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Both are meh.

Prostitution has always been around and should be legal. And we are stupid for infantilizing 17, 18, and 19 year olds. They are the backbone of our fighting forces and all throughout history have been married and bearing children.

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There's a difference between a 21 year old interacting with a 17 year old, and a 30+ year old doing it.

Something about young love hooking up is understandable, whereas an older guy preying on an underage female is creepy and downright wrong.

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Maybe but there has to a line drawn in the sand legally. I am perfectly fine with that being 17.

Edit: Just curious what age gap do you think is appropriate for a 17, 19, 21, or 25 year old?

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17 year olds are children. Not legally but they're still children. It's gross and there are character issues for a man over the age of thirty being with one.

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They are literally not children

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What is legal, isn't always moral.

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Like showers with your 13 year old daughter.

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Agreed. I don't understand the thinking that a criticism of Gaetz is somehow a defense of Biden. It's child-like reasoning.

I just dont think he has enough votes to get confirmed in the Senate.

[We were very clear about keeping it respectful. Take the day off -- Staff]

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Both are meh.

Prostitution has always been around and should be legal. And we are stupid for infantilizing 17, 18, and 19 year olds. They are the backbone of our fighting forces and all throughout history have been married and bearing children.

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There's a difference between a 21 year old interacting with a 17 year old, and a 30+ year old doing it.

Something about young love hooking up is understandable, whereas an older guy preying on an underage female is creepy and downright wrong.

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Maybe but there has to a line drawn in the sand legally. I am perfectly fine with that being 17.

Edit: Just curious what age gap do you think is appropriate for a 17, 19, 21, or 25 year old?

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17 year olds are children. Not legally but they're still children. It's gross and there are character issues for a man over the age of thirty being with one.

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They are literally not children

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What is legal, isn't always moral.

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Like showers with your 13 year old daughter.

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Agreed. I don't understand the thinking that a criticism of Gaetz is somehow a defense of Biden. It's child-like reasoning.

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Fair…

So can you provide any evidence that Gaetz did what some have accused him of? DOJ couldn't find anything…what have you found?

ETA: why did you edit your original post to make it disrespectful?

Where was he charged with sex trafficking?

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So sorry you are "sick and tired". If you can't see what a useful idiot Gaetz is, I'm not sure what to tell you. I get you believe the main stream media is out to get the Trump fan boys, but you have to do so incredibly stupid sh** to be accused of trafficking minors.

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accused as in a NYT article with unnamed sources saying he flew a 17yr old escort across state lines and had sex with her? Those accusations?

It takes a special kind of Cognitive dissonance to make that statement.

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Both are meh.

Prostitution has always been around and should be legal. And we are stupid for infantilizing 17, 18, and 19 year olds. They are the backbone of our fighting forces and all throughout history have been married and bearing children.

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There's a difference between a 21 year old interacting with a 17 year old, and a 30+ year old doing it.

Something about young love hooking up is understandable, whereas an older guy preying on an underage female is creepy and downright wrong.

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Maybe but there has to a line drawn in the sand legally. I am perfectly fine with that being 17.

Edit: Just curious what age gap do you think is appropriate for a 17, 19, 21, or 25 year old?

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17 year olds are children. Not legally but they're still children. It's gross and there are character issues for a man over the age of thirty being with one.

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They are literally not children

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What is legal, isn't always moral.

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With all due respect, you folks on the left have no ground to stand on when it comes to judging morality.

The moral degeneracy we've witnessed these last 4 years is quite literally Sodom level.

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Interesting that criticism of some in Trumps orbit equals being on the left. I've said this several times before, my biggest fear is this intent to get back control of the presidency and Congress has cause us to overlook or flat out dismiss some huge red flags in some of these people. To use the left as a benchmarks and say "we're not nearly as bad" is crazy. Immoral is immoral. Unethical is unethical. If we can't win unless we are selecting the bottom of the barrel, then we need to rethink the strategy. Gaetz resigned just prior to the House Ethics report, and it certainly wasn't required he do that before he was announced as the AG nominee (and certainly not before confirmation). I assume most would agree that Making America Great Again includes holding people to a higher standard than the Democrats. Overlooking red flags in peoples character and continuing to support them just gives them tacit consent to keep doing whatever they what. Which apparently is fine with some folks as long as they are perceived as supporting their same beliefs.

