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I thinkbthats a valid point of view. Trump does indeed equal disruption way more than any other option.

But, the general election will not be kind to such point of view and the middle finger will ultimately end up pointed at the very people trying to throw it

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I'm not saying trump is a great candidate.
I'm not saying he will win either.

The best thing for the GOP/country is for DeSantis to take the title of the anti-establishment and anti corrupt system status quo but he has yet to do that. Most MAGA want a conservative and acknowledge DeSantis is that, but more importantly want the corrupt system fixed rather than navigated.

IF trump wins the primary with great overall Trump/DeSantis total votes AND loses the general because the DeSantis camp couldn't hold their nose, middle fingers will go both ways but at least we're honest that the system is flawed.

IF DeSantis wins the primary but doesn't embrace a desire to fix, rather than navigate, the corrupt system then don't expect a decent portion of MAGA to fall for the "most important election" or "no vote is a vote for D" excuses.

He's gaining some ground here with his FBI, DOJ, and debt clock comments but hopefully it isn't too little too late.

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LOL

Trump is establishment like a mofo. RDS is a proven anti-establishment guy and anti-corruption. He wins while Trump gets gaped.

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I'm not talking about trump the person.
DeSantis' wins are by navigating the corrupt system, not dismantling the corrupt system. I believe he's the best conservative politician we've seen in decades but America is in a fragile state and a navigator when the pendulum shifts right is a band aid at best. We need long term lasting disruption of the corruption and I hope DeSantis starts advocating it and taking that title from trump.

Our federal government is out of control and as much as I'd like to put DeSantis on a pedestal as our savior like you do, I think right now he represents hope that if we keep kicking the can down the road far enough it will get better.

Edit to add that I was very vocal against Abbott but his latest push against the federal government on the border is the type of action I want to see from DeSantis. Serious push back against the federal government that forces change for the best long term.

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Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research.

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If this is true Conservatism in the US is dead.

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And Trump and the MAGA Jonestown crew killed it

DeSantis lost not when he attacked Disney but when he got lost in Disney and woke nonsense for far too long. The guys who win in America win because they have sunshine on their face. Trump has a sense of humor. Biden was Uncle Joe. Obama was hope and change. Bush was the compassionate conservative. Clinton was the sly dog...

Almost none if that is right but a degree of feistiness and a sense of humor is critical to likeability. DeSantis came off as the guy who fought Disney and looked weird doing it.

Disney has zero to do with the Republican primary.

But you're voting for Biden so not a surprise you'd think it does.

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DeSantis lost not when he attacked Disney but when he got lost in Disney and woke nonsense for far too long. The guys who win in America win because they have sunshine on their face. Trump has a sense of humor. Biden was Uncle Joe. Obama was hope and change. Bush was the compassionate conservative. Clinton was the sly dog...

Almost none if that is right but a degree of feistiness and a sense of humor is critical to likeability. DeSantis came off as the guy who fought Disney and looked weird doing it.

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I said it when it was all going down with Disney that the people wanted more than an anti woke warrior. It's tiresome and divisive.

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Is the logic that the person that got more votes in history is going to lose to Biden, so we need to vote for the guy that's at least 30 points behind that guy? Because his campaign was such a failure? But that dude can beat Biden?

That's the logic here?

Really?

I just don't get that at all.

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That was the argument in 2020...didn't work so well for America.

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I don't think 2020 was a legitimate election.
I'm not saying Trump won if every legal person that tried to vote had their votes counted accurately, but at the least the election results were not trustworthy.

There are a lot of people like me that think the same way.

If the 2020 election was legitimate however, then our country and political ideologies are no longer compatible and we should peacefully separate. Ideally with DeSantis as the leader.

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I think there was some election fraud.

I don't think it was enough that Trump lost because of it.

And I wouldn't mind a TEXIT. I'm tired of being on the same boat as Biden.

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.

He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.

And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.

And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.

He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.

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If DeSantis did not do this, we would have never known if Trump was the right candidate.

DeSantis put in his all. He had what I thought was the right message and certainly a record of competence.

The Democrats did this to America. We are in a really bad place having to chose between Trump and Biden.

I pray Republicans come together and get behind Trump. He's vetted. Let's go and soundly defeat that nasty, corrupt FJB.

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He did have the right message and the record of competence.

What he couldn't overcome was blind loyalty to Trump. There are just too many people in MAGA that don't care about ANYTHING other than voting for Trump - policies, chances in the general, cognitive ability, etc. Just voting for Trump.

BTW, MAGA should not even try to blame Republicans that are currently telling them they won't vote for him - they ARE TELLING THEM REALITY. If they choose Trump, then they are ignoring reality. That's THEIR fault.

