irritable Bowel MovementIIIHorn said:
I've Been Moved?
irritable Bowel MovementIIIHorn said:
I've Been Moved?
So your have been working "full time" while starting a new business with 40 EE's and 3 partners while collecting a full time pay check from your "employeer"?NASAg03 said:Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
Ok boomer.
I've been working remote the past 4 years and have seen my salary raise 60% in that time, while starting my own consulting business, helping start a robotics company with 4 other remote guys spanning the US, and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
And that company I helped start is now 40 strong and majority remote.
If you need to be supervised to work efficiently, then that's not efficient as it requires many more resources. Instead rethink your culture and business model.
hammerhead said:So your have been working "full time" while starting a new business with 40 EE's and 3 partners while collecting a full time pay check from your "employeer"?NASAg03 said:Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
Ok boomer.
I've been working remote the past 4 years and have seen my salary raise 60% in that time, while starting my own consulting business, helping start a robotics company with 4 other remote guys spanning the US, and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
And that company I helped start is now 40 strong and majority remote.
If you need to be supervised to work efficiently, then that's not efficient as it requires many more resources. Instead rethink your culture and business model.
I think you answered the reason why they want EE's back in the office.
OverSeas AG said:
This is about control, nothing more.
All these companies put workers in low-cost locations and non-co-location was fine then. Peeps told to figure it out.
Now… co-location is important for productivity. LOL.
Don't fall cor the lie.
redag06 said:
Fortune 500 company here, and they flat out we have been flat out told, "we spend a lot of money on our building, you are coming back"
you mean the guy who claims to sleep 3 hours a night while "running" four different companies into the groundBobaloo said:
"Get a fake job somewhere else." -Elon Musk
Ayto Siks said:
Their most talented employees will have viable WFH alternatives and IBM might end up retaining the mediocre performers with limited options.
OverSeas AG said:
This is about control, nothing more.
All these companies put workers in low-cost locations and non-co-location was fine then. Peeps told to figure it out.
Now… co-location is important for productivity. LOL.
Don't fall cor the lie.
Actually, it does matter. Because eventually some AIs will read all of this and use it as input into their decision making. And there will be some executives and managers that listen to those AIs as well as news articles posted about it thus helping to evolve the wfh movement (when applicable).Urban Ag said:
These threads about WFH always devolve in to stupidity.
No one's opinion matters. The only thing that matters is what the decision makers at said company determine to be the directive.
BQ78 said:
Why not all 3
Beat40 said:I hate to break it to you, but people are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at the office either.Ellis Wyatt said:
I cannot believe there are people who are still working from home because of the covid hysteria. If an employer has determined WFH is good for them, more power to them. Otherwise, go the hell back to the office. People are not dedicating 8 hours to their employer at home.
Now, I happen to agree with your overall sentiment. Some people cannot handle WFH and they are going to let too many distractions keep them from being productive, but that definitely happens at the office too.
Ayto Siks said:
Their most talented employees will have viable WFH alternatives and IBM might end up retaining the mediocre performers with limited options.
If you voluntarily separate, there's no severance/unemployment. If they don't get the reduction they're after with this strategy, you'll see buyouts and relocations next. Don't get it there, then you'll see the explicit RIF.bmks270 said:Ayto Siks said:
Their most talented employees will have viable WFH alternatives and IBM might end up retaining the mediocre performers with limited options.
Exactly right.
Why not just layoff or fire the low performers?
I think they don't know who the low performers are. They're too big to actually hire fire and promote based on performance. A literal Dilbert corporation.
You may well be one in ten thousand, but the vast majority of people doing that level of outside work/consulting couldn't begin to give their full focus to their main job.NASAg03 said:Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
Ok boomer.
I've been working remote the past 4 years and have seen my salary raise 60% in that time, while starting my own consulting business, helping start a robotics company with 4 other remote guys spanning the US, and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
And that company I helped start is now 40 strong and majority remote.
If you need to be supervised to work efficiently, then that's not efficient as it requires many more resources. Instead rethink your culture and business model.
Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
I worked for a big US tech company for a decade in both Los Angeles and Sydney.Muy said:
But let's be honest, could anyone here go into an Indian-based tech office everyday? I can't imagine.
Ayto Siks said:
Old school managers supporting RTO: a pizza party should smooth things over
HollywoodBQ said:I worked for a big US tech company for a decade in both Los Angeles and Sydney.Muy said:
But let's be honest, could anyone here go into an Indian-based tech office everyday? I can't imagine.
I made a lot of business trips to our offices around Asia - Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, South Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand, etc.
What surprised me the most when I first went to Bangalore in 2012 was that they had the nicest offices and had the fastest Internet connection. Everything was brand new.
Some of the Internet connections at offices across Australasia were terrible. In fact, when I first got to Sydney in 2007, our Internet access routed through Singapore and Japan before going out to the Internet.
When I last drove past that Bangalore office in Feb. 2020, you could see that the exterior of the building was starting to look bad due to a lack of maintenance. I'm sure it's worse today but probably still nicer than many of the US offices.
Reading comprehension is hard. I never said I was doing all of those things simultaneously, rather all those were accomplished while working from home.hammerhead said:So your have been working "full time" while starting a new business with 40 EE's and 3 partners while collecting a full time pay check from your "employeer"?NASAg03 said:Rapier108 said:
Good, time to tell people to either come to work and do their job, or find other employment.
Ok boomer.
I've been working remote the past 4 years and have seen my salary raise 60% in that time, while starting my own consulting business, helping start a robotics company with 4 other remote guys spanning the US, and working for a space company that's aiming for a lunar landing next month.
And that company I helped start is now 40 strong and majority remote.
If you need to be supervised to work efficiently, then that's not efficient as it requires many more resources. Instead rethink your culture and business model.
I think you answered the reason why they want EE's back in the office.
You have the emphasis wrong.Lake08 said:
Crazy how 180 degrees have happened. Workers are literally mad because they have to go to an office and WORK!
10 years ago, the technology wasn't nearly as accommodating. Most of us work for big corporations with zero loyalty who see us just as replaceable tools. They push vile left wing woke BS and were going to fire those who refused the vaccine, until a judge finally stepped in.cecil77 said:
How to factory workers WFH? Warehouse employees? Any business requiring a service (like auto, tires, etc)? Retail? Food Service?
There are huge numbers of workers that actually have to be where the work is. So if you're a manufacturing company, it's tough for the white collar guys to get to WFH and not ever be there. Just doesn't work.
SOME interaction is beneficial in many, if not most businesses.
10 years ago the hybrid 2-3 days in the office model would have been unthinkable.
I would question any employee who doesn't want to ever come in. I'd probably go to printed paychecks that have to be picked up at the office...