Shoe lifts runs an awful campaign somehow is trump supporters fault ?? Y'all trump haters are delusional
Ag with kids said:He needs to stay TF out of the administration. It would taint him for both MAGA and Not Trump.Agthatbuilds said:TA-OP said:Science Denier said:
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
Interesting thought here… assuming no 2028 run, wouldn't the best way to catapult himself to the presidency be becoming governor in another conservative state (Texas?) and do what he did for Florida?
Senate might be a good option. Or a high level cabinet position should Trump win.
Otherwise, a talk show? Something to keep him top of mind in 2028. By then, we will probably have a whole new set of candidates
DannyDuberstein said:jja79 said:
DeSantis is a good governor, bad candidate. I like him but he puts people to sleep when he gets the microphone.
I think he's good in terms of historical politicians. Problem is Trump is WWE and his followers eat it up. We have a lot of dumb voters that care about the dumbest traits
Finn said:
You're the one playing games. Reality is this is a vote for Trump or Biden election. It really is a vote what's best for your family moment. If you do not agree then vote how you see fit. I choose to believe that when you break down everything we face Trump in this case is best for my family.
That means I choose to look past his personality flaws and focus on his record from term 1. I did well and my pocketbook fared better. I see the appeal for a better candidate but it is not an option that means anything. Get over it if you do not like Trump you cannot convince me Biden is a better option.
DannyDuberstein said:
Trump has too many hard core followers to beat him in a primary. Maybe there was a chance if the entire GOP threw its weight behind Desantis and only Desantis, but that didn't happen.
DeSantis will finish second tonight. Diagnosing his doomed from the start campaign is not hard and he did not do anything wrong really, he is getting second place in all the rural counties Trump is dominating in. People like him, they just like Trump more. Outside of the very small message board universe there are very few people who like one but don't like the other. If Trump doesn't exist he wins, but Trump does exist, so he was never going to win.Science Denier said:
This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.
Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.
He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.
And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.
YouBet said:Sq 17 said:Finn said:
Ron received bad advice to get into this race to begin with and should have sat this election out. It was not his time.
The only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thought Trump's legal issues would force Trump to withdraw and DeSantis would be ready to take the nomination.
What's truly baffling is Haley's rise to even or ahead of DeSantis
She's not that good of a politician,
has no built in constituency ,
has no policy points that she is winning on
is not really a conservative and
she is probably going to get to the convention with the second most delegates
Because she talks like she's conservative and most of the country has zero clue about her record in SC. Everyone that has heard her speak since this started sees a strong conservative outside of possibly 1-2 topics.
Im confused why this board almost unanimously says she's not. We are ignoring the rest of the country that doesn't follow politics like we do.
BoydCrowder13 said:
See Pence. Working for Trump does not benefit your political career.
Had he gone the sycophant VP route, there is a high likelihood he would be fully despised by Trump and MAGA by 2028.
If DeSantis did not do this, we would have never known if Trump was the right candidate.Science Denier said:
This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.
Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.
He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.
And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.
Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
No. You have a choice in the primary to NOT choose someone that will lose to Biden.Finn said:
You're the one playing games. Reality is this is a vote for Trump or Biden election. It really is a vote what's best for your family moment. If you do not agree then vote how you see fit. I choose to believe that when you break down everything we face Trump in this case is best for my family.
That means I choose to look past his personality flaws and focus on his record from term 1. I did well and my pocketbook fared better. I see the appeal for a better candidate but it is not an option that means anything. Get over it if you do not like Trump you cannot convince me Biden is a better option.
Ag87H2O said:Once Trump gets the nomination, we're going to see the biggest political bait and switch by the media in modern political history. Trump supporters are blinded to what's about to happen.Maroon Dawn said:
He's the best candidate out there but the media and Dems have masterfully manipulated the GOP base by making Trump a martyr to them and telling them the revenge they crave is guaranteed
Meanwhile Dems are working overtime to make sure there are no obstacles to the 20 million illegals they've allowed in can all vote for Biden in November
Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
Senate is really the only place right now...but I don't think those are open right now. Maybe go into political consulting (think tank stuff) for a period until 2028 and everyone is REALLY sick of the Dems having the White House then try again?Agthatbuilds said:Ag with kids said:He needs to stay TF out of the administration. It would taint him for both MAGA and Not Trump.Agthatbuilds said:TA-OP said:Science Denier said:
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
Interesting thought here… assuming no 2028 run, wouldn't the best way to catapult himself to the presidency be becoming governor in another conservative state (Texas?) and do what he did for Florida?
Senate might be a good option. Or a high level cabinet position should Trump win.
Otherwise, a talk show? Something to keep him top of mind in 2028. By then, we will probably have a whole new set of candidates
I agree unless it's something like UN rep or something that gets news.
