Rapier108 said:

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They've also added that to their website. Look at any model and it says "No 3rd party override backdoors. You have all the control!"

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"3rd Party" is a great deflection.

The manufacturer is not a 3rd Party.

This is hilariously idiotic.

Ag92NGranbury said:

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holy smokes... almost bought one over the labor day weekend and their sale they had going on...

what's the next best?

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There are plenty that are better. AmSec for sure is.

Everyone bragging about their safe.

A safe isn't safe if everyone knows about it.

A nice car? OK, brag.

A safe? Shut up.

C@LAg said:

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new policy effective this evening.

this is what you call emergency panic reaction mode.

you would be an idiot to trust them.

pic.twitter.com/EOvUXdOTkm

— Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 7, 2023

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Wow, looks like touchless was wrong.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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C@LAg said:

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new policy effective this evening.

this is what you call emergency panic reaction mode.

you would be an idiot to trust them.

pic.twitter.com/EOvUXdOTkm

— Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 7, 2023

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Wow, looks like touchless was wrong.

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About what? Please quote me on what I was specifically said and was wrong about. I literally only asked a question and then gave an opinion when someone engaged in actual dialogue.

C@LAg said:

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new policy effective this evening.

this is what you call emergency panic reaction mode.

you would be an idiot to trust them.

pic.twitter.com/EOvUXdOTkm

— Liberty Safe (@libertysafeinc) September 7, 2023

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To be fair, I think you have to at least give them some credit. They ****ed up, they know they ****ed up and pissed off customers, they're essentially admitting they ****ed to try and satisfy customers. That's basically what the majority of people wanted from Bud Light. Come out and say you ****ed up and you're far more likely to get a better response from your core customers than if you just continue to pander to everyone.

Trust them or not after the fact is up to the individual, but at least their response to the reaction appears to be with good intent. Keyword is appears and never know for sure really.

Nah…they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

A mea culpa solely because they got caught and to try and retain business doesn't do anything for me.

That's fair. Generally speaking, it is nice to see a company at least acknowledge when they **** up. This just wasn't related to a 'woke' cause though. Just big brother overreach instead.

It's nice that they are going to start requiring a specific subpoena for the combination...but they should have required a specific subpoena for the information.

I think that they are honestly on "our side", and I wish them luck. But...this is going to sink them.

Ehhh…check the ownership.

It's better than Budlight, but still not a good look. No where do they apologize ( "we were wrong, we should not have done this thing, we ask for your forgiveness") and instead only offer justifications. They make no amends for the damage done to the customer whose privacy they invaded. They admit that their prior policy was to turn over combinations to law enforcement without a subpoena requiring them to do so.

Bottom line, when you've screwed up this big, it's not enough to try just take a neutral stance going forward.

If they want to break even or come out ahead of this situation, they should:

• apologize
• state backdoor safe codes will be sent to customer upon request, all are wiped in 90 days
• offer any customer wishing a replacement lock will be sent one for free
• donate $100k to the legal fund of Nathan Earl Hughes

This is just bad business. All you need to do is wait for a subpoena and be legally obligated to do so.

Even still a 40 dollar angle grinder will be more than enough for most safes. If you want the government to not have something a safe is a bad choice.

The correct response should have been "Contact us for your mastercode within the next 30 days and we will send it to you and give you instructions on how to change it. All internal lists for master codes will be deleted after 30 days. We have listened to you loud and clear."

"We know you don't trust us now to delete this information, which a 3rd party auditor has been contracted to handle this deletion."

lol, Liberty safe can't sell 'trust the FBI' to honor your 4th amendment rights... But they trying! It's so over.

Anybody post this news yet? Liberty says you can request that they expunge your combination code from their records:

https://www.newsweek.com/liberty-safe-responds-backlash-anger-fbi-code-1825252

Of course, this is Newsweek, which is a leftist rag.

Nanomachines son said:

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The correct response should have been "Contact us for your mastercode within the next 30 days and we will send it to you and give you instructions on how to change it. All internal lists for master codes will be deleted after 30 days. We have listened to you loud and clear."

"We know you don't trust us now to delete this information, which a 3rd party auditor has been contracted to handle this deletion."

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I can't see trusting them, nor a 3rd party "auditor" hired by them.

You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA

It's fixing to get way worse for them....

will25u said:

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We firmly believe in our customers' right and freedom to control their personal property. pic.twitter.com/3UfdsvPTxN

— SecureIt Gun Storage (@SecureItStorage) September 6, 2023

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CEO put out a video. It's a short one I promise but affirms they do not retain manufacturing access codes, never have, and implores the rest of the industry to stop doing it.

Watermelon Man said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION. pic.twitter.com/9S0xLlmwta

— Walleyes, Whitetails & Whiskeys are all around us (@weirbeard1) September 6, 2023

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So the government could just hire a locksmith as well.

Meaning they can get in these even if they didn't get the code

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I am sure there are folks on this board that know this, but apparently not all.

Liberty will only give the "back door" instructions to a licensed locksmith. The locksmith has a responsibility to keep that information confidential. The consumer has no obligation. That is why the consumer has to call a locksmith.

The FBI has licensed locksmiths on their payroll. That is why they don't have to call one, they already have one. Even with that, they had to provide a legitimate warrant to get the information.

If you think the lack of "back door" instructions would have kept the FBI out, you aren't thinking clearly. If they want in, they will get in.

If there was no "back door" Liberty Safes would sell very few units, since if a consumer forgot the combination, it would become a very large and expensive paperweight.

What some people decide to get riled up about is fascinating.

