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I give Trump a lot of credit. He reaches a certain audience and they are faithful.

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Yes, booger eating morons are very loyal.

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The term is listless vessels. You TDS'ers need to stick to the term your leader uses. Be consistsnt at least.

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Are the only Trumpers going to run his geriatric ass again in 28 since he will still be eligible for a second term?

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Depends if his competition again runs the worst campaign in the history of the world.

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I give Trump a lot of credit. He reaches a certain audience and they are faithful.

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Yes, booger eating morons are very loyal.

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The term is listless vessels. You TDS'ers need to stick to the term your leader uses. Be consistsnt at least.

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Are the only Trumpers going to run his geriatric ass again in 28 since he will still be eligible for a second term?

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Depends if his competition again runs the worst campaign in the history of the world.

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That honor goes to Hillary Clinton, who is still the only politician to lose an actual election (i.e. not a primary) to Trump. That will still be true in 28.

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He's the best candidate out there but the media and Dems have masterfully manipulated the GOP base by making Trump a martyr to them and telling them the revenge they crave is guaranteed

Meanwhile Dems are working overtime to make sure there are no obstacles to the 20 million illegals they've allowed in can all vote for Biden in November

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This. And we're getting exactly what we deserve. MAGA and they're "I'm gonna get revenge" factor just handed the election to the dems again. We are the dumbest political party of all time.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Trump isn't helpful to conservative ideology. Hth

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You being a liberal it shouldn't matter.

Anyone who wants to pout and act like a child who refuses to eat their vegetables saying they are either going to sit this one out or write in some loser, instead of pulling the R lever, guess what you are part of the problem and you're gonna get exactly what you deserve. You don't care about the country you care about your foolish pride. If your guy or gal ends up on the ballot I will hold my nose on Haley but I vote republican regardless of who it is. If in any way you think these idiots running the asylum currently is better than Trump there's no hope for you.

DeSantis will be fine. Extremely difficult to take on a POTUS who wants back in the White House.

Reagan ran twice before winning in 1980. I wouldn't bury DeSantis in 2024 because he is up against a powerful force in a former President who would be difficult for even the most experienced and charismatic Republicans to defeat.

He is a fantastic governor. He will be an excellent President and this experience will help him get there.

Lol. Nailed it. I'm a liberal. Not quite as liberal as Trump, but I suppose I lean liberal on some things.

You're gonna have to do better than shouting down the exact people needed for Trump to actually win.

Trump isn't conservative. It's fine. There's no need to try to force a round peg in a square hole. He is his own man made up mostly by whatever gained him the most affection.

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Ron received bad advice to get into this race to begin with and should have sat this election out. It was not his time.

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Yes it sure the hell was his time. Its past time for Trump or any other old coot. I cant believe how easily manipulated people are. Now we are going to get stuck with 4 more years of corrupt Biden/Harris. No way this nation can survive that. And that is not hyperbole.

We had our shot to change the direction of things and blew it over "feels"

No matter who wins, we're in for a wild ride.

Biden wins- nation is continuing to.be torn apart by Marxist who somewhat officaly tear apart our institutions

Trump wins- nation is torn apart by both external forces like antifa and from the inside by the deep state following the whole end democracy to save democracy mantra

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Ive never seen a "Republican" attack other republicans as hard as trump does. He goes scorched earth. What you're seeing here is merely the rebound. Either way, fighting is the new normal for the American right. It's what they want and it's what they've got. That can only be fixed from the top down, but nobody wants to do it because it's just easier to manipulate people when they're mad.

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DeSantis will be fine. Extremely difficult to take on a POTUS who wants back in the White House.

Reagan ran twice before winning in 1980. I wouldn't bury DeSantis in 2024 because he is up against a powerful force in a former President who would be difficult for even the most experienced and charismatic Republicans to defeat.

He is a fantastic governor. He will be an excellent President and this experience will help him get there.

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If trump names a successor and it's anyone but DeSantis, then DeSantis probably still doesn't have a chance. He's kind of like Cruz, here. He's peaked. He's popular to a certain segment, but he'll never be any more than he is right now.

Ron's timing was not off. It's never the wrong time for the best option. The problem is we live in idiocracy and too many meal tickets are paid for by Trump. Trump gone = less ratings = fewer jobs/less money. The entire media industry is being propped up by him.

We have been paying the price for our reality show addiction and now we get to see how much it really is going to cost us.

Trump has run as a candidate for president four times. Reagan ran multiple times.

Ron will have another chance.

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Trump has run as a candidate for president four times. Reagan ran multiple times.

Ron will have another chance.

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Maybe he can become a democrat since it took flipping parties for trump to win, too.

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Ron received bad advice to get into this race to begin with and should have sat this election out. It was not his time.

