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Yes the speech was long.

Contrast it with BILL CLINTON speeches where he talked FOREVER.

Except Trump is 35+ years older and still is able to do that.

UNLIKE...a certain someone that was not named during the speech.

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Named once.

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I guess I missed it. I was listening in the background....

Trump still had his default narcissistic tone towards the end. But pretty much all modern politicians do. Unless you get a Rand Paul type up there, you are gonna get what we saw. Would have been better to be shorter, he had a great start. Then he migrated from appealing to non-MAGA voters, to a love fest with the base.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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That's the point…he gave media and Dems all kinds of material to pull out of context and instead of people seeing headlines saying "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" tomorrow, they'll see "same old bragging, lying Trump." When they tune into their dumb shows like the view or morning Joe, they'll be saying the same old stuff instead of saying he was surprisingly less inflammatory and seemingly humbled. Never let a disaster go to waste, right? Well, all that sympathetic equity he'd built up with moderates and potential swing voters largely wiped out with that speech. I'm still just so confused why he did that, when literally saying nothing would've been a grand slam. It's just a bit infuriating.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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Here's the bottom line….if you're really still "undecided," a speech longer than planned isn't going to sway you one way or the other. Anyone still "undecided" at this point is really just lying

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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That's the point…he gave media and Dems all kinds of material to pull out of context and instead of people seeing headlines saying "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" tomorrow, they'll see "same old bragging, lying Trump." When they tune into their dumb shows like the view or morning Joe, they'll be saying the same old stuff instead of saying he was surprisingly less inflammatory and seemingly humbled. Never let a disaster go to waste, right? Well, all that sympathetic equity he'd built up with moderates and potential swing voters largely wiped out with that speech. I'm still just so confused why he did that, when literally saying nothing would've been a grand slam. It's just a bit infuriating.

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You think there's a media outlet that would have said "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" with just the first 30 minutes that now will say "same old bragging, lying Trump?" You have WAY more faith in media than I do.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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That's the point…he gave media and Dems all kinds of material to pull out of context and instead of people seeing headlines saying "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" tomorrow, they'll see "same old bragging, lying Trump." When they tune into their dumb shows like the view or morning Joe, they'll be saying the same old stuff instead of saying he was surprisingly less inflammatory and seemingly humbled. Never let a disaster go to waste, right? Well, all that sympathetic equity he'd built up with moderates and potential swing voters largely wiped out with that speech. I'm still just so confused why he did that, when literally saying nothing would've been a grand slam. It's just a bit infuriating.

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You think there's a media outlet that would have said "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" with just the first 30 minutes that now will say "same old bragging, lying Trump?" You have WAY more faith in media than I do.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

If you take an edible and rewatch Trump's speech imagining that he is on 2 hydrocodones or a 5mg of medicinal, he MURDERS IT. I know he doesn't drink but it was like he slammed 1-2 Irish car bombs with Kid Rock backstage. That was awesome. A more relaxed, raw Trump.

One of the best presidential speeches of my life.

Dude called out Nayib Bukele!

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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That's the point…he gave media and Dems all kinds of material to pull out of context and instead of people seeing headlines saying "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" tomorrow, they'll see "same old bragging, lying Trump." When they tune into their dumb shows like the view or morning Joe, they'll be saying the same old stuff instead of saying he was surprisingly less inflammatory and seemingly humbled. Never let a disaster go to waste, right? Well, all that sympathetic equity he'd built up with moderates and potential swing voters largely wiped out with that speech. I'm still just so confused why he did that, when literally saying nothing would've been a grand slam. It's just a bit infuriating.

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You think there's a media outlet that would have said "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" with just the first 30 minutes that now will say "same old bragging, lying Trump?" You have WAY more faith in media than I do.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

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Umm he has not spoken since he was shot.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Had Trump stuck to a 20 minute speech, the talking points from Wallace and media like him would have been "Trump is more subdued" to put doubt in his condition post-tragedy - and they would have found something to pick apart from the humility/unification part of the speech. They were never going to give him an A+ for whatever he said tonight.

But this is what's been said about Trump for the past decade - "He could have knocked it out of the park, but he had to keep on talking and getting in jabs". There's positives and negatives with that. I maintain is still mostly positives because he's drilling away at the problems - when no one else is going to do that for him.

I disagree this was a missed opportunity overall. While he could have gone shorter, this entire convention was a resounding success and promoted a united, focused, and determined Republican Party that values the voices of ordinary Americans.