The question was how does he stay relevant and I don't see how he can unless he gets a talk show, goes to the senate, or is a part of trumps administration
That was the argument in 2020...didn't work so well for America.Science Denier said:
Is the logic that the person that got more votes in history is going to lose to Biden, so we need to vote for the guy that's at least 30 points behind that guy? Because his campaign was such a failure? But that dude can beat Biden?
That's the logic here?
Really?
I just don't get that at all.
The Haley aren't holding their noses for Trump. We saw that in 2018-2023.Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
He did have the right message and the record of competence.sanangelo said:If DeSantis did not do this, we would have never known if Trump was the right candidate.Science Denier said:
This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.
Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.
He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.
And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.
DeSantis put in his all. He had what I thought was the right message and certainly a record of competence.
The Democrats did this to America. We are in a really bad place having to chose between Trump and Biden.
I pray Republicans come together and get behind Trump. He's vetted. Let's go and soundly defeat that nasty, corrupt FJB.
Science Denier said:Rapier108 said:So we need someone who is as cognitive/coherent as Biden was in 2020 and mostly talks about infantile nicknames?Rockdoc said:bmks270 said:
DeSantis is a weak orator.
I'm m beginning to lean this way. He just couldn't make the connection to the people.
That is why this country has become Idiocracy.
Actually, he mostly talks about policy and the leaders state we've become. But I get that all you may hear are nicknames. That's OK. The majority of voters hear everything else.
This is the point. MAGA has been TOLD what will happen and choose to ignore it. Then demand that people who told them must change their position.TRM said:The Haley aren't holding their noses for Trump. We saw that in 2018-2023.Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
You have to be able to navigate the system to fix it. That's how he was able to get Disney, he navigated the rules in place to take away their benefits.
Ag with kids said:That was the argument in 2020...didn't work so well for America.Science Denier said:
Is the logic that the person that got more votes in history is going to lose to Biden, so we need to vote for the guy that's at least 30 points behind that guy? Because his campaign was such a failure? But that dude can beat Biden?
That's the logic here?
Really?
I just don't get that at all.
Ag with kids said:He did have the right message and the record of competence.sanangelo said:If DeSantis did not do this, we would have never known if Trump was the right candidate.Science Denier said:
This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.
Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.
He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.
And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.
And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.
He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.
DeSantis put in his all. He had what I thought was the right message and certainly a record of competence.
The Democrats did this to America. We are in a really bad place having to chose between Trump and Biden.
I pray Republicans come together and get behind Trump. He's vetted. Let's go and soundly defeat that nasty, corrupt FJB.
What he couldn't overcome was blind loyalty to Trump. There are just too many people in MAGA that don't care about ANYTHING other than voting for Trump - policies, chances in the general, cognitive ability, etc. Just voting for Trump.
BTW, MAGA should not even try to blame Republicans that are currently telling them they won't vote for him - they ARE TELLING THEM REALITY. If they choose Trump, then they are ignoring reality. That's THEIR fault.
Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
BigRobSA said:Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
LOL
Trump is establishment like a mofo. RDS is a proven anti-establishment guy and anti-corruption. He wins while Trump gets gaped.
BigRobSA said:Tea Party said:Agthatbuilds said:
I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.
But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it
I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.
The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.
IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.
IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.
He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.
LOL
Trump is establishment like a mofo. RDS is a proven anti-establishment guy and anti-corruption. He wins while Trump gets gaped.
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Holy **** the Desantis copium on this thread is disgusting.
I said two years ago this would happen. Not because I have a crystal ball but because I talked to people non stop int canvassing.
Everyone liked Desantis but the second he went against trump he wrote his own death warrant.
It was obvious a year and a half ago as it is now.
Wish he would've waited. Whomever told him to go for it was foolish or fine with expending and ruining perhaps the best Republican candidate we have had in 30 years.
Hope he runs again next go round and I hope more people get in his camp.
Time to get on the trump train. You titty babies having a meltdown need to take a page out of what you accuse trump of not being able to do and humble yourself to vote Republican to get the Dems out.
I won't hold my breath.
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Holy **** the Desantis copium on this thread is disgusting.
I said two years ago this would happen. Not because I have a crystal ball but because I talked to people non stop int canvassing.
Everyone liked Desantis but the second he went against trump he wrote his own death warrant.
It was obvious a year and a half ago as it is now.
Wish he would've waited. Whomever told him to go for it was foolish or fine with expending and ruining perhaps the best Republican candidate we have had in 30 years.
Hope he runs again next go round and I hope more people get in his camp.
Time to get on the trump train. You titty babies having a meltdown need to take a page out of what you accuse trump of not being able to do and humble yourself to vote Republican to get the Dems out.
I won't hold my breath.