Cool - to be clear, I think there was cheating and when I saw the 81 vs 67m #, I was excited to jump into the state by state data. It wasn't as clear as my initial hypothesis. Next step would be to go county by county in PA to see what those differences are.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:
Why are you arguing that something so simple to pull off is next to impossible? All you have to do is obtain lists of people, targeting those you know are very unlikely to vote, and send in a mail vote for them. It's extremely easy and no way to trace it. That's exactly what they did during Covid. And, if they did already vote, who cares.
I agree with this. The biggest question and why I'm so confused is what stopped them from doing it again this time. It's not like mail in ballots went away in the blue wall states.
bowhuntr said:
Cool - to be clear, I think there was cheating and when I saw the 81 vs 67m #, I was excited to jump into the state by state data. It wasn't as clear as my initial hypothesis. Next step would be to go county by county in PA to see what those differences are.
Bingo. It didn't add up in 2020 and it doesn't today. Something extremely janky occurred in 2020. You don't "randomly" lose out on 15-17 million votes.
Stop blaming everyone else for the Republican party's failed leadership.HowdyTexasAggies said:AgLA06 said:Stressboy said:YokelRidesAgain said:I do not believe for a moment that a massive scheme, a la "itzaconspiracy, ballot printer goes brrrrrrr!" made 15 million ballots materialize from thin air.Stressboy said:
Maybe a lot of those "first time voters" in 2020 really didn't fill out their own ballots.
On the other hand, I'm sure that there were plenty of votes in 2020 where one person filled out a ballot for herself and her spouse, or an adult child "helped" an elderly relative vote. On both sides.
Heck, my ex-wife's mom requested an absentee ballot for ex-wife and voted (for Dubya) in Broward County, FL in 2000. Was that fraud? Yup. A felony? Yup. A contributor to a vote margin of less than 600 votes that altered the course of American history? Yup.
But short of ex-MIL running down to the local FBI office and confessing, it was also entirely untraceable.
2020 was a demonstration that if you make it really, really easy for people to vote, more of them will do so. Most of them are on the up and up, but the price of that is you accept some percentage of fraud.
Personally, I think that the percentage of people who are willing to be dishonest probably doesn't break that much along party lines, but there's no way to prove that in a statistical sense.
If you don't think ballots sent wholesale to non clean voter roll addresses were not abused then I can't help you. Maybe when the votes are all counted it will just be a few million votes difference from 2020 but it's funny that all the suspect stuff happened in 5-7 counties in the country and all of them with mail in ballots.
Clean rolls, better oversight and the silent majority made our argument no longer important. That said republicans need to keep driving more election integrity.
4 years, countless lawsuits and investigations, absolutely no proof. It just makes those of us that Republican look bad when people continue to talk about weird kooky fairytales.
Especially if Trump ends up fairly close to Biden's 2020 number.
Vote harvesting with zero chain of custody isn't traceable. Thats not a fairytale by any stretch.
Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.HowdyTexasAggies said:uneedastraw said:
My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.
Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.
AgLA06 said:Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.HowdyTexasAggies said:uneedastraw said:
My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.
Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.
Biden won by about 50,000 votes in three swing states. No need to forge millions of votesHTownAg98 said:BadMoonRisin said:HTownAg98 said:
You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.
Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.
The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.
Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period
Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.
When Joe Biden dropped out, 15 million dead people didn't feel represented so they stayed in their graves and didn't vote.
AgLA06 said:Stop blaming everyone else for the Republican party's failed leadership.HowdyTexasAggies said:AgLA06 said:Stressboy said:YokelRidesAgain said:I do not believe for a moment that a massive scheme, a la "itzaconspiracy, ballot printer goes brrrrrrr!" made 15 million ballots materialize from thin air.Stressboy said:
Maybe a lot of those "first time voters" in 2020 really didn't fill out their own ballots.
On the other hand, I'm sure that there were plenty of votes in 2020 where one person filled out a ballot for herself and her spouse, or an adult child "helped" an elderly relative vote. On both sides.