The Dems have 90% of the media doing their bidding. Republicans have to get the message out themselves. There's no way Trump was going to stick to only unification and reflection from last week. He's going to hammer away at the problems in this country and how the Democrats have done a horrible job...because who else is going to tell that story? Certainly not Chris Wallace.

It doesn't really matter what he said. D*ms hate him with a deep burning vitriol. They have nothing but deep seated resentment for the guy. They were going to attack him like a pit bull for whatever he said, and however long he talked. 30 minute speech? They would have said he went too short, lost opportunity to show resilience etc.

This was awesome, and it was the speech he wanted to give. Massive respect.

Just listened to Byron Donalds, Republican HOR out of Florida on CNN. That dude has a future. He's 45. Took everything CNN dished out and gained their respect. That's what's needed.

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Had Trump stuck to a 20 minute speech, the talking points from Wallace and media like him would have been "Trump is more subdued" to put doubt in his condition post-tragedy - and they would have found something to pick apart from the humility/unification part of the speech. They were never going to give him an A+ for whatever he said tonight.

But this is what's been said about Trump for the past decade - "He could have knocked it out of the park, but he had to keep on talking and getting in jabs". There's positives and negatives with that. I maintain is still mostly positives because he's drilling away at the problems - when no one else is going to do that for him.

I disagree this was a missed opportunity overall. While he could have gone shorter, this entire convention was a resounding success and promoted a united, focused, and determined Republican Party that values the voices of ordinary Americans.

The Dems have 90% of the media doing their bidding. Republicans have to get the message out themselves. There's no way Trump was going to stick to only unification and reflection from last week. He's going to hammer away at the problems in this country and how the Democrats have done a horrible job...because who else is going to tell that story? Certainly not Chris Wallace.

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Just listened to Byron Donalds, Republican HOR out of Florida on CNN. That dude has a future. He's 45. Took everything CNN dished out and gained their respect. That's what's needed.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

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You honestly think that was going to last?

They were giving it a week because of the tragedy, and because they had no talking points to fall back on because of what happened to him, but it wasn't tonight's speech they would have found something to hate him for. The shooting wasn't going to change the media's tone for good, when 90% of them support the Dems.

If Biden does in fact step aside in the coming days, they were going to be ready to prop up the next favorite for the Dem nomination and get back to hating Trump.

He stated he's running for the entire nation, but he's going to point out the problems he sees with the country and our policies. If that 'loses voters' - they were never going to vote for him anyway. In fact, outside of 'Crazy Nancy' and one mention of Biden...his 'rally speech' was actually very tame and didn't name names. It was long, but that's what he does.

The election wasn't going to be won or lose on tonight's speech. It was about setting a tone. Yes, Trump wants to unify, but he's always been about displaying confidence and strength - he was never going to cut his off-script campaign style.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

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You honestly think that was going to last?

They were giving it a week because of the tragedy, and because they had no talking points to fall back on because of what happened to him, but it wasn't tonight's speech they would have found something to hate him for. The shooting wasn't going to change the media's tone for good, when 90% of them support the Dems.

If Biden does in fact step aside in the coming days, they were going to be ready to prop up the next favorite for the Dem nomination and get back to hating Trump.

He stated he's running for the entire nation, but he's going to point out the problems he sees with the country and our policies. If that 'loses voters' - they were never going to vote for him anyway. In fact, outside of 'Crazy Nancy' and one mention of Biden...his 'rally speech' was actually very tame and didn't name names. It was long, but that's what he does.

The election wasn't going to be won or lose on tonight's speech. It was about setting a tone. Yes, Trump wants to unify, but he's always been about displaying confidence and strength - he was never going to cut his off-script campaign style.

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Nah, I knew it wouldn't last, but might as well milk it as long as you can. Besides crazy Nancy, he should've skipped the stolen election stuff which he mentioned probably 5-6 times in various ways. Like why even bring it up at all? Also the comment about illegals stealing black and Hispanic jobs was a bit awkward. Anyways, it's one speech and not a disaster, just could've been better

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Melania put her foot down. She said if the SS cannot protect DJT from a 20 year old I will not trust them to protect my son.

What did Dennis Quaid say on CNN? I didn't catch it. Sounds like he's Trump but he wants to work with Blue. Probably to save his ass. I played at a black jack table in Vegas with that dude about 20 years ago. He was a pretty funny guy.

Best darn Trump speech ever!

Does Trump ever have to go to the bathroom? I guess not, since he drank no water.