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The real irony is that Dem voters only vote for their idiots because that's what they want. So we get Fetterman as a senator while he can barely talk.

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I'm not saying that Dems are any better. They're just as blindly loyal, but to the party instead of just one man.

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Holy **** the Desantis copium on this thread is disgusting.

I said two years ago this would happen. Not because I have a crystal ball but because I talked to people non stop int canvassing.

Everyone liked Desantis but the second he went against trump he wrote his own death warrant.
It was obvious a year and a half ago as it is now.

Wish he would've waited. Whomever told him to go for it was foolish or fine with expending and ruining perhaps the best Republican candidate we have had in 30 years.

Hope he runs again next go round and I hope more people get in his camp.

Time to get on the trump train. You titty babies having a meltdown need to take a page out of what you accuse trump of not being able to do and humble yourself to vote Republican to get the Dems out.

I won't hold my breath.

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Well, after 4 more years of Biden, I think the country will be ACHING for the GOP to put up a viable candidate.

DeSantis would be nice. But, then my county dogcatcher would be too.

To compare pence and Ron together isn't fair at all. That's comparing apples to oranges.

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DeSantis lost not when he attacked Disney but when he got lost in Disney and woke nonsense for far too long. The guys who win in America win because they have sunshine on their face. Trump has a sense of humor. Biden was Uncle Joe. Obama was hope and change. Bush was the compassionate conservative. Clinton was the sly dog...

Almost none if that is right but a degree of feistiness and a sense of humor is critical to likeability. DeSantis came off as the guy who fought Disney and looked weird doing it.

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What? He beat Disney. Couldn't beat the cult of Trump though

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He drastically overestimated Trump's vulnerability and the openness of Trump's base to alternatives (I sure did). Trump did a poor job crafting covid policies, spent way too much, and hasn't been able to let go of 2020. I'm guessing DeSantis thought that the combo would be the last straw that would break off a huge army of Republicans who craved a republican with a spine, but could no longer tolerate Trump's unserious inanity and drama. That turned out to be wrong. that group is much smaller than expected and there's instead a huge contingent of Republicans who are forever Trump and will vote for him no matter what any other candidate says or has done.

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I will admit I did not realize that their blind devotion was as strong as it is.

Policy and viability don't matter to them.

Of course, with Trump being a pseudo-incumbent with 100% name recognition and 100% recognition of everything else he is, he only got ~51% of Republicans to vote for him. How many of that 49% won't vote for him in the general?

If it's a significant percent by any means then he's got a lot of trouble in the general because the Dems WILL GOTV against him.

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DeSantis lost not when he attacked Disney but when he got lost in Disney and woke nonsense for far too long. The guys who win in America win because they have sunshine on their face. Trump has a sense of humor. Biden was Uncle Joe. Obama was hope and change. Bush was the compassionate conservative. Clinton was the sly dog...

Almost none if that is right but a degree of feistiness and a sense of humor is critical to likeability. DeSantis came off as the guy who fought Disney and looked weird doing it.

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I said it when it was all going down with Disney that the people wanted more than an anti woke warrior. It's tiresome and divisive.

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Ummm...they chose Trump, so tiresome and divisive is not a feature that deters them.

i think the indictments and persecution of Trump has a ton to do with all of this.

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i think the indictments and persecution of Trump has a ton to do with all of this.

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Yeah it's almost like the cultists are being manipulated

Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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slow down numbnuts. bit premature beating your chest so much.

he won the primaries last time and got annihilated in the general.

he does not need our help to lose.

he managed to do that himself last time, and will again.

trumpsters are just as bad as Swifties. I cannot imagine grown ass men simping for someone like Trump as hard as they are.

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Some of you sound straight up giddy for trump to lose.

Sorry for your cold water splash tonight.

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I'll get some enjoyment out of it. The Jonestown crew deserves it.

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Wow. I guess any chance of a united GOP is dead if that is the mentality going forward…

Not classy or politically helpful to the conservative ideology. The same can be said for the name calling from the trump supporters.

Trump isn't a conservative and neither are most of his supporters. If republicans nominate that geriatric dunce, we deserve four more years of democrats

Oh, and yes a united GOP is dead. Trump killed it.

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Oh, and yes a united GOP is dead. Trump killed it.

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The GOP killed itself when it became the submissive half of the uniparty.

Trump, with all of his idiotic faults, was a one off lifeline the GOP could take advantage of but the GOP instead doubled down on uniparty. DeSantis has a chance to save the GOP if he gets bolder, but until then the GOP brought this upon itself.

