Mccarthy on notice, officially

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In reply to GeorgiAg • 2:24p, 10/3/23
GeorgiAg said:
Trump University, Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump Atlantic City Casinos, MAGA, Trump GOP. This current coup is run by his strongest sycophants. They have no plan for what happens if they succeed, just more stupid and nothing gets done.

Trump is the biggest failure/fraud of all time. We need to make up a new word for extreme failure to apply to anything Trump does.

He may break the USA. We need to send him to Russia so his clumsy ass can break them instead. He is like the Inspector Clouseaus of Presidents.




"Former President Donald Trump issued a full-throated endorsement of House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy on Wednesday morning, hours before Republicans planned to return to the floor to try again to elect a speaker.

"Some really good conversations took place last night, and it's now time for all of our GREAT Republican House members to VOTE FOR KEVIN, CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY,..."





You really don't pay attention, do you?
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In reply to will25u • 2:24p, 10/3/23
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Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.
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In reply to notex • 2:25p, 10/3/23
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.
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2:26p, 10/3/23
Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL
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In reply to notex • 2:27p, 10/3/23
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)
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In reply to LMCane • 2:28p, 10/3/23
LMCane said:
Tea Party said:
TRM said:
Yet Gaetz with the Democrats voted down the more conservative CR on Friday.
Two steps left and one step right is still drifting leftward over a long period of time.

The status quo needs to be shaken up and until more people start to grasp that reality then the conservative ideology will continue it's decline.
it's a nice fantasy world you live in.

Did Trump "shake up the status quo"?

how is the country doing now?


Longest government shutdown in nations history under Trump.

Not near long enough though.
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2:29p, 10/3/23
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Don't forget Orange Man lead to the weak 2020 and 2022 elections for the House and Senate.

Rs would have greater numbers in the house and senate if not for him.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 2:29p, 10/3/23
J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


What does McCarthy do if not ousted?

Oh yeah, pass a new CR at current spending rates until the next election.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 2:29p, 10/3/23
GeorgiAg said:
Don't forget Orange Man lead to the weak 2020 and 2022 elections for the House and Senate.

Rs would have greater numbers in the house and senate if not for him.


Proof?
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:31p, 10/3/23
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trump-hurt-republicans-2022-elections-numbers-point-yes-rcna56928

There are many articles on the subject.
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2:31p, 10/3/23
Yes.

A lot would be different if Trump never ran for president.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 2:32p, 10/3/23
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
Science Denier said:
C@LAg said:
Stive said:
I predict McCarthy will survive.
hugely.

the dems will vote with team McC because everyone is tired of Gaetz faux bull*****
No. The dems love the current speaker. I mean, he gives them everything they want and he gladly gives it to them with exactly 0.0000000000 in return.

Hell, he's better for them than Nancy.


Hyperbole is always effective when you have no argument. Did the Friday bill that Gaetz tanked give the dems "everything they wanted?"
Of course it did. They want temporary spending bills, which is what they got.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:33p, 10/3/23
Logos Stick said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


What does McCarthy do if not ousted?

Oh yeah, pass a new CR at current spending rates until the next election.


Whoever takes over will do the exact same thing (and at least initially, will be hand picked by McCarthy). It's the reality of not having a large majority in the house and not having the senate or White House. This is all pointless theatrics.
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In reply to aggie93 • 2:33p, 10/3/23
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think the point is this battle should have been happening already and Gaetz has no plan


Get it through your head that it's McCarthy who is screwing up the plan. Gaetz is simply holding him accountable to the promises McCarthy made in order to gain the speakership in the first place. Gaetz is responding as we should have been doing all along..people must be held accountable and it has to start sometime. Being passive during budget season has gotten us record debt. Explain why a conservative should not support this.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 2:33p, 10/3/23
GeorgiAg said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trump-hurt-republicans-2022-elections-numbers-point-yes-rcna56928

There are many articles on the subject.


Ok, but can I get one not from DNC media perhaps? Thanks
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In reply to Stive • 2:34p, 10/3/23
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Stive said:
Science Denier said:
C@LAg said:
Stive said:
I predict McCarthy will survive.
hugely.

the dems will vote with team McC because everyone is tired of Gaetz faux bull*****
No. The dems love the current speaker. I mean, he gives them everything they want and he gladly gives it to them with exactly 0.0000000000 in return.