This didn't make some of the prime time coverage but a great speech

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell delivers a powerful speech at the RNC:

"Can you imagine President Donald Trump coming to a city and calling a pastor like me — a pastor who was born and raised on the east side of Detroit? I was mentored by murderers, I was a student of the street, but I had… pic.twitter.com/BD8HpTm14j

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) July 19, 2024

It's not really surprising but notable. Not surprising because he's had a Buch c*** in his mouth his entire adult life, but reviewing all sorts of footage on X caught this screenshot of the Fox News booth during Trump's speech all the occupants were watching except for one.



GFY Karl Rove

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We're trying to win an election and sway voters who'd ordinarily vote dem. Sorry, but tonight was a missed opportunity. It wasn't a disaster, but a missed opportunity for sure. He should've stuck to the humility/unification tone, been short and sweet on how he's focused on fixing the border, inflation, foreign relations, etc. Instead, he rambled on for 45 mins too long and opened up the door for criticism.

I'm not a Chris Wallace fan, obviously….but agree with what he just said on CNN, which was that Trump could've kept it short and sweet and shut the door on this election. Instead, he just opened the door a bit unnecessarily.

Put the opposition hat on. You have to if you want to win. Tonight could've been a slam dunk. Missed opportunity unfortunately.

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Chris Wallace would never say Trump nailed anything. Even if he did exactly what was described, there is zero chance Chris Wallace would have said Trump shut the door on the election. That was the most tame and unifying Trump has ever been while staying on brand and bringing substance.

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Again, take your Trump fan Republican hat off. That's what I'm trying to do. He could've said anything up there and you and I would still vote for the guy. That's not what tonight was for. The world's eyes were on him and he missed an opportunity. It went from humble and toned down to grandstanding and controversial comments…which didn't have to be made. We know the 2020 election was rigged…not the point tonight, yet he made probably 5 comments about cheating in 2020. Why?! Nothing matters if he misses the WH. Why the **** would he take any risks tonight or until November. Just get back into the WH and then brag as much as you want. It's not hard. You can't do anything if you don't win. It's not the time to take risks.

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I guess where we disagree is I don't think the world's eyes were on him. Political junkies' eyes were on him. How many people watch the RNC or DNC nominee speech? I can't imagine it's a large number. No matter what he says in that speech, nobody watching is going to change his or her mind.

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That's the point…he gave media and Dems all kinds of material to pull out of context and instead of people seeing headlines saying "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" tomorrow, they'll see "same old bragging, lying Trump." When they tune into their dumb shows like the view or morning Joe, they'll be saying the same old stuff instead of saying he was surprisingly less inflammatory and seemingly humbled. Never let a disaster go to waste, right? Well, all that sympathetic equity he'd built up with moderates and potential swing voters largely wiped out with that speech. I'm still just so confused why he did that, when literally saying nothing would've been a grand slam. It's just a bit infuriating.

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You think there's a media outlet that would have said "Trump more humble and less controversial than usual" with just the first 30 minutes that now will say "same old bragging, lying Trump?" You have WAY more faith in media than I do.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

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As a more middle of the road conservative, you are 100% correct. It's true what they say: democrats do what is necessary to win and play chess.

GOP is playing checkers. It was a completely missed opportunity for Trump to come out and convince the 10% of America that thinks Joe and the dems were awful leaders.

He needed to pretend to speak for the independents, but he went far right.

It seems pretty clear from his picking Vance that he's not worried about his prospects at the moment.

It seems pretty clear from his picking Vance that he's not worried about his prospects at the moment.

How big was the appearance fee they payed Melania to get her to stand on the stage with Trump and act cordial?

I know it is popular to crap on Rove for a host of reasons, but he has done a lot behind the scenes to help Republicans, especially in Texas. He set up a group to identify people that move to Texas from other states that have voted In Republican primaries or were registered Republicans In their state they came from and gets them registered in Texas. That group has also worked to identify people that would identify as Republican here already but did not register. In the last two cycles they have identified and registered 450,000 plus Texans that are Republicans. His work is going to go a long way in making sure we stay a red state.

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How big was the appearance fee they payed Melania to get her to stand on the stage with Trump and act cordial?

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Less than you pay for access to this site.

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I know it is popular to crap on Rove for a host of reasons, but he has done a lot behind the scenes to help Republicans, especially in Texas. He set up a group to identify people that move to Texas from other states that have voted In Republican primaries or were registered Republicans In their state they came from and gets them registered in Texas. That group has also worked to identify people that would identify as Republican here already but did not register. In the last two cycles they have identified and registered 450,000 plus Texans that are Republicans. His work is going to go a long way in making sure we stay a red state.

