I assume the whole story is a lie. Like when we were promised that the committee that recommended impeachment for Paxton had seen lots of evidence that he was guilty. They had seen nothing because it doesn't exist, apparently.

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Precisely…

If there was a smoking gun, it would already be out there…

Here is a better link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/19/us/politics/matt-gaetz-hack-testimony.html?unlocked_article_code=1.bE4.f2SX.A-EoaFu8nQma&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

So someone is admitting they committed a crime by hacking encrypted files? Is that what a "secure link" is?

The are "unidentified hacker" so they aren't admitting it openly! lol

Im Gipper said:

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The are "unidentified hacker" so they aren't admitting it openly! lol

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CIA? Or FBI?

Im Gipper said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Gaetz being a cis-gendered Anglo is my biggest hang up here. DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial person at the top.

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What in the living f'k is a transinclusive tetraracial person, and why did it make my blood boil just typing that!?

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My apologies. I did not mean to offend anyone by being discriminatory. Let me rephrase:

DoJ needs a transinclusive tetraracial sentient being at the top.

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With all due respect - not helping!!!

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

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Link is blocked for me, but I assume the "testimony" is what the committee heard from the person who Gaetz provided them the jailhouse confession of the plan for them to lie?

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"An unidentified hacker has gained access to a computer file shared in a secure link among lawyers whose clients have given damaging testimony related to Matt Gaetz, the former Florida congressman who is President-elect Donald J. Trump's choice to be attorney general, a person with knowledge of the activity said.

The file of 24 exhibits is said to include sworn testimony by a woman that she had sex with Mr. Gaetz in 2017 when she was 17, as well as corroborating testimony by a second woman who said that she witnessed the encounter.

The files were downloaded by a person using the name Altam Beezley at 1:23 p.m. on Monday, according to the person, who was not authorized to speak publicly. A lawyer connected to the case sent an email to the address associated with Altam Beezley, only to be informed in an automated reply that the recipient does not exist.

The material does not appear to have been made public by the hacker.

The documents include information that is under seal with the Justice Department, which investigated Mr. Gaetz but did not file charges, and the House Committee on Ethics, which has completed its own inquiry into the former congressman. The Ethics panel's members are scheduled to meet on Wednesday to decide on whether to vote to release material it has gathered.

But the hacked trove of documents stems from an altogether different source: a civil suit being pursued by a friend of Mr. Gaetz's, Christopher Dorworth, a Florida businessman. Mr. Dorworth filed the suit against both the woman who says she had sex with Mr. Gaetz when she was a minor and Joel Greenberg, an erstwhile ally of Mr. Gaetz who is serving an 11-year prison sentence after pleading guilty to federal sex trafficking charges involving the woman.

Mr. Dorworth has claimed that he was defamed by Mr. Greenberg and the woman, both of whom had told federal authorities that Mr. Dorworth hosted parties where he, they, Mr. Gaetz and others took drugs and openly had sex

In mustering their defense, lawyers for Mr. Greenberg and the woman have solicited sworn statements from others who they say were witnesses. The 24 exhibits were attached to a motion prepared by lawyers for Mr. Greenberg and the woman in response to Mr. Dorworth's suit.

In addition to the depositions from the woman who was a minor at the time of the encounter and the woman who said she was a witness, the hacked information also includes sworn testimony from Mr. Dorworth and his wife, as well as testimony from Michael Fischer, Mr. Gaetz's former campaign treasurer, who is also said to have attended the party. It also contains various supporting material, such as the gate logs showing who entered the property of the Dorworth home on the evening in July 2017 when the two women said the sexual encounter with Mr. Gaetz occurred.

The material apparently taken by the hacker is unredacted and includes the names and other personal information of the witnesses but is otherwise said to be more damaging to Mr. Gaetz than to his accusers, according to the person familiar with the hack. The hacker had not contacted the lawyers as of Tuesday morning, and it was not clear what motive the person might have."

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Im Gipper said:

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The are "unidentified hacker" so they aren't admitting it openly! lol

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CIA? Or FBI?

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By "hacking", they mean receiving an encrypted file from their CIA handler along with the necessary key to unlock it.

