And ... Biden did it while it was obvious that he had dementia.Quote:
Also, Bidet got 16 million more votes in 2020 than Shrillary in 2016.
The Kraken said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
They??
BCG Disciple said:
Are we done with the count yet? I'm seeing Trump at 76.4mm and Kamala at 73.8mm. Trump up over 2020, and Kamala down.
I'm guessing we'll never see the misleading 65mm charts again.
aggiehawg said:But total votes including third party votes can be telling as well. To me anyway. Did the thrd parties perform better or worse than in 2020?HTownAg98 said:aggiehawg said:
I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?
Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.
So there should be a separate thread to talk about the small number of important votes in swing states.captkirk said:Biden won by about 50,000 votes in three swing states. No need to forge millions of votesHTownAg98 said:BadMoonRisin said:HTownAg98 said:
You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.
Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.
The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.
Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period
Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.
HowdyTexasAggies said:15 million people just decided not to vote this year? Sure OK.AgLA06 said:Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.HowdyTexasAggies said:uneedastraw said:
My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.
Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.
Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
wannaggie said:Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
In January/February of 2020 all the momentum was with Trump, and Democrats were bemoaning their poor chances. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberately "Let's release a virus to upset Trump's re-election" because a global pandemic is not a shaped demolition charge you can control; it's a stick of dynamite tossed into a pile of rocks. But I do think the Democrats perfectly exploited it and amplified the fear/danger of it as a means of castrating Trump's biggest weapon -- the media buzz.
Trump sucks at communicating clear policy details and consistent messaging, but he knows how to keep people focused on him. If you're talking about Trump even if it's to hate him, he's winning. It was a perfect chance to suddenly appeal to all the LIVs and centrists with "When disaster strikes, we need the government to save us, feed us, send us money, give us test kits and develop vaccines, etc..." People suddenly decided they wanted a big nanny government. Trump, the person, tumbled from the top of the news cycle. The Presidency itself seemed less important. Suddenly CDC scientists, federal agency heads, county commissioners/judges , and bureaucrats up and down the chain were our rulers. That's not a time for people to turn to conservative principles of small government and self reliance if they don't already believe firmly in those principles.
We know the answer to this but to suggest it is to make you a denier.OdessaAg said:
Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????
I'd like to suggest that his policies are very clear to you because you are predisposed to excuse the vagaries and seeming contradictions to listen for the overall message, and it also helps that the tribal in-group identity and overall message is one you are more comfortable with, so your brain spackles over the lumps and bumps with the big picture as you see it.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
In January/February of 2020 all the momentum was with Trump, and Democrats were bemoaning their poor chances. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberately "Let's release a virus to upset Trump's re-election" because a global pandemic is not a shaped demolition charge you can control; it's a stick of dynamite tossed into a pile of rocks. But I do think the Democrats perfectly exploited it and amplified the fear/danger of it as a means of castrating Trump's biggest weapon -- the media buzz.
Trump sucks at communicating clear policy details and consistent messaging, but he knows how to keep people focused on him. If you're talking about Trump even if it's to hate him, he's winning. It was a perfect chance to suddenly appeal to all the LIVs and centrists with "When disaster strikes, we need the government to save us, feed us, send us money, give us test kits and develop vaccines, etc..." People suddenly decided they wanted a big nanny government. Trump, the person, tumbled from the top of the news cycle. The Presidency itself seemed less important. Suddenly CDC scientists, federal agency heads, county commissioners/judges , and bureaucrats up and down the chain were our rulers. That's not a time for people to turn to conservative principles of small government and self reliance if they don't already believe firmly in those principles.
I think his policies are very clear. He's just very abrasive in his communication style, same as Saban at Bama. Great coach, but not the most likable person. Get around that, and he's pretty good at what he does.
OdessaAg said:
Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????
wannaggie said:I'd like to suggest that his policies are very clear to you because you are predisposed to excuse the vagaries and seeming contradictions to listen for the overall message, and it also helps that the tribal in-group identity and overall message is one you are more comfortable with, so your brain spackles over the lumps and bumps with the big picture as you see it.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
In January/February of 2020 all the momentum was with Trump, and Democrats were bemoaning their poor chances. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberately "Let's release a virus to upset Trump's re-election" because a global pandemic is not a shaped demolition charge you can control; it's a stick of dynamite tossed into a pile of rocks. But I do think the Democrats perfectly exploited it and amplified the fear/danger of it as a means of castrating Trump's biggest weapon -- the media buzz.