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He could also have been watching it on his phone so he could hear through hearing aids.

KAI TRUMP!

President Trumps granddaughter ♥️

L👀k at her go!

Love her name.

It seems oddly familiar 🤔 pic.twitter.com/MTIC78Kb0R

— EARTH!🇺🇸 (@earthing5000) July 19, 2024

I think some of y'all are just way overthinking this. I agree the speech ran long but honestly, the Dems have created so many problems, its just that much to address. Besides the first 45 minutes were really likely what most were watching and Trump was humble and talked about unity during that time.

Still, he could have given the perfect speech middle of the road unity etc that y'all wanted and in a day or two the media and Dems would have resumed bashing him and MAGA for something. 10 years worth of vitriol and irrational hate and decades long leftist bias isn't just wiped out from a couple hours speech.

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That's exactly what a lot of them had been saying…not the far left folks from MSNBC or WAPO, etc, but it's been shocking how tame a lot of the CNN folks had been all week and since the shooting. It was the tamest they'd been since 2015. Now they're all back on the Trump hate train. Tonight's speech shouldn't have been for the base. Those votes are locked up. Tonight's speech was supposed to be for the masses. He literally started the speech by saying he's not running for half the nation only and then regressed to a full on trump base pep rally by the end. All in all, he didn't win votes tonight. At best, it's flat, but I personally think a lot of the votes for folks who were so disenfranchised with Biden to the point of begrudgingly going against their gut and voting for Trump are now at risk again. Just a shame. Dude could've literally done the first part of the speech and ended with "why vote for me? Because I'm going to clean up all the messes Joe made" and mic dropped and walked off the stage and would've gained many a vote tonight.

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You honestly think that was going to last?

They were giving it a week because of the tragedy, and because they had no talking points to fall back on because of what happened to him, but it wasn't tonight's speech they would have found something to hate him for. The shooting wasn't going to change the media's tone for good, when 90% of them support the Dems.

If Biden does in fact step aside in the coming days, they were going to be ready to prop up the next favorite for the Dem nomination and get back to hating Trump.

He stated he's running for the entire nation, but he's going to point out the problems he sees with the country and our policies. If that 'loses voters' - they were never going to vote for him anyway. In fact, outside of 'Crazy Nancy' and one mention of Biden...his 'rally speech' was actually very tame and didn't name names. It was long, but that's what he does.

The election wasn't going to be won or lose on tonight's speech. It was about setting a tone. Yes, Trump wants to unify, but he's always been about displaying confidence and strength - he was never going to cut his off-script campaign style.

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Nah, I knew it wouldn't last, but might as well milk it as long as you can. Besides crazy Nancy, he should've skipped the stolen election stuff which he mentioned probably 5-6 times in various ways. Like why even bring it up at all? Also the comment about illegals stealing black and Hispanic jobs was a bit awkward. Anyways, it's one speech and not a disaster, just could've been better

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It was overwhelmingly more of a positive than negative - especially when you pair it with how he handled last Saturday and the previous month with the Biden debate.

He's in as good of a position as you can ask for as the 'challenger' trying to unseat the incumbent.

🚨 Trump just sent a message to the Deep State

Just after Trumps speech, Opera Singer Sings “Nessun Dorma”

Nessun Dorma is played at the end of the film The Sum of All Fears, in which time ALL the traitors & Deep State Actors were executed.

The Sum of All Fears is mentioned… pic.twitter.com/OpTnt2Rq8X

— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) July 19, 2024

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What did Dennis Quaid say on CNN? I didn't catch it. Sounds like he's Trump but he wants to work with Blue. Probably to save his ass. I played at a black jack table in Vegas with that dude about 20 years ago. He was a pretty funny guy.

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Dennis Quaid has come out supporting Trump. He plays Reagan in the new 'Reagan' movie that comes out next month.

There's a video of him going on The View a couple years ago when the movie was first announced, and it's an entertaining watch. He gushes over Reagan...and all of them have to keep their composure as they discuss it with him. He was all smiles.

It sounds like Quaid's in this stage of his career where he's embraced who he is and doesn't care what other people think about it. But he's still a fantastic actor that's in some major projects.

Did she say 29 in 9 holes and 66 in 18? Geeez

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KAI TRUMP!

President Trumps granddaughter ♥️

L👀k at her go!

Love her name.

It seems oddly familiar 🤔 pic.twitter.com/MTIC78Kb0R

— EARTH!🇺🇸 (@earthing5000) July 19, 2024

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