Tx-Ag2010 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Your long post doesn't refute anything I wrote.

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Cutting a hole in a safe with a plasma cutter is likely to damage contents (especially paper documents).

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Liberty Gun Safe has a thin metal shell, two + layers of sheetrock/fireboard, Palusol, and a carpet interior liner. The plasma cutter isn't going to damage the interior contents.

It seems like a lot of folks are getting hung up on the plasma cutter. Change it to a Sawzall. The safe could be accessed just a quick.

P.H. Dexippus said:

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Tx-Ag2010 said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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Your long post doesn't refute anything I wrote.

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Cutting a hole in a safe with a plasma cutter is likely to damage contents (especially paper documents).

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Liberty Gun Safe has a thin metal shell, two + layers of sheetrock/fireboard, Palusol, and a carpet interior liner. The plasma cutter isn't going to damage the interior contents.

It seems like a lot of folks are getting hung up on the plasma cutter. Change it to a Sawzall. The safe could be accessed just a quick.

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Back when I toured the Liberty factory in Garland, they showed several different safes that were broken into by different methods. Many times, the most common method was to pull it out with a truck and take its somewhere to be sledge hammered into or a sawzall if high tech.

Even a simple combo lock has the combo stored by the company who makes them.

When I coached year ago, the previous head coach lost the book of all the combos for the locker room. We called the company and have them the serial numbers and they sent the combos to us in a day.

Four Seasons Landscaping said:

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Putting aside the ethical questions about Liberty Safe….


Is there anybody here who actually thinks they have a physical safe that would keep the FBI out for any substantial amount of time?

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You can anchor the safe to the floor, file off the serial numbers of the safe, and store high explosives in the safe. Some Feds might eventually get in it, but it won't be easy.

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Are there any safe companies that have stated they would never do this? Surely there have to be some patriotic mom and pop companies that would tell the govt to get f-ed if they ever came with a warrant to access backdoor codes to safe?

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And what are they supposed to do when a federal judge compels them to comply with a valid warrant or subpoena?

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Tell them that law enforcement can use their fancy tools to break into the safe. Nothing is stopping them. But like Apple, they are going to protect their customer's privacy.

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There's a big difference in that Apple has no backdoor or way into your iCloud account or iPhone. The feds wanted them to create one, as opposed to turning over something they already had. They can issue a warrant or subpoena for something that exists, but they cannot compel creation.

If you have something you refuse to turn over or refuse to show up for court, good luck staying out of jail.

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I think companies should start standing up and testing these evil POS weaponized liberal govt agencies.

In an ideal world, there they weren't partial, and there was no slippery slope, it wouldn't be such a big deal. but they cannot be trusted.

Hopefully enough people boycott to where other manufacturers take notice...would we rather crater as a company, or call the FBI's bluff in taking us to court and fining us?

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Bad for them, but did you think your safe was really going to keep the government out?

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No. You can always get in a safe by destroying it, but that's got nothing to do with them giving the code to the FBI.

I'll never buy anything from them, and I'd never have a safe with electronic means of entry.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

It's amazing how many people don't RTFM.

Even my Browning safe states that there is a user code and a master code.

The master code can be changed if you call them up and get it from them, but if you ever get locked out, you're on your own.

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TAMUallen said:

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And now nobody will buy from them, turncoats

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Even Apple tells the government to get bent when asked. Imagine not knowing your customers this badly and being demonstrably worse than any tech company.

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Publicly, yeah. I'm pretty sure Trump and Tim Apple were talking behind the scenes and Cook had his team get into the phone. There's no way Apple doesn't have backdoor ways into things. Trump agreed to take the L publicly and Apple got the good PR from it, but in the end, the FBI got what was needed.

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Even a simple combo lock has the combo stored by the company who makes them.

When I coached year ago, the previous head coach lost the book of all the combos for the locker room. We called the company and have them the serial numbers and they sent the combos to us in a day.

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Old school safes can have the combo changed. At that point, old combos don't work anymore. I had that job in the USMC and had to change the combos when there was a change of personnel.

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

Sorry I bought one of these things now.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

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Lol, says the guy that said, "I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch."

Touchless said:

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agdoc2001 said:

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Touchless said:

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I have no idea what they were searching for or if it's been mentioned in this thread, but simply for argumentative sake, what if the person being investigated has a child smuggling and sex trafficking ring and the safe may have contents to where kids are located and who else is involved or something?

Would there be any situation where you'd be okay with a company assisting the government in a situation like this when they have a warrant for a location and all of the contents there?

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The old "think of the children" tactic

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So you're saying you wouldn't be supportive if it was in that type of situation? It was a genuine question.