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The only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thought Trump's legal issues would force Trump to withdraw and DeSantis would be ready to take the nomination.

What's truly baffling is Haley's rise to even or ahead of DeSantis
She's not that good of a politician,
has no built in constituency ,
has no policy points that she is winning on
is not really a conservative and
she is probably going to get to the convention with the second most delegates

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She's pretty and being supported by Dims. And she's pretty. Did I mention she's fairly nice looking?

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Better on camera than in person IMO, and that's speaking from experience.

Not like any of it matters at this point, because voters in Iowa did what they could to assure a (D) victory this November. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of collateral damage down ballot as well.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Trump isn't helpful to conservative ideology. Hth

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I never said trump the person was… But if voters choose the middle finger vote it could wake up the GOP to start being conservatives or lose relevance then indirectly he could help the conservative ideology. DeSantis isn't waking up the GOP but rather working well within the system in a red state. Hard to do that at the federal level with purple/blue D.C. as we've seen the past several decades.

I'm talking about why people are tired of the status quo with the GOP, hence the middle finger trump vote, and y'all keep bringing up Trump the person as if we think he's the savior.

Not many people think trump can lead and save the GOP, but that's a GOP fault just as much as it is a trump incompetence problem. Nearly every DeSantis voter puts him on a pedestal and thinks DeSantis can lead and save the GOP. We've tried that dance for decades and it's more of the same, unless DeSantis gets bolder.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Trump isn't helpful to conservative ideology. Hth

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Who said he was?

I'm talking about why people are tired of the status quo with the GOP, hence the middle finger trump vote, and y'all keep bringing up Trump the person as if we think he's the savior.

Not many people think trump can lead and save the GOP, but that's a GOP fault just as much as it is a trump incompetence problem. Nearly every DeSantis voter puts him on a pedestal and thinks DeSantis can lead and save the GOP. We've tried that dance for decades and it's more of the same, unless DeSantis gets bolder.

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This is some of the most insane logic I've run across... so we should go with Trump, the middle finger to the party who never gives us what we want, when finally we actually have a candidate that is what we claim to want. You never wanted it to begin with.

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.

He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.

And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.

And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.

He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.

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DeSantis got 20% of the vote. Normally that would be within a stone's reach of first. It was a great foot in the door for him. Look if Trump wins in 2024, DeSantis could easily get nominated to a cabinet spot after his time as governor ends. By then DeSantis will have been able to observe 2 years of Trump as president. Trump putting him on his cabinet would give moderate MAGA ease.

This did not hurt DeSantis. Just don't knee jerk reaction to it.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Trump isn't helpful to conservative ideology. Hth

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Who said he was?

I'm talking about why people are tired of the status quo with the GOP, hence the middle finger trump vote, and y'all keep bringing up Trump the person as if we think he's the savior.

Not many people think trump can lead and save the GOP, but that's a GOP fault just as much as it is a trump incompetence problem. Nearly every DeSantis voter puts him on a pedestal and thinks DeSantis can lead and save the GOP. We've tried that dance for decades and it's more of the same, unless DeSantis gets bolder.

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This is some of the most insane logic I've run across... so we should go with Trump, the middle finger to the party who never gives us what we want, when finally we actually have a candidate that is what we claim to want. You never wanted it to begin with.

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Quit focusing on the top of the ballot and start paying attention to the GOP as a whole, and you will start seeing the forest do the trees.

Also look at your history for the past several decades, mainly looking at the difference in GOP words/actions whether in power or not and whether it's an election year or not.

And I've said countless times, DeSantis is the best conservative politician we've seen in decades. But he's a waste if the monsterosity of the uniparty and D.C. corruption is not addressed before sending your supposed white knight to fight for you…. If he starts being bolder in how he will take on the white knight role, then he will easily peel away Trump voters.

It's clear as day….

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I don't see Trump winning in November.

If Trump didn't run, Desantis would easily be the frontrunner for the nomination (especially if Trump endorsed him), but he's been forced to spend his campaign talking about Trump.

If Desantis was the GOP nominee, I think he easily wins in November.

Trump very likely cost us the 2024 election.

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this times 1000

and everything DeSantis supporters have been saying for three years now.

watch and see~!

Never fails to amaze me at how quickly people forgot about the last midterms...

They won't be able to vote that soon but their registration data can be used to muddy the waters and perhaps manipulate local elections that allow it, and will be used to affect apportionment in the near future.

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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Trump isn't helpful to conservative ideology. Hth

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Who said he was?

I'm talking about why people are tired of the status quo with the GOP, hence the middle finger trump vote, and y'all keep bringing up Trump the person as if we think he's the savior.

Not many people think trump can lead and save the GOP, but that's a GOP fault just as much as it is a trump incompetence problem. Nearly every DeSantis voter puts him on a pedestal and thinks DeSantis can lead and save the GOP. We've tried that dance for decades and it's more of the same, unless DeSantis gets bolder.