Trump sucks at communicating clear policy details and consistent messaging, but he knows how to keep people focused on him. If you're talking about Trump even if it's to hate him, he's winning. It was a perfect chance to suddenly appeal to all the LIVs and centrists with "When disaster strikes, we need the government to save us, feed us, send us money, give us test kits and develop vaccines, etc..." People suddenly decided they wanted a big nanny government. Trump, the person, tumbled from the top of the news cycle. The Presidency itself seemed less important. Suddenly CDC scientists, federal agency heads, county commissioners/judges , and bureaucrats up and down the chain were our rulers. That's not a time for people to turn to conservative principles of small government and self reliance if they don't already believe firmly in those principles.
I think his policies are very clear. He's just very abrasive in his communication style, same as Saban at Bama. Great coach, but not the most likable person. Get around that, and he's pretty good at what he does.
To the ~70 million voters who voted against him, his policies are not clear.
Those people are not predisposed to listen for the overall message.
They hear vagaries and assume it mean's he's lying or making it up as he goes along.
They hear seeming contradictions, and those seem like actual contradictions.
It also worsens things that his tribal identity and overall message is one they are not comfortable with, so their brain fills in the lumps and bumps with all the terrible possibilities as they see them.
The data doesn't lie.WestAustinAg said:
Kamala is down 1.7 points from Trump. She has 7 million less votes than Biden fraudulently gathered 4 years ago.
wannaggie said:So there should be a separate thread to talk about the small number of important votes in swing states.captkirk said:Biden won by about 50,000 votes in three swing states. No need to forge millions of votesHTownAg98 said:BadMoonRisin said:HTownAg98 said:
You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.
Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.
The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.
Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period
Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.
This particular thread consists of people claiming 18 million votes were forged in 2020. If all it took was 50,000 votes in three states, why commit a massive forgery of 15% of the votes in the nation - which would absolutely leave some legally-actionable evidence. And yet, there has been none, despite multiple lawsuits and investigations desperately hunting for it.
Most of HW's issue was Ross Perot. That's how we got Slick Willie.BCG Disciple said:
The problem is the 81mm crowd continues to look stupid when they show bar graphs that jump the gun. 81mm to 65mm??? Oh wait, we mean 75mm.
Now it's no party can drop 8% in the election cycle! Clearly cheating in 2020!
Obama dropped 5% from 08 to 12.
HW dropped 20% from 88 to 92.
Just saying that it's not crazy when the administration is not particularly popular.
BCG Disciple said:
The problem is the 81mm crowd continues to look stupid when they show bar graphs that jump the gun. 81mm to 65mm??? Oh wait, we mean 75mm.
Now it's no party can drop 8% in the election cycle! Clearly cheating in 2020!
Obama dropped 5% from 08 to 12.
HW dropped 20% from 88 to 92.
Just saying that it's not crazy when the administration is not particularly popular.
Do go ahead and itemize the clear policies he has stated and my statements disagreeing with those policies.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:I'd like to suggest that his policies are very clear to you because you are predisposed to excuse the vagaries and seeming contradictions to listen for the overall message, and it also helps that the tribal in-group identity and overall message is one you are more comfortable with, so your brain spackles over the lumps and bumps with the big picture as you see it.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
In January/February of 2020 all the momentum was with Trump, and Democrats were bemoaning their poor chances. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberately "Let's release a virus to upset Trump's re-election" because a global pandemic is not a shaped demolition charge you can control; it's a stick of dynamite tossed into a pile of rocks. But I do think the Democrats perfectly exploited it and amplified the fear/danger of it as a means of castrating Trump's biggest weapon -- the media buzz.
Trump sucks at communicating clear policy details and consistent messaging, but he knows how to keep people focused on him. If you're talking about Trump even if it's to hate him, he's winning. It was a perfect chance to suddenly appeal to all the LIVs and centrists with "When disaster strikes, we need the government to save us, feed us, send us money, give us test kits and develop vaccines, etc..." People suddenly decided they wanted a big nanny government. Trump, the person, tumbled from the top of the news cycle. The Presidency itself seemed less important. Suddenly CDC scientists, federal agency heads, county commissioners/judges , and bureaucrats up and down the chain were our rulers. That's not a time for people to turn to conservative principles of small government and self reliance if they don't already believe firmly in those principles.
I think his policies are very clear. He's just very abrasive in his communication style, same as Saban at Bama. Great coach, but not the most likable person. Get around that, and he's pretty good at what he does.
To the ~70 million voters who voted against him, his policies are not clear.
Those people are not predisposed to listen for the overall message.
They hear vagaries and assume it mean's he's lying or making it up as he goes along.
They hear seeming contradictions, and those seem like actual contradictions.
It also worsens things that his tribal identity and overall message is one they are not comfortable with, so their brain fills in the lumps and bumps with all the terrible possibilities as they see them.