Is there any situation where you would be okay with it? What if the Boston marathon bombers had a safe in their house? Massive manhunt underway for them. Could be some valuable information in the safe that could potentially stop other mass terrorist events. Would you be okay with it then?

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Why do we even need safes? Pedophiles could be using them to assault children and hide evidence. We should just ban safes.

They also use tires to drive, and we don't want sex traffickers to be able to steal children. We should just ban tires.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Touchless said:

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agdoc2001 said:

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Touchless said:

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I have no idea what they were searching for or if it's been mentioned in this thread, but simply for argumentative sake, what if the person being investigated has a child smuggling and sex trafficking ring and the safe may have contents to where kids are located and who else is involved or something?

Would there be any situation where you'd be okay with a company assisting the government in a situation like this when they have a warrant for a location and all of the contents there?

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The old "think of the children" tactic

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So you're saying you wouldn't be supportive if it was in that type of situation? It was a genuine question.

Is there any situation where you would be okay with it? What if the Boston marathon bombers had a safe in their house? Massive manhunt underway for them. Could be some valuable information in the safe that could potentially stop other mass terrorist events. Would you be okay with it then?

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Why do we even need safes? Pedophiles could be using them to assault children and hide evidence. We should just ban safes.

They also use tires to drive, and we don't want sex traffickers to be able to steal children. We should just ban tires.

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Lol, what a nonsensical retort. Hope the username is true.

I think it's time to get that sarcasm detector re-calibrated, my guy.

geoag58 said:

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ChemEAg08 said:

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Space-Tech said:

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A few things.

• A company exists for only one purpose, to make money.
• If you think a company is "on your side" you are wrong.
• A company can only exist as so long the government allows it.

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We here in the United States believe that the government is allowed to exist based on if the people allow it, commie.

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I think it is time to exercise that "if the people allow it" option.

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The problem with that is that it takes quite a few people with the help of the second amendment to exercise that option and when you have almost 50% of the population that are complacent with the government in what ever the government wants, it makes it problematic.

We firmly believe in our customers' right and freedom to control their personal property. pic.twitter.com/3UfdsvPTxN

— SecureIt Gun Storage (@SecureItStorage) September 6, 2023

Touchless said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Touchless said:

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agdoc2001 said:

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Touchless said:

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I have no idea what they were searching for or if it's been mentioned in this thread, but simply for argumentative sake, what if the person being investigated has a child smuggling and sex trafficking ring and the safe may have contents to where kids are located and who else is involved or something?

Would there be any situation where you'd be okay with a company assisting the government in a situation like this when they have a warrant for a location and all of the contents there?

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The old "think of the children" tactic

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So you're saying you wouldn't be supportive if it was in that type of situation? It was a genuine question.

Is there any situation where you would be okay with it? What if the Boston marathon bombers had a safe in their house? Massive manhunt underway for them. Could be some valuable information in the safe that could potentially stop other mass terrorist events. Would you be okay with it then?

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Why do we even need safes? Pedophiles could be using them to assault children and hide evidence. We should just ban safes.

They also use tires to drive, and we don't want sex traffickers to be able to steal children. We should just ban tires.

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Lol, what a nonsensical retort. Hope the username is true.

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So you do understand. Thanks.

They've also added that to their website. Look at any model and it says "No 3rd party override backdoors. You have all the control!"

will25u said:

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We firmly believe in our customers' right and freedom to control their personal property. pic.twitter.com/3UfdsvPTxN

— SecureIt Gun Storage (@SecureItStorage) September 6, 2023

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Don't they know that the FBI can get in anyway? Might as well allow a backdoor.

Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

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Lol, says the guy that said, "I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch."

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You sound like a not nice kind of person.

TheHulkster said:

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I think it's time to get that sarcasm detector re-calibrated, my guy.

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The sarcasm was obvious, it was just dumb sarcasm though. I'm a big fan of sarcasm.

Ag with kids said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

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Lol, says the guy that said, "I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch."

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You sound like a not nice kind of person.

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Why? Because I called out the person that said I was taking something too serious even though they are the ones that said something far more serious than me? I mean, pot meet kettle on that one.

ETA: On top of that, I asked a general question and instead of getting an actual discussion, you get people that just immediately insult you or your intelligence because the question challenges their opinion and they talk through emotion instead of logic.

Touchless said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

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Lol, says the guy that said, "I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch."

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You sound like a not nice kind of person.

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Why? Because I called out the person that said I was taking something too serious even though they are the ones that said something far more serious than me? I mean, pot meet kettle on that one.

ETA: On top of that, I asked a general question and instead of getting an actual discussion, you get people that just immediately insult you or your intelligence because the question challenges their opinion and they talk through emotion instead of logic.

