HowdyTexasAggies said:

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Why are you arguing that something so simple to pull off is next to impossible? All you have to do is obtain lists of people, targeting those you know are very unlikely to vote, and send in a mail vote for them. It's extremely easy and no way to trace it. That's exactly what they did during Covid. And, if they did already vote, who cares.

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bowhuntr said:

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Cool - to be clear, I think there was cheating and when I saw the 81 vs 67m #, I was excited to jump into the state by state data. It wasn't as clear as my initial hypothesis. Next step would be to go county by county in PA to see what those differences are.

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Stressboy said:

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YokelRidesAgain said:

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Stressboy said:

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Maybe a lot of those "first time voters" in 2020 really didn't fill out their own ballots.

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I do not believe for a moment that a massive scheme, a la "itzaconspiracy, ballot printer goes brrrrrrr!" made 15 million ballots materialize from thin air.

On the other hand, I'm sure that there were plenty of votes in 2020 where one person filled out a ballot for herself and her spouse, or an adult child "helped" an elderly relative vote. On both sides.

Heck, my ex-wife's mom requested an absentee ballot for ex-wife and voted (for Dubya) in Broward County, FL in 2000. Was that fraud? Yup. A felony? Yup. A contributor to a vote margin of less than 600 votes that altered the course of American history? Yup.

But short of ex-MIL running down to the local FBI office and confessing, it was also entirely untraceable.

2020 was a demonstration that if you make it really, really easy for people to vote, more of them will do so. Most of them are on the up and up, but the price of that is you accept some percentage of fraud.

Personally, I think that the percentage of people who are willing to be dishonest probably doesn't break that much along party lines, but there's no way to prove that in a statistical sense.

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If you don't think ballots sent wholesale to non clean voter roll addresses were not abused then I can't help you. Maybe when the votes are all counted it will just be a few million votes difference from 2020 but it's funny that all the suspect stuff happened in 5-7 counties in the country and all of them with mail in ballots.

Clean rolls, better oversight and the silent majority made our argument no longer important. That said republicans need to keep driving more election integrity.

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4 years, countless lawsuits and investigations, absolutely no proof. It just makes those of us that Republican look bad when people continue to talk about weird kooky fairytales.

Especially if Trump ends up fairly close to Biden's 2020 number.

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Vote harvesting with zero chain of custody isn't traceable. Thats not a fairytale by any stretch.

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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uneedastraw said:

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My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.

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Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.

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AgLA06 said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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uneedastraw said:

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My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.

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Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.

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Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.

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HTownAg98 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.

Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period

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Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.

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AgLA06 said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Stressboy said:

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YokelRidesAgain said:

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Stressboy said:

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Maybe a lot of those "first time voters" in 2020 really didn't fill out their own ballots.

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I do not believe for a moment that a massive scheme, a la "itzaconspiracy, ballot printer goes brrrrrrr!" made 15 million ballots materialize from thin air.

On the other hand, I'm sure that there were plenty of votes in 2020 where one person filled out a ballot for herself and her spouse, or an adult child "helped" an elderly relative vote. On both sides.

Heck, my ex-wife's mom requested an absentee ballot for ex-wife and voted (for Dubya) in Broward County, FL in 2000. Was that fraud? Yup. A felony? Yup. A contributor to a vote margin of less than 600 votes that altered the course of American history? Yup.

But short of ex-MIL running down to the local FBI office and confessing, it was also entirely untraceable.

2020 was a demonstration that if you make it really, really easy for people to vote, more of them will do so. Most of them are on the up and up, but the price of that is you accept some percentage of fraud.

Personally, I think that the percentage of people who are willing to be dishonest probably doesn't break that much along party lines, but there's no way to prove that in a statistical sense.

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If you don't think ballots sent wholesale to non clean voter roll addresses were not abused then I can't help you. Maybe when the votes are all counted it will just be a few million votes difference from 2020 but it's funny that all the suspect stuff happened in 5-7 counties in the country and all of them with mail in ballots.

Clean rolls, better oversight and the silent majority made our argument no longer important. That said republicans need to keep driving more election integrity.

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4 years, countless lawsuits and investigations, absolutely no proof. It just makes those of us that Republican look bad when people continue to talk about weird kooky fairytales.

Especially if Trump ends up fairly close to Biden's 2020 number.

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Vote harvesting with zero chain of custody isn't traceable. Thats not a fairytale by any stretch.

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Stop blaming everyone else for the Republican party's failed leadership.

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captkirk said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.

Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period

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Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.

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Biden won by about 50,000 votes in three swing states. No need to forge millions of votes

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AgLA06 said:

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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uneedastraw said:

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My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.

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Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.

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Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.

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BREAKING: Christian leaders call an emergency meeting to discuss the possibility that the rapture has already occurred as 15 million democrat voters disappeared without a trace over night.

— Carpe Donktum🔹 (@CarpeDonktum) November 6, 2024

And just like that - magic!

The Bellwether Counties all make sense again.

What could have possibly happened in 2020 to make it so inaccurate? If only we could know... pic.twitter.com/X8VKRinHWY

— Sallie Borrink (@SallieBorrink) November 7, 2024

Phatbob said:

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It's not hard. There was a huge push for mail in ballots in 2020. People were stuck in their houses, so they had more bandwidth to just pick up a pen and vote. Dem voters are way lazier than Republican voters. Make it that easy, and they will vote.

Without the push for mail in votes, the ones who barely paid attention, but still could take 2 minutes to fill out their ballot as they sat on their couch were not going to drive to wait an hour in line to vote.

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OdessaAg said:

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Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????

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EX TEXASEX said:

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If the RNC was smart and boy THEY AREN'T they should take out a national add campaign on milk cartons ect . for looking for 15 million missing voters. Last seen being mailed in during the 2020 campaign for President. With graph of historic election numbers to show the absolute aberration 2020 was.

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aggiehawg said:

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I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?

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HTownAg98 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?

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Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.

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aggiehawg said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?

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Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.

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But total votes including third party votes can be telling as well. To me anyway. Did the thrd parties perform better or worse than in 2020?

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!

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I'll check in the morning. Ribs are on the kettle, and there's been day drinking involved.

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maroonthrunthru said:

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The reason the "delta" is still there is because of the states that still allow ZERO voter ID and massively corrupt mail-in ballots…

Without vigilance on the part of the Trump and GOP team, the steal would have happened in '24…

Dems have NEVER and will NEVER see 81MM in my lifetime, as long as they aren't cheating….

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