Heck, my ex-wife's mom requested an absentee ballot for ex-wife and voted (for Dubya) in Broward County, FL in 2000. Was that fraud? Yup. A felony? Yup. A contributor to a vote margin of less than 600 votes that altered the course of American history? Yup.
But short of ex-MIL running down to the local FBI office and confessing, it was also entirely untraceable.
2020 was a demonstration that if you make it really, really easy for people to vote, more of them will do so. Most of them are on the up and up, but the price of that is you accept some percentage of fraud.
Personally, I think that the percentage of people who are willing to be dishonest probably doesn't break that much along party lines, but there's no way to prove that in a statistical sense.
If you don't think ballots sent wholesale to non clean voter roll addresses were not abused then I can't help you. Maybe when the votes are all counted it will just be a few million votes difference from 2020 but it's funny that all the suspect stuff happened in 5-7 counties in the country and all of them with mail in ballots.
Clean rolls, better oversight and the silent majority made our argument no longer important. That said republicans need to keep driving more election integrity.
4 years, countless lawsuits and investigations, absolutely no proof. It just makes those of us that Republican look bad when people continue to talk about weird kooky fairytales.
Especially if Trump ends up fairly close to Biden's 2020 number.
Vote harvesting with zero chain of custody isn't traceable. Thats not a fairytale by any stretch.
What the hell are you talking about? What I stated is fact, it's easy to cheat with no way to verify the origination of the vote. Are you disputing that? If so, you need a lesson in what Chain of Custody means.
There is reason if you want to ensure the popular vote narrative.captkirk said:Biden won by about 50,000 votes in three swing states. No need to forge millions of votesHTownAg98 said:BadMoonRisin said:HTownAg98 said:
You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.
Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.
The manpower it would take isn't so unfathomable considering Mark Zuckerberg dropped half a billion dollars into the election system to "help," count the votes, buddy.
Pull your head out. It was stolen. Period
Nah, I'm good. Some of us choose to live in the reality that there will always be some amount of fraud by bad actors, while also acknowledging that forging millions of ballots is next to impossible.
15 million people just decided not to vote this year? Sure OK.AgLA06 said:Or people could have voted. It's really sad when people talk about what could have happened.HowdyTexasAggies said:uneedastraw said:
My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.
Agree on all this, but they didn't have to go door to door, all they had to do was create them, send them in. There was zero chain of custody.
BREAKING: Christian leaders call an emergency meeting to discuss the possibility that the rapture has already occurred as 15 million democrat voters disappeared without a trace over night.
— Carpe Donktum🔹 (@CarpeDonktum) November 6, 2024
It's not hard. There was a huge push for mail in ballots in 2020. People were stuck in their houses, so they had more bandwidth to just pick up a pen and vote. Dem voters are way lazier than Republican voters. Make it that easy, and they will vote.
Without the push for mail in votes, the ones who barely paid attention, but still could take 2 minutes to fill out their ballot as they sat on their couch were not going to drive to wait an hour in line to vote.
Without the push for mail in votes, the ones who barely paid attention, but still could take 2 minutes to fill out their ballot as they sat on their couch were not going to drive to wait an hour in line to vote.
And just like that - magic!
— Sallie Borrink (@SallieBorrink) November 7, 2024
The Bellwether Counties all make sense again.
What could have possibly happened in 2020 to make it so inaccurate? If only we could know... pic.twitter.com/X8VKRinHWY
Phatbob said:
It's not hard. There was a huge push for mail in ballots in 2020. People were stuck in their houses, so they had more bandwidth to just pick up a pen and vote. Dem voters are way lazier than Republican voters. Make it that easy, and they will vote.
Without the push for mail in votes, the ones who barely paid attention, but still could take 2 minutes to fill out their ballot as they sat on their couch were not going to drive to wait an hour in line to vote.
Nor drive to early vote, where lines were shorter. Just more excuse making….
Flashback to when they bamboozled all you rubes with masks big enough to where 81M made sense.
You wanted to believe, didn't you?