Wow. You have some mental issues. Get over it or get help. He has clear policies you just don't agree with them.
Communication always involves at least two minds - the person who transmits and the person who receives.OMB100GAS said:
I get what you are trying to say, and you're near the target. The opposition to trump doesn't listen to him, that is all you need to know, and you sort of say that.
They only way they engage with trump is through a distorted lens presented by media influencers, so the vagueness is highlighted for people that already don't listen to trump
This does not mean his policies aren't clear. They are... if you listen
wannaggie said:Do go ahead and itemize the clear policies he has stated and my statements disagreeing with those policies.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:I'd like to suggest that his policies are very clear to you because you are predisposed to excuse the vagaries and seeming contradictions to listen for the overall message, and it also helps that the tribal in-group identity and overall message is one you are more comfortable with, so your brain spackles over the lumps and bumps with the big picture as you see it.nu awlins ag said:wannaggie said:Actually, I think this theory is MORE reasonable than 18 million forged votes that not a single investigation or lawsuit has found any legally-actionable proof for.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
In January/February of 2020 all the momentum was with Trump, and Democrats were bemoaning their poor chances. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberately "Let's release a virus to upset Trump's re-election" because a global pandemic is not a shaped demolition charge you can control; it's a stick of dynamite tossed into a pile of rocks. But I do think the Democrats perfectly exploited it and amplified the fear/danger of it as a means of castrating Trump's biggest weapon -- the media buzz.
Trump sucks at communicating clear policy details and consistent messaging, but he knows how to keep people focused on him. If you're talking about Trump even if it's to hate him, he's winning. It was a perfect chance to suddenly appeal to all the LIVs and centrists with "When disaster strikes, we need the government to save us, feed us, send us money, give us test kits and develop vaccines, etc..." People suddenly decided they wanted a big nanny government. Trump, the person, tumbled from the top of the news cycle. The Presidency itself seemed less important. Suddenly CDC scientists, federal agency heads, county commissioners/judges , and bureaucrats up and down the chain were our rulers. That's not a time for people to turn to conservative principles of small government and self reliance if they don't already believe firmly in those principles.
I think his policies are very clear. He's just very abrasive in his communication style, same as Saban at Bama. Great coach, but not the most likable person. Get around that, and he's pretty good at what he does.
To the ~70 million voters who voted against him, his policies are not clear.
Those people are not predisposed to listen for the overall message.
They hear vagaries and assume it mean's he's lying or making it up as he goes along.
They hear seeming contradictions, and those seem like actual contradictions.
It also worsens things that his tribal identity and overall message is one they are not comfortable with, so their brain fills in the lumps and bumps with all the terrible possibilities as they see them.
Wow. You have some mental issues. Get over it or get help. He has clear policies you just don't agree with them.
Of course, we both know you can't do that because your personal attack was manufactured based on nothing.
If you insist on seeing enemies everywhere, your vision will distort to give you that which you desire.
Instead, you could re-read the post and see that all I have done is to describe the process by which different people can hear the same words and have opposite reactions based on who they themselves are.... just as you, because of who you are, have read my post and you have been triggered to believe I must be someone who disagrees with Trump, even though nowhere in my post did I mention a specific policy or make any statement about whether Trump is wrong or right about anything. Conversely, just two posts below yours someone else understood that I am pointing out the psychology of how people hear what they want, and Truth is secondary. Ironic, yes?
To the contrary of what you were triggered into assuming, I think Trump's actual intentions are significantly more banal and benign than is portrayed in the media. Indeed, from 2016-2020 I spent a good bit of effort Trumpsplaining to people how what they heard wasn't the awful thing they think he meant. Trump is not the CTO or CFO who comes in and delivers the 50-slide 8-bullets-per-slide analysis of the organization's physical asset depreciation/refresh cycle. I don't know him personally, so I can't say whether or not he CAN be that guy. But I suspect it's moot because I don't think he has any interest in being that guy. He doesn't want to be your accountant or your systems analyst. I think that would bore the **** out of him. And it's good that people like him exist, because in the body are many parts, and we all have different gifts.
But since you choose to bring it up out of nowhere, I admit I am curious if "mental issues" is your go-to method for re-centering yourself and your feelings/opinions every time you encounter an expression of an idea outside your own comfort one, or is that subject perhaps something closer to home and weighing on your heart? Since you introduced the subject of mental issues to this thread, I know you'll recognize that it opens the door to questioning your mental triggers as well, if someone were - like you - curiously fixated on mental health.
StillNotAnAggie said:
Does anyone really think Joe got more votes than Obama, a lot more votes? No f'ing way.