So far, all I'm hearing is regurgitated talking points and media accusations. Eerily similar to the way Trump was treated during Russiagate.

It was all supposedly verifiable - until it wasn't. I believe that one ended up being a left wing smear campaign designed to take out a politcal opponent.

Imagine that.

Everyone should wait to pass judgment here. There is ample history to be skeptical of anything the Democrats/RINOs and their media allies push as truth.

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Maybe this is Trumps way of helping the GOP get rid of Gaetz all together?

Resigns from Congress, special election to replace his safe GOP seat, doesn't get confirmed, DeSantis DOES NOT appoint him to replace Rubio but instead someone the GOP leaders want.

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Stop wish casting. You'll only be disappointed.

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Not wish casting. Just throwing out a theory on how the GOP could coordinate with Trump to get rid of Gaetz. He's made a lot of enemies in the GOP the last few years.

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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Qualification pales in comparison to loyalty. Trump has to be sure his appointments will do whatever he asks them to without pause or question. If they won't then it doesn't matter how "qualified" they are. He learned from his last term.

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And that's good for Trump if you trust his motives, but potentially bad for the American people if there aren't any ethical guard rails. Its like when Trump fired Sessions for not doing everything he wanted. I believe Sessions ran into an ethical and likely legal dilemma and told him he could not pursue the course of action he wanted. You want loyalty but you should also want people to tell you what is out of bounds and why. The leader of a country who's staff only tell them yes and aren't concerned with the ethical, legal or moral repercussions of their actions should be feared by the people.

For the same reason we dislike Biden and the FBI for all the things they did that probably weren't ethical or even legal, we should expect ethics and integrity in this administration. You don't want G. Gordon Liddy types

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You aren't wrong, but some people only learn by getting punched in the face. A lot of these Democrats need to be punched in the face and Gaetz will have no problem doing that. My issue is will Gaetz know when enough is enough.

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I've no problem with a strong arm selection who can get things done. But Gaetz is a charlatan who is now putting his eggs in one basked by quitting the House and assuming he'll be confirmed. If he is confirmed, it he will see it as "a full throated support of my ability". The idea there was no other strong arm conservative option is just silly.

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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Qualification pales in comparison to loyalty. Trump has to be sure his appointments will do whatever he asks them to without pause or question. If they won't then it doesn't matter how "qualified" they are. He learned from his last term.

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And that's good for Trump if you trust his motives, but potentially bad for the American people if there aren't any ethical guard rails. Its like when Trump fired Sessions for not doing everything he wanted. I believe Sessions ran into an ethical and likely legal dilemma and told him he could not pursue the course of action he wanted. You want loyalty but you should also want people to tell you what is out of bounds and why. The leader of a country who's staff only tell them yes and aren't concerned with the ethical, legal or moral repercussions of their actions should be feared by the people.

For the same reason we dislike Biden and the FBI for all the things they did that probably weren't ethical or even legal, we should expect ethics and integrity in this administration. You don't want G. Gordon Liddy types

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You aren't wrong, but some people only learn by getting punched in the face. A lot of these Democrats need to be punched in the face and Gaetz will have no problem doing that. My issue is will Gaetz know when enough is enough.

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I've no problem with a strong arm selection who can get things done. But Gaetz is a charlatan who is now putting his eggs in one basked by quitting the House and assuming he'll be confirmed. If he is confirmed, it he will see it as "a full throated support of my ability". The idea there was no other strong arm conservative option is just silly.

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That's a decent take if you assume everything is to be taken at face value…

I still say there's a well outlined plan here, likely designed by Wiles…

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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20 million illegals and Crooked Joe Biden would like a word with you.

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Wow, quite the non sequitar there. What does that have to do with anything I said? That's fine if you think Gaetz is a swell guy and probably a great hang. Some of us conservative actually believe character is important. Using the Dems as an moral/ethical benchmark to justify the behavior of conservatives. The most basic principle of conservativism is that if you reward bad behavior, you will just continue to get more of it.