We need to accept the 2020 election. Harris will be about 7M short of 2020 count. The Democrats fooled the American voters into thinking a Biden administration would rule from the center. The Democratic parties' failures to shift their radical left wing agenda to center cost them the 2024 election.
You posters believing in the 2020 most secure election are being spoonfed a bunch of malarkey.
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
OdessaAg said:
Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????
He didn't.
If the RNC was smart and boy THEY AREN'T they should take out a national add campaign on milk cartons ect . for looking for 15 million missing voters. Last seen being mailed in during the 2020 campaign for President. With graph of historic election numbers to show the absolute aberration 2020 was.
#FJB
Total votes in 2020: 155,508,985
Total votes counted so far for 2024: 150,166,087
A five million vote difference.
Total votes counted so far for 2024: 150,166,087
A five million vote difference.
I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?
EX TEXASEX said:
If the RNC was smart and boy THEY AREN'T they should take out a national add campaign on milk cartons ect . for looking for 15 million missing voters. Last seen being mailed in during the 2020 campaign for President. With graph of historic election numbers to show the absolute aberration 2020 was.
The delta is roughly 7-8MM now, and still narrowing. So you're only off by about 100%.
aggiehawg said:
I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?
Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.
But total votes including third party votes can be telling as well. To me anyway. Did the thrd parties perform better or worse than in 2020?HTownAg98 said:aggiehawg said:
I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?
Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.
it was stolen. period.
My pronouns are AFUERA/AHORA!
aggiehawg said:But total votes including third party votes can be telling as well. To me anyway. Did the thrd parties perform better or worse than in 2020?HTownAg98 said:aggiehawg said:
I thought 2020 total was north of 158 million?
Those numbers are correct if you're looking at D vs. R. Total votes cast including third parties was over 158 MM.
I'll check in the morning. Ribs are on the kettle, and there's been day drinking involved.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
When you finally realize they unleashed a biological weapon on the planet to keep Trump from cruising to reelection in 2020, and then he goes on to win by a landslide in 2024.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!
They??
No rush. Several states are still counting anyway.Quote:
I'll check in the morning. Ribs are on the kettle, and there's been day drinking involved.
Bon Appetit! Enjoy your evening.
The reason the "delta" is still there is because of the states that still allow ZERO voter ID and massively corrupt mail-in ballots…
Without vigilance on the part of the Trump and GOP team, the steal would have happened in '24…
Dems have NEVER and will NEVER see 81MM in my lifetime, as long as they aren't cheating….
Without vigilance on the part of the Trump and GOP team, the steal would have happened in '24…
Dems have NEVER and will NEVER see 81MM in my lifetime, as long as they aren't cheating….
Are we done with the count yet? I'm seeing Trump at 76.4mm and Kamala at 73.8mm. Trump up over 2020, and Kamala down.
I'm guessing we'll never see the misleading 65mm charts again.
I'm guessing we'll never see the misleading 65mm charts again.
maroonthrunthru said:
The reason the "delta" is still there is because of the states that still allow ZERO voter ID and massively corrupt mail-in ballots…
Without vigilance on the part of the Trump and GOP team, the steal would have happened in '24…
Dems have NEVER and will NEVER see 81MM in my lifetime, as long as they aren't cheating….
That's not why.
Plus, the simple math of population growth will say otherwise. Someone will crack the 80MM mark in 2028 or 2032z
Who says the dems didn't cheat in 2024? Look at all the down ballot races being won by dems in states STILL counting ballots 12 days after the election, fraudulent or not.
Also, Bidet got 16 million more votes in 2020 than Shrillary in 2016. Who says the dems didn't do the same thing in 2024, except for increased Rep diligence? People keep making excuses for lawbreaking dems when it's pretty obvious they're cheating. . .again.
Also, Bidet got 16 million more votes in 2020 than Shrillary in 2016. Who says the dems didn't do the same thing in 2024, except for increased Rep diligence? People keep making excuses for lawbreaking dems when it's pretty obvious they're cheating. . .again.
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