Would be interesting to see a state by state analysis of voter totals over the last 4 or so election cycles. It seems like a fairly simple set of graphs.

I would think you would see a natural increases over time due to population growth…a large spike in a given year would indicate an anomaly.

TooTall 06 said:

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Would be interesting to see a state by state analysis of voter totals over the last 4 or so election cycles. It seems like a fairly simple set of graphs.

I would think you would see a natural increases over time due to population growth…a large spike in a given year would indicate an anomaly.

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I came here to post about this, but what I really want to see is any extreme voter count differences at the county level nationwide.

That will be the most telling info.

I saw a clip this morning that Harris underperformed in every single county across the country. That's hard to pull off.

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Bryanisbest said:

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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People were not excited to vote for either one. It has been pretty easy to see the lack of excitement. It's like there was a death of yard signs, bumper stickers, and casual political discussions this cycle.

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I think you mean people weren't excited to vote for ONE candidate, not both.

History will have a hard time explaining this… pic.twitter.com/8t26E4bjz7

— EducatëdHillbilly™ (@RobProvince) November 6, 2024

Trump didn't fall off like Kamala/Dems.

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this chart looks like all government numbers right before they are revised.

they cheated and they are liars.

I read somewhere every single state Kamala "won" does not require an ID to vote. Can someone confirm?

HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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maroonthrunthru said:

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The above posts are all reasonable excuses…

The 2020 reason, and THE ONLY REASON…
BALLOT HARVESTING AND MADE UP VOTES OUT OF THIN AIR….

Quit being p*ssies… The b*astards stole it, plain and simple… You know it…. I know it… THEY know it…

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HTownAg98 said:

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I'm not disagreeing with you. Yes, the difference will be smaller. But you still can't explain it with "cheating."

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You can explain MOST of them with cheating. YES, it was definitely cheating.

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I'd like to know how you define "cheating."

HTownAg98 said:

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No, they filled them out because they could vote from the comfort of their home. This time, they had to leave the house, go stand in line, and cast their ballot. Never underestimate the inherent laziness in people. And throw in a candidate that people weren't enthusiastic about, and you get this result.

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So much this. People would gladly take the 20 seconds to find a pen to vote against Trump, but drive somewhere and stand in line for an hour? Not when it means voting for that laugh and word salads for 4 years.

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I read somewhere every single state Kamala "won" does not require an ID to vote. Can someone confirm?

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False. New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Conn, Colorado, Delaware, Virginia all require voter ID.

No voter ID states are DC, Cal, Haw, Ill, Maine, Maryland, Mass, Minn, Nevada, NJ, NM, NYA, Penn & Vermont. So Trump ONLY won 2 of those states.

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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Both sides were playing by the same rules, regardless of when they were changed. Republicans got caught with their pants down on this by insisting on in-person voting. They could have picked up just as many lazy republican voters had they mirrored what the Democrats did.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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Both sides were playing by the same rules, regardless of when they were changed. Republicans got caught with their pants down on this by insisting on in-person voting. They could have picked up just as many lazy republican voters had they mirrored what the Democrats did.

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Confirmed my thoughts about you. Disgusting you would still sink to this take that is empirically not factual.

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Prosperdick said:

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I read somewhere every single state Kamala "won" does not require an ID to vote. Can someone confirm?

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False. New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Conn, Colorado, Delaware, Virginia all require voter ID.

No voter ID states are DC, Cal, Haw, Ill, Maine, Maryland, Mass, Minn, Nevada, NJ, NM, NYA, Penn & Vermont. So Trump ONLY won 2 of those states.

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The ballot initiative in NV requiring voter ID just overwhelmingly passed.

Cheating didn't account for the entire delta. But it damn sure accounts for a big portion of it.

Look at the truck drivers story about hauling in boxes of ballots from NY to PA. Is he still just lying his ass off or does it seem more plausible that the cheat was in, the ballots were manufactured, republican proctors were forced out, so the activists could scan as many votes as needed.

What's not factual about it? Republicans tried to fight the law changes, they lost, and chose not to adapt. This is akin to a coach realizing the refs are calling a loose game, and still insisting on not holding or being more aggressive against pass routes.

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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People were not excited to vote for either one. It has been pretty easy to see the lack of excitement. It's like there was a death of yard signs, bumper stickers, and casual political discussions this cycle.

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Texas sure was excited and New York too. NY was closer to being a red state than Texas being a blue one.

I don't know how voter ID works in all those states, but in Colorado, it's far from secure. They spam everyone with ballots and you can drop it in the Dropbox with nothing more than a signature. There's no id.

I suppose when you registered way back when. But I can't even remember doing that unless it was at the DMV. This is how I can easily see ways to circumvent the system.

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Yeah, but so many more FOR Biden? Fishy at minimum…

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Bingo. It's not a conspiracy to ask that question. I was telling my wife about this. There was no way he received 81M votes while Harris got 66M. I know people were turned off about trump in 2020, but not that many.

In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

2020 was stolen. Still.

SwigAg11 said:

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In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

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This is pure fantasy and a rejection of acknowledgment of the events that took place.

If that was the case there would be no need to collect and count ballots for weeks after the election day.

I am here for the "keep it real" people trying to back track. You were wrong.

SwigAg11 said:

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In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

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So those 15M decided not to vote this go round?

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SwigAg11 said:

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In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

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So those 15M decided not to vote this go round?

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This. You are all so full of *****

15 m filled out their ballot and could have again and just said "nah"

No zuck bucks.

No twitter cover.

No covid.

All the resources dems had to play with last time were ousted. Oh and Trump and the R party had their troops and supply lines ready for when they tried that **** again this go round. Lawyers and judges and politicos on the ground watching everyone.

This is the result. Dems and their cheating were ROUTED yesterday.

The Dropbox needs to go the way of the Dodo bird. You are correct - it is an invitation for voter fraud. If you can drive your ass to an unmanned Dropbox, then you can drive your ass to a manned, secure voting location.

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Bryanisbest said:

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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it is entirely plausible that a lot of democrats weren't excited to vote for Kamala considering:

1. She was the least popular democratic primary candidate in 2020

2. She became the candidate after the proof of lying about Bidens health came clear

And a lot of people likely said hell no I don't want to vote for her.

Combine that with the state of immigration and the economy over the last 4 years and this became trumps election to lose and he handled business

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But...But... Reproductive Rights would bring out the democratic voters in numbers to large to believe!

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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SwigAg11 said:

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In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

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So those 15M decided not to vote this go round?

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This. You are all so full of *****

15 m filled out their ballot and could have again and just said "nah"

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I'm full crap? Ok dude….carry on.

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Phatbob said:

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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People were not excited to vote for either one. It has been pretty easy to see the lack of excitement. It's like there was a death of yard signs, bumper stickers, and casual political discussions this cycle.

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Texas sure was excited and New York too. NY was closer to being a red state than Texas being a blue one.

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8,496,883 people cast ballots in New York State in 2020 for either Trump or Biden. Extrapolating at 92% reporting, there will be 8,434,878 in 2024, with Harris losing about 5%.

Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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Cheating didn't account for the entire delta. But it damn sure accounts for a big portion of it.

Look at the truck drivers story about hauling in boxes of ballots from NY to PA. Is he still just lying his ass off or does it seem more plausible that the cheat was in, the ballots were manufactured, republican proctors were forced out, so the activists could scan as many votes as needed.

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He may not have been lying his ass off, but no one could corroborate his story. If there's a group of federal law enforcement that has any integrity, the United States Postal Inspection Service is one of them (pro tip: if you ever find yourself committing mail fraud, and the USPIS is onto you, you might as well plead guilty and get it over with).