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Maybe this is Trumps way of helping the GOP get rid of Gaetz all together?

Resigns from Congress, special election to replace his safe GOP seat, doesn't get confirmed, DeSantis DOES NOT appoint him to replace Rubio but instead someone the GOP leaders want.

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Stop wish casting. You'll only be disappointed.

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Not wish casting. Just throwing out a theory on how the GOP could coordinate with Trump to get rid of Gaetz. He's made a lot of enemies in the GOP the last few years.

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The flaw in your logic is that one of those enemies is not Trump. I'm sure Trump would rather get rid of the Gaetz's enemies.

What evidence do you have that Gaetz is a charlatan? I'm honestly asking.

Outside of what should be obvious deep state propaganda, what do you hate Gaetz so much?

I ask because I've seen extensive podcasts with him and he comes across as intellectually honest and very transparent on how dirty DC is. I'm sure you must have seen something to contradict that to formulate such a pationate perspective so I would be thrilled to see it.

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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20 million illegals and Crooked Joe Biden would like a word with you.

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Wow, quite the non sequitar there. What does that have to do with anything I said? That's fine if you think Gaetz is a swell guy and probably a great hang. Some of us conservative actually believe character is important. Using the Dems as an moral/ethical benchmark to justify the behavior of conservatives. The most basic principle of conservativism is that if you reward bad behavior, you will just continue to get more of it.

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While I respect what you are getting at, I would caution you that those you might be putting on a moral pedestal might greatly disappoint you if you looked inside their closets…

One thing I personally believe is the notion that "birds of a feather flock together", and those claiming moral high ground, especially in Washington DC, might all very well be protecting each other, and teaming up to destroy those who have the capacity and ability to pull back the curtain on their public persona…

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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20 million illegals and Crooked Joe Biden would like a word with you.

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Wow, quite the non sequitar there. What does that have to do with anything I said? That's fine if you think Gaetz is a swell guy and probably a great hang. Some of us conservative actually believe character is important. Using the Dems as an moral/ethical benchmark to justify the behavior of conservatives. The most basic principle of conservativism is that if you reward bad behavior, you will just continue to get more of it.

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Oh look it is a conservative who didn't vote for Trump over Harris. It is embarrassing.

Also that is not the basic principle of conservatism. The basic principle of conservatism is that change should be minimal and well thought out.

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So? How much of that "baggage" is made up bull**** because people don't want someone who isn't deep state/status quo actually cleaning **** up?

I'm still waiting for someone to post any actual evidence that Gaetz is a child sex trafficker…where's the evidence?

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The same people saying the election wasn't stolen because there is no evidence (there is) will accuse Gaetz of being a rapist (despite there being no evidence for this)

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"It's the seriousness of the charge."

I can't believe how many people fall for "the banana in the tailpipe" every single time. Nothing democrats say is credible. Never take them at their word.

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Per this X post. Did I miss something:

It will be an honor to serve as President Trump’s Attorney General! pic.twitter.com/dg0iQ0bA6Y

— Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) November 13, 2024

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Good grief. That guy is insufferable. The silver lining is that Trump will likely turn over a few of the appointments....if history is any indication. Gaetz is a showboat and not up for that task. But then we're all full of opinions. Just surprising given the myriad of well qualified candidates. I will say that I don't doubt that Gaetz will do absolutely anything Trump tells him too, legal or not.

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20 million illegals and Crooked Joe Biden would like a word with you.

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Wow, quite the non sequitar there. What does that have to do with anything I said? That's fine if you think Gaetz is a swell guy and probably a great hang. Some of us conservative actually believe character is important. Using the Dems as an moral/ethical benchmark to justify the behavior of conservatives. The most basic principle of conservativism is that if you reward bad behavior, you will just continue to get more of it.

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The most basic conservative principle is limiting government intrusion into a person's life. Rugged individualism baby!

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I just dont think he has enough votes to get confirmed in the Senate.

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He doesn't.

Never know why Trump didn't turn to someone like Jay Sekulow, who has more experience than Gaetz and is a known and definitive critic of the weaponized DoJ/FBI under Obama and Biden.