Hell, he's better for them than Nancy.


Then they'll obviously vote to keep him in right? Right?
I sure as hell hope they think they can get the speakership by voting him out. They would be cutting their own throat, but they've done that before (see simple majority on court appointments).
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 2:36p, 10/3/23
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Logos Stick said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


What does McCarthy do if not ousted?

Oh yeah, pass a new CR at current spending rates until the next election.


Whoever takes over will do the exact same thing (and at least initially, will be hand picked by McCarthy). It's the reality of not having a large majority in the house and not having the senate or White House. This is all pointless theatrics.


Then its all pointless. Let the Dems have what they want and go home.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 2:36p, 10/3/23
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J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


Negotiate another deal with the next speaker to take it even further (hopefully).
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:37p, 10/3/23
Logos Stick said:
Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL


The TDS is those who blindly support a non conservative blowhard who is pushing 80 as if he deserves or is entitled to be POTUS.

Actual conservatives don't want a liberal like him to represent the GOP.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 2:38p, 10/3/23
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GeorgiAg said:
Don't forget Orange Man lead to the weak 2020 and 2022 elections for the House and Senate.

Rs would have greater numbers in the house and senate if not for him.
What does that have to do with McCarthy v Gaetz?

Zero...

Stop trolling...
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 2:38p, 10/3/23
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Funky Winkerbean said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


Negotiate another deal with the next speaker to take it even further (hopefully).
do you think a conservative bill can pass the house?
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 2:39p, 10/3/23
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Logos Stick said:
Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL


The TDS is those who blindly support a non conservative blowhard who is pushing 80 as if he deserves or is entitled to be POTUS.

Actual conservatives don't want a liberal like him to represent the GOP.


Ignorant post. Trump governed as the most conservative president in my lifetime. Did you just wake up?

I don't blindly support anyone. I support Desantis for the nom. Your childish insult missed.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 2:40p, 10/3/23
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Bunk Moreland said:
Logos Stick said:
Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL


The TDS is those who blindly support a non conservative blowhard who is pushing 80 as if he deserves or is entitled to be POTUS.

Actual conservatives don't want a liberal like him to represent the GOP.
Again, what does any of that have to do with Gaetz v McCarthy? Nothing...
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In reply to FireAg • 2:41p, 10/3/23
They are convinced that this is a Trump led revolt. Gaetz is simply a tool.

Orange Mind Virus is real.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:42p, 10/3/23
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Logos Stick said:
They are convinced that this is a Trump led revolt. Gaetz is simply a tool.

Orange Mind Virus is real.
Which makes zero sense because Trump endorsed and supports McCarthy...DeSantis stands in contrast...
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In reply to notex • 2:43p, 10/3/23
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notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.
Saying things is fine and dandy but if the GOP House reps won't ultimately hold firm regardless, it's practically going to end up giving the Dems more power.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:46p, 10/3/23
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Bottom line...this is NOT a Trump v DeSantis argument...

This is an argument between fiscal conservatism and fiscal lunacy...Gaetz is pushing the former, while McCarthy continues to push the latter...
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In reply to FireAg • 2:46p, 10/3/23
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FireAg said:
aggie93 said:
FireAg said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
Stive said:
FireAg said:
Interesting to see several of the pro-DeSantis folks making pro-McCarthy comments, even with DeSantis supporting Gaetz's position...

It's pretty wild that those people seem to think for themselves and don't feel the need to check every box when it comes to toeing their preferred candidate's line.



You can't call yourself a principled conservative and support McCarthy. That's the disconnect. They will all change their tune now that DeSantis explained it to them.
BINGO...
Trump endorsed McCarthy and McCarthy has endorsed Trump. What the hell are you guys talking about?
Trump doesn't control how many of us think...a point that continues to be lost on many of you...you are so wound up in Trump-hate that you can't have rational conversations with those who don't agree with every little thing you say...

And I intend to vote DeSantis if he's still viable when the Texas primary rolls around...yet another point many of you miss...

Trump is dead-wrong on McCarthy...Trump was dead-wrong about several aspects of the Covid response...