Anyone who will take money to have sex will take money to lie about taking money to have sex.

TexasAggie81 said:

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txags92 said:

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TexasAggie81 said:

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FYI. All of you Gaetz cheerleaders need to read this:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdnyuz.com%2F2024%2F11%2F19%2Fhacker-is-said-to-have-gained-access-to-file-with-damaging-testimony-about-gaetz%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Ce249fc58c3254e8cf20708dd08b3c54b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638676290385739658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bMPfPrZeEAzcawr2Cd%2FeER%2BLqawM%2Fn5KSEGEZWMmYR0%3D&reserved=0

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"Hacker is said to have..."

Stopped reading there. Fake news.

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Link is blocked for me, but I assume the "testimony" is what the committee heard from the person who Gaetz provided them the jailhouse confession of the plan for them to lie?

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"An unidentified hacker has gained access to a computer file shared in a secure link among lawyers whose clients have given damaging testimony related to Matt Gaetz, the former Florida congressman who is President-elect Donald J. Trump's choice to be attorney general, a person with knowledge of the activity said.

The file of 24 exhibits is said to include sworn testimony by a woman that she had sex with Mr. Gaetz in 2017 when she was 17, as well as corroborating testimony by a second woman who said that she witnessed the encounter.

The files were downloaded by a person using the name Altam Beezley at 1:23 p.m. on Monday, according to the person, who was not authorized to speak publicly. A lawyer connected to the case sent an email to the address associated with Altam Beezley, only to be informed in an automated reply that the recipient does not exist.

The material does not appear to have been made public by the hacker.

The documents include information that is under seal with the Justice Department, which investigated Mr. Gaetz but did not file charges, and the House Committee on Ethics, which has completed its own inquiry into the former congressman. The Ethics panel's members are scheduled to meet on Wednesday to decide on whether to vote to release material it has gathered.

But the hacked trove of documents stems from an altogether different source: a civil suit being pursued by a friend of Mr. Gaetz's, Christopher Dorworth, a Florida businessman. Mr. Dorworth filed the suit against both the woman who says she had sex with Mr. Gaetz when she was a minor and Joel Greenberg, an erstwhile ally of Mr. Gaetz who is serving an 11-year prison sentence after pleading guilty to federal sex trafficking charges involving the woman.

Mr. Dorworth has claimed that he was defamed by Mr. Greenberg and the woman, both of whom had told federal authorities that Mr. Dorworth hosted parties where he, they, Mr. Gaetz and others took drugs and openly had sex

In mustering their defense, lawyers for Mr. Greenberg and the woman have solicited sworn statements from others who they say were witnesses. The 24 exhibits were attached to a motion prepared by lawyers for Mr. Greenberg and the woman in response to Mr. Dorworth's suit.

In addition to the depositions from the woman who was a minor at the time of the encounter and the woman who said she was a witness, the hacked information also includes sworn testimony from Mr. Dorworth and his wife, as well as testimony from Michael Fischer, Mr. Gaetz's former campaign treasurer, who is also said to have attended the party. It also contains various supporting material, such as the gate logs showing who entered the property of the Dorworth home on the evening in July 2017 when the two women said the sexual encounter with Mr. Gaetz occurred.

The material apparently taken by the hacker is unredacted and includes the names and other personal information of the witnesses but is otherwise said to be more damaging to Mr. Gaetz than to his accusers, according to the person familiar with the hack. The hacker had not contacted the lawyers as of Tuesday morning, and it was not clear what motive the person might have."

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So it is the testimony of the people that planned to lie about him that was the subject of the jailhouse transcripts Gaetz turned over to the committee and that were posted previously in this thread? Sounds like a non-event to me. Testimony from people who we already know are liars because their ringleaders discussed it with an informant in jail.

Farmer_J said:

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Matt Gaetz has 3 critical assets that are needed for the AG role: a big brain, a spine of steel and an axe to grind.

He is the Judge Dredd America needs to clean up a corrupt system and put powerful bad actors in prison.

Gaetz will be our Hammer of Justice.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2024

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I imagine that pretty much seals the deal. There's not a politician in Washington that wants to get on Musk's bad side unless they are looking to get primaried.