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This is some of the most insane logic I've run across... so we should go with Trump, the middle finger to the party who never gives us what we want, when finally we actually have a candidate that is what we claim to want. You never wanted it to begin with.

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Quit focusing on the top of the ballot and start paying attention to the GOP as a whole, and you will start seeing the forest do the trees.

Also look at your history for the past several decades, mainly looking at the difference in GOP words/actions whether in power or not and whether it's an election year or not.

And I've said countless times, DeSantis is the best conservative politician we've seen in decades. But he's a waste if the monsterosity of the uniparty and D.C. corruption is not addressed before sending your supposed white knight to fight for you…. If he starts being bolder in how he will take on the white knight role, then he will easily peel away Trump voters.

It's clear as day….

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Makes as much sense as buying timeshares

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He's the best candidate out there but the media and Dems have masterfully manipulated the GOP base by making Trump a martyr to them and telling them the revenge they crave is guaranteed

Meanwhile Dems are working overtime to make sure there are no obstacles to the 20 million illegals they've allowed in can all vote for Biden in November

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This. And we're getting exactly what we deserve. MAGA and they're "I'm gonna get revenge" factor just handed the election to the dems again. We are the dumbest political party of all time.

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If that second paragraph is true, then it doesn't matter who the Republican nominee is. Which is the whole point of the second paragraph and why Democrats are for open borders.

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DeSantis is the best conservative politician in 100 years but MAGA Republicans are too stupid to see it. They deserve everything they are going to get from the Biden Regime in the 2nd term.

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THIS

the one benefit of reaching age 53 is I have been able to be successful in my career so financially I am fine regardless if it's a dem or republican in office.

but it would have been nice to know the country was not going to hell in a handbasket under leftist rule.

so I am planning on early retirement after 250th Independence Day July 2026- and moving to Florida after traveling the world for a year.

all the trumpers who will be moaning and whining the next 5 years- we told you so.

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He should've tied his wagon to the Goat & he'd have been set for 4 years as vp & 8 as president

Not sure who told him to run this dog**** Campaign but my God what a terrible decision

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no one with any class or brains would want the stink of Trumps **** on them.

DeSantis will be fine.

Come January 20, 2025, Trump will still be sitting home in Mar-a-Lago. DeSantis will still be governor of Florida.

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And that's as high as DeSsntis will ever get…MAGA won't let him ever win another election ever again.

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no surprise.

LIVs and MAGAts love to lose elections. It's a tradition at this point.

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Almost as much of a tradition as RINOs and concerned moderates not voting for the conservative candidate because of their feelings and then *****ing about the results. Oh well.

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Trump being at the top of the ballot also screws any republican hope of any sort down ballot win

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The party needs to be destroyed before it can be rebuilt. Otherwise we will just have Trump descendants running over and over, like the children of the emperor.

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Yes

He should've tied his wagon to the Goat & he'd have been set for 4 years as vp & 8 as president

Not sure who told him to run this dog**** Campaign but my God what a terrible decision

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Yes because tying your wagon to Trump has worked out so well for everyone one else involved with Trump.

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

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You mean when we told you so you stuck your fingers in your ears and went LALALALALALA?

Sorry that you were told something and defiantly said I DON'T CARE and now you see that maybe you should have...

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Kraft Punk said:

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He should've tied his wagon to the Goat & he'd have been set for 4 years as vp & 8 as president

Not sure who told him to run this dog**** Campaign but my God what a terrible decision

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Yes because tying your wagon to Trump has worked out so well for everyone one else involved with Trump.

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Maybe DeSantis could have been his VP. MAGA LOVES his last VP, right?

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Trump being at the top of the ballot also screws any republican hope of any sort down ballot win

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My biggest concern about 2024 is exactly this- if down ballot candidates get decimated, we are in for some serious pain.

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Trump being at the top of the ballot also screws any republican hope of any sort down ballot win

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Very likely. Some blame falls on Trump for obvious character and cognitive degredation, but some also falls on the GOP for not running America first candidates that conservatives need (can be different than MAGA).

Like I've said on other threads, the best case scenario is for DeSantis to be bolder vs the federal government and unelected beaurocrats before the primary season. That would take a significant amount of votes from Trump and unify the GOP both at the top and down ballot.

Unfortunately, he's only got the fame of being a great conservative leader that can navigate the corrupt system, and it's been done in a red friendly state. He has not pushed the envelope vs the federal gov or unelected beaurocrats. We've seen what that looks like over the past several decades and results are not good....

Heck, I'm no Abbott fan because he didn't push the envelope but his latest border push in Shelley Park is winning me over and is the type of actions that DeSantis needs to do to win the Trump vote and make Trump obsolete.