Trump has been right about other things though, and it's okay to point out his bad and his good...
Well the tone of what you have been saying seems to imply that Trump had a more principled conservative position. I'm glad you see Trump as responsible for McCarthy and dead wrong about him.
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In reply to aggie93 • 2:47p, 10/3/23
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Not going to derail this thread...but many of you hear what you want to hear, and you don't listen to what some people are actually saying...

That's one of the biggest issues in American society today...

You assume before you listen...
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 2:50p, 10/3/23
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Funky Winkerbean said:
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think the point is this battle should have been happening already and Gaetz has no plan


Get it through your head that it's McCarthy who is screwing up the plan. Gaetz is simply holding him accountable to the promises McCarthy made in order to gain the speakership in the first place. Gaetz is responding as we should have been doing all along..people must be held accountable and it has to start sometime. Being passive during budget season has gotten us record debt. Explain why a conservative should not support this.
Great. I didn't want McCarthy but if we are going to replace him we need a plan because just removing him without one could be an absolute disaster. There are a lot worse options and this is a very dangerous game with a 5 vote majority.

BTW, Trump wanted to remind everyone he is happy that McCarthy said nice things about him because that is what is most important of course.


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In reply to Logos Stick • 2:52p, 10/3/23
Logos Stick said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Logos Stick said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
notex said:
Someone with a spine needs to be saying these kinds of things. It's ridiculous we can't just appropriate funds normally like a regular congress could as recently as when Obama was president. Democrats insist on all or nothing.


Great. Then what? What does Gaetz do when he finally catches the car and McCarthy is out? (mostly thanks to the dems btw)


What does McCarthy do if not ousted?

Oh yeah, pass a new CR at current spending rates until the next election.


Whoever takes over will do the exact same thing (and at least initially, will be hand picked by McCarthy). It's the reality of not having a large majority in the house and not having the senate or White House. This is all pointless theatrics.


Then its all pointless. Let the Dems have what they want and go home.


Every single dem voted against Friday's bill. None of them wanted it, yet Gaetz voted with them.
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In reply to aggie93 • 2:57p, 10/3/23
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aggie93 said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
Quote:
think the point is this battle should have been happening already and Gaetz has no plan


Get it through your head that it's McCarthy who is screwing up the plan. Gaetz is simply holding him accountable to the promises McCarthy made in order to gain the speakership in the first place. Gaetz is responding as we should have been doing all along..people must be held accountable and it has to start sometime. Being passive during budget season has gotten us record debt. Explain why a conservative should not support this.
Great. I didn't want McCarthy but if we are going to replace him we need a plan because just removing him without one could be an absolute disaster. There are a lot worse options and this is a very dangerous game with a 5 vote majority.

BTW, Trump wanted to remind everyone he is happy that McCarthy said nice things about him because that is what is most important of course.


Who cares what Trump says on this issue?!? He has now power right now...

I care about who can solve these issues right now, not in 2025...
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 2:58p, 10/3/23
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Bunk Moreland said:
Logos Stick said:
Conservatives have been infected with TDS.

It's sad to see what they have become.

The Orange has broken even some of my fellow conservatives.

LOL


The TDS is those who blindly support a non conservative blowhard who is pushing 80 as if he deserves or is entitled to be POTUS.

Actual conservatives don't want a liberal like him to represent the GOP.


But you will accept a non conservative as speaker?
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In reply to will25u • 2:59p, 10/3/23
will25u said:
So 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.
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In reply to Faustus • 3:03p, 10/3/23
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Faustus said:
will25u said:
So a 10 or so Republicans and all 200 plus Dems were able to torpedo the House Bill and oust the Speaker.

But it's the 200 Rs who are RINOs and the other 10 voting with the Dems are the true conservatives.

Fun stuff.

Right?!?

Bunch of F16'ers: "I can't believe McCarthy worked with democrats!!! Save us Representative Gaetz!!!"

Rep. Gaetz: "Me and the democrats think McCarthy should lose his speakership!!!"

Bunch of F16'ers: "YEAH!!!!! GET HIM!!!!"
There's a whole lot of stupid that college can't fix. -My Grandfather
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