Not a good pick when you select someone who has more baggage in his life than a Hollywood actress.

I want someone in that position who will hit the ground running to destroy the anti-American elements within DoJ. What is not needed is an individual who, like Sessions, cannot move against those elements because he himself has issues.

Its already come out that 10 GOP senators oppose him. Checks and balances ladies and gentleman.

They need to be careful with the recess appointments. Trump still needs Congress to pass his agenda. If he railroads them, then he will face more opposition.

Well said.

Meltdown during confirmation hearing coming.

The Romney/McCain wing of the GOP is not going down without a fight. They will eventually be defeated and swept into the dust bin of history, but it's going to take a bit. Destroying the libs at the ballot box didn't do it for them it seems.

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Both are meh.

Prostitution has always been around and should be legal. And we are stupid for infantilizing 17, 18, and 19 year olds. They are the backbone of our fighting forces and all throughout history have been married and bearing children.

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There's a difference between a 21 year old interacting with a 17 year old, and a 30+ year old doing it.

Something about young love hooking up is understandable, whereas an older guy preying on an underage female is creepy and downright wrong.

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Maybe but there has to a line drawn in the sand legally. I am perfectly fine with that being 17.

Edit: Just curious what age gap do you think is appropriate for a 17, 19, 21, or 25 year old?

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17 year olds are children. Not legally but they're still children. It's gross and there are character issues for a man over the age of thirty being with one.

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They are literally not children

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What is legal, isn't always moral.

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With all due respect, you folks on the left have no ground to stand on when it comes to judging morality.

The moral degeneracy we've witnessed these last 4 years is quite literally Sodom level.

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Interesting that criticism of some in Trumps orbit equals being on the left. I've said this several times before, my biggest fear is this intent to get back control of the presidency and Congress has cause us to overlook or flat out dismiss some huge red flags in some of these people. To use the left as a benchmarks and say "we're not nearly as bad" is crazy. Immoral is immoral. Unethical is unethical. If we can't win unless we are selecting the bottom of the barrel, then we need to rethink the strategy. Gaetz resigned just prior to the House Ethics report, and it certainly wasn't required he do that before he was announced as the AG nominee (and certainly not before confirmation). I assume most would agree that Making America Great Again includes holding people to a higher standard than the Democrats. Overlooking red flags in peoples character and continuing to support them just gives them tacit consent to keep doing whatever they what. Which apparently is fine with some folks as long as they are perceived as supporting their same beliefs.

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That poster is nowhere near Trump's orbit. You've created quite a strawman. I'm not opposed to ethics investigations for conservatives. My point, which I clearly stated, is that the left needs to stay out of the debate when it comes to judging morality. The party of porn in schools, unlimited abortion, chicks with dicks, etc... has no standing when it comes to the subject of morality.

That's one. We'll see about the rest. Whether you like it or not, Gaetz is deeply unpopular for throwing a grenade at his own party. I can get behind all of Trumps picks so far, but Gaetz is a bridge too far for most.

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Its already come out that 10 GOP senators oppose him. Checks and balances ladies and gentleman.

They need to be careful with the recess appointments. Trump still needs Congress to pass his agenda. If he railroads them, then he will face more opposition.

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Link?

JUST IN: Upwards of 10 GOP senators will not vote to confirm Matt Gaetz for Attorney General, says Senator Richard Blumenthal - CBS

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) November 14, 2024

Sen. Cornyn tells @rachelvscott he “absolutely” wants to review the House Ethics Committee’s investigation of Matt Gaetz during the AG confirmation process. pic.twitter.com/FSTcUGzgox

— Ben Siegel (@bensiegel) November 14, 2024

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Its already come out that 10 GOP senators oppose him. Checks and balances ladies and gentleman.

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I am old enough to recall when the "republican" Speaker of the Texas House stopped doing the people's business to conduct a bogus impeachment of the Republican Attorney General. Still waiting on evidence of the false allegations they promised us were totally legit.

Sometimes people need to be called to task for the pieces of **** they are. Opposition based on liberal allegations is not noble. Show us the evidence.