The only way the blame falls on the outsider is if the goal of the GOP supporters is to maintain the status quo of being the submissive half of the uniparty… which is looking more and more likely based on comments.

Lockdown Don spent trillions and handed the country to the democrats. Let's run him again.

Don't think DeSantis should've sucked up to Trump early on. He should've run his own campaign on his own track record, which I think he is trying to do. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter. Trump still has a strangle hold on a large percentage of "republican" leaning voters. Republican is in quotes b/c most of the Trump base really isn't republican, but some mix of disaffected semi-conservative voters who are really just looking for someone to "own" the other political side. It has nothing to do with good governance or long-term political strategy; it's just the immediate gratification of "us vs them".

Republicans are cutting off their nose to spite their face in going with Trump as the nominee. If he is the republican candidate in 2024, it's a 100% guaranteed victory for anyone the democrats run for POTUS. Doesn't matter if it's Biden or Harris or Newsom, the democratic nominee will win b/c independents and other fringe groups will not vote for Trump since he is so widely despised by a majority of the American voting electorate.

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Lockdown Don spent trillions and handed the country to the democrats. Let's run him again.

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I'm talking about the GOP and how they are hindering the conservative ideology, regardless of who is POTUS. Ideally it's DeSantis with an ambition to dismantle the corrupt system rather than navigate it.

I didn't go back but on this page alone you have 5 posts bringing nothing to the conversation other than your TDS.

I'm assuming you're just trolling now and are ok with D power and a divided GOP if you don't get DeSantis…

For a second I thought you might have had something to offer. Then I saw you said "TDS", which is a dead giveaway for someone not interested in ir capable of rational thought.

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Oh, and yes a united GOP is dead. Trump killed it.

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Geez.

This is worse than George Conway.

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Flagged for trolling.

And here's your TDS if you're would like to reflect on how you weren't contributing to the conversation in a meaningful way and more importantly you are sowing the very divide in the GOP that you are blaming trump and his supporters for.

" Trump and the MAGA Jonestown crew"
" cultists"
" The Jonestown crew deserves it."
" Trump isn't a conservative and neither are most of his supporters. If republicans nominate that geriatric dunce, we deserve four more years of democrats"
" a united GOP is dead. Trump killed it."
" Lockdown Don spent trillions and handed the country to the democrats."

Trump being the GOP candidate just makes it much easier to have a Dem win again. They know he isn't liked by independents. He's the only person in history to lose with a strong economy. Why? Because the MSM and Hollywood have enough voters Trump Fatigue, especially women. So now, with all the ways the Dems produce votes (and count them), they won't even have to go full bore like they did last time. The turnout for the Dems will be huge again because they hate Trump. They will get every reproductive issue on every purple state ballot and they will get legality of pot on those ballots and watch their voters swamp the electorate again.

I don't know how the GOP ever gets to a point where they can beat the Dems in a Presidential election. But if they can, it's not gonna be in 2024, and it certainly won't be with Trump. I'm dead serious that the biggest electoral fight in 2024 will be between Obama keeping control with PeePaw or Newsom getting control of the party and moving forward. That will be the determining race for the next President. God help us if Gavin Newsom is out next President. He is Obama 2.0, but with actual experience running something. We might be Amerika before the end of 2025.

Throw the towel in early.

That's the spirit.

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Flagged for trolling.

And here's your TDS if you're would like to reflect on how you weren't contributing to the conversation in a meaningful way and more importantly you are sowing the very divide in the GOP that you are blaming trump and his supporters for.

" Trump and the MAGA Jonestown crew"
" cultists"
" The Jonestown crew deserves it."
" Trump isn't a conservative and neither are most of his supporters. If republicans nominate that geriatric dunce, we deserve four more years of democrats"
" a united GOP is dead. Trump killed it."
" Lockdown Don spent trillions and handed the country to the democrats."

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Feel free to disagree on any point.

If you can't articulate an argument then just type:

"TDS"

And trust me, I understand it must be difficult to play goalie for Trump. A catch all like "TDS" is helpful I'm sure.

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I give Trump a lot of credit. He reaches a certain audience and they are faithful.

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Yes, booger eating morons are very loyal.

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The term is listless vessels. You TDS'ers need to stick to the term your leader uses. Be consistsnt at least.

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I give Trump a lot of credit. He reaches a certain audience and they are faithful.

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Yes, booger eating morons are very loyal.

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The term is listless vessels. You TDS'ers need to stick to the term your leader uses. Be consistsnt at least.

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Are the only Trumpers going to run his geriatric ass again in 28 since he will still be eligible for a second term?