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You're trying to have everyone perform gymnastics to satisfy one unlikely edge case to, I'm going to guess, presumably get people to give you the answer that would make you happy.

When they didn't you started name calling.

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holy smokes... almost bought one over the labor day weekend and their sale they had going on...

what's the next best?

I own a Tyranny Safe and need an Aggie lawyer to help file a Class Action

Logos Stick said:

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This trumps Bud Light as worst business decision ever.

These guys just killed their business.

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Liberty Safe was sold in 2021 to liberals who donate to democrats.

Ag with kids said:

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Touchless said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Touchless said:

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Dimebag Darrell said:

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Touchless said:

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oh no said:

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i already gave you an answer a few posts up.

but now you're responding on here by calling everyone dip***** that are too emotional to think straight.

The feds didn't have to break into a liberty gun safe because the manufacturer can just let them into the gun safe. This thread is about that; the thread is not just about your hypothetical question posed in the middle of the thread. Sure, people can put things other than guns in a safe. It's not too emotional to think straight if people aren't picturing some other kind of smaller non-gun safe in your hypothetically posed question.

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You didn't really give an answer for a certain situation. If you think it's a no for all circumstances, then that's fine. That's your opinion.

And I'm calling one person a dip****, not everyone. If you can't respond in a regular conversational way and you're clearing being emotional, then I'm going to say it. If you're being emotional, then you're not able to think rationally. Emotions and logic don't go together.

Most on here just aren't capable of having an actual conversation and immediately resort to the extremes, which I assume they would not do in person.

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Says the internet tough guy who would not call anyone on here a "dipsh**" in person.

Also, many of us have been banned for much less on here, just a heads up.

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Yeah, "dip****" is super aggressive. No way that would be used in person. Really big meany over here for saying it.

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Maybe you can quote my post and point out where I was being emotional. I'd really appreciate it.

Also, you are correct. You wouldn't call me dip**** in person because I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch.

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Well if you're willing to assault a random person for calling you a dip****, then you are indeed a dip***** Don't really feel like any other explanation is needed there. Fantastic reason to pick up an assault charge because someone called you a name and hurt your feelings. #sorrynotsorry #reallifetoughguy #sticksandstonescanbreakmybonesandwordshurtmetoo

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You may be taking this way too seriously…

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Lol, says the guy that said, "I would pick you up and drop you on your head. That's not internet tough guy either. Just facts. Enough people know me IRL to vouch."

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You sound like a not nice kind of person.

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Why? Because I called out the person that said I was taking something too serious even though they are the ones that said something far more serious than me? I mean, pot meet kettle on that one.

ETA: On top of that, I asked a general question and instead of getting an actual discussion, you get people that just immediately insult you or your intelligence because the question challenges their opinion and they talk through emotion instead of logic.

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You're trying to have everyone perform gymnastics to satisfy one unlikely edge case to, I'm going to guess, presumably get people to give you the answer that would make you happy.

When they didn't you started name calling.

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False. I've replied to those that gave a genuine thought regardless of what the opinion was.

I also said to ignore the 'edge case' as you put it since that was distracting from the point and asked if a Class A felony would be a threshold where they'd be okay with the govt doing it or if there was just no situation where they'd approve.

I don't have an answer that makes me happy. I'm capable of accepting a different opinion of someone else.

I also only called one person a dip****, and haven't said anything to anyone else.

Newsweek is blaming MAGA for Liberty Safes problems.

https://www.newsweek.com/backlash-against-gun-safe-company-results-boycott-1825125

They seem to think everyone on the right is MAGA, when a massive number are not.

Ag92NGranbury said:

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holy smokes... almost bought one over the labor day weekend and their sale they had going on...

what's the next best?

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If you are buying new, Sturdy is far better bang for your buck than Liberty. It really depends on what your goals are:


Good primer: https://gunsafereviewsguy.com/articles/myths-about-gun-safe-theft-protection/

Deep dive:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Questions-for-AMSEC-TheSafeGuy/46-401046/?page=1

Best deal out there IMO is buying a used, true safe with a TL rating if you have the setup for it. Look for going out of business liquidations.

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Logos Stick said:

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This trumps Bud Light as worst business decision ever.

These guys just killed their business.

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Liberty Safe was sold in 2021 to liberals who donate to democrats.

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Liberty Safe was sold to Monomoy Capital Partners in 2021, a liberal East Coast investment firm. I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats like:

Raphael Warnock in GA
John Fetterman in PA… pic.twitter.com/WqnlQpPnrA

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) September 7, 2023

How did they know he had a Liberty safe? Had they been to his house before and saw it? I'm curious about those details.