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Wait, so they will only give the access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger - to a locksmith, but won't give it to an FBI agent with a warrant unless the FBI agent is a locksmith?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

LOL.

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You really believe the "back door" is a simple access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger?

Talk about dumb things to read.

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Hey there Mr Watermelon Man.

So Liberty now says they will expunge your "access codes" if you contact them. If what you say is true, and the backdoor is more than simple access codes that are entered into the pad in the safe, explain how this solves anything.

I'll hang up and listen to your wisdom.

I think Liberty is being dog piled on by an activist wing of the right thats looking for todays cause. Everyone involved acted reasonably until some weird people started screaming on X.

Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Cynic said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION. pic.twitter.com/9S0xLlmwta

— Walleyes, Whitetails & Whiskeys are all around us (@weirbeard1) September 6, 2023

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So the government could just hire a locksmith as well.

Meaning they can get in these even if they didn't get the code

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I am sure there are folks on this board that know this, but apparently not all.

Liberty will only give the "back door" instructions to a licensed locksmith. The locksmith has a responsibility to keep that information confidential. The consumer has no obligation. That is why the consumer has to call a locksmith.

The FBI has licensed locksmiths on their payroll. That is why they don't have to call one, they already have one. Even with that, they had to provide a legitimate warrant to get the information.

If you think the lack of "back door" instructions would have kept the FBI out, you aren't thinking clearly. If they want in, they will get in.

If there was no "back door" Liberty Safes would sell very few units, since if a consumer forgot the combination, it would become a very large and expensive paperweight.

What some people decide to get riled up about is fascinating.

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Wait, so they will only give the access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger - to a locksmith, but won't give it to an FBI agent with a warrant unless the FBI agent is a locksmith?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

LOL.

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You really believe the "back door" is a simple access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger?

Talk about dumb things to read.

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Hey there Mr Watermelon Man.

So Liberty now says they will expunge your "access codes" if you contact them. If what you say is true, and the backdoor is more than simple access codes that are entered into the pad in the safe, explain how this solves anything.

I'll hang up and listen to your wisdom.

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There was no "master code" or backdoor. They kept the factory code that was programmed into the lock. So if you ever changed the code, then the company has no way to get into the safe.

Now, they were totally in the wrong for just volunteering the info on without an actual legal reason. And I don't think they should keep the original code either.

will25u said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Cynic said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION. pic.twitter.com/9S0xLlmwta

— Walleyes, Whitetails & Whiskeys are all around us (@weirbeard1) September 6, 2023

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So the government could just hire a locksmith as well.

Meaning they can get in these even if they didn't get the code

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I am sure there are folks on this board that know this, but apparently not all.

Liberty will only give the "back door" instructions to a licensed locksmith. The locksmith has a responsibility to keep that information confidential. The consumer has no obligation. That is why the consumer has to call a locksmith.

The FBI has licensed locksmiths on their payroll. That is why they don't have to call one, they already have one. Even with that, they had to provide a legitimate warrant to get the information.

If you think the lack of "back door" instructions would have kept the FBI out, you aren't thinking clearly. If they want in, they will get in.

If there was no "back door" Liberty Safes would sell very few units, since if a consumer forgot the combination, it would become a very large and expensive paperweight.

What some people decide to get riled up about is fascinating.

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Wait, so they will only give the access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger - to a locksmith, but won't give it to an FBI agent with a warrant unless the FBI agent is a locksmith?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

LOL.

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You really believe the "back door" is a simple access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger?

Talk about dumb things to read.

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Hey there Mr Watermelon Man.

So Liberty now says they will expunge your "access codes" if you contact them. If what you say is true, and the backdoor is more than simple access codes that are entered into the pad in the safe, explain how this solves anything.

I'll hang up and listen to your wisdom.

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There was no "master code" or backdoor. They kept the factory code that was programmed into the lock. So if you ever changed the code, then the company has no way to get into the safe.

Now, they were totally in the wrong for just volunteering the info on without an actual legal reason. And I don't think they should keep the original code either.

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Ok, but that still proves that Watermelon Man was wrong.

Space-Tech said:

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A few things.

• A company exists for only one purpose, to make money.
• If you think a company is "on your side" you are wrong.
• A company can only exist as so long the government allows it.

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My God you could not be more wrong. Did you pay ZERO attention in U.S History?

Here, let me help you out:

Quote:

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• A company government can only exist as so long the government PEOPLE allow it.

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will25u said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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Cynic said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION. pic.twitter.com/9S0xLlmwta

— Walleyes, Whitetails & Whiskeys are all around us (@weirbeard1) September 6, 2023

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So the government could just hire a locksmith as well.

Meaning they can get in these even if they didn't get the code

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I am sure there are folks on this board that know this, but apparently not all.

Liberty will only give the "back door" instructions to a licensed locksmith. The locksmith has a responsibility to keep that information confidential. The consumer has no obligation. That is why the consumer has to call a locksmith.

The FBI has licensed locksmiths on their payroll. That is why they don't have to call one, they already have one. Even with that, they had to provide a legitimate warrant to get the information.

If you think the lack of "back door" instructions would have kept the FBI out, you aren't thinking clearly. If they want in, they will get in.

If there was no "back door" Liberty Safes would sell very few units, since if a consumer forgot the combination, it would become a very large and expensive paperweight.

What some people decide to get riled up about is fascinating.

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Wait, so they will only give the access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger - to a locksmith, but won't give it to an FBI agent with a warrant unless the FBI agent is a locksmith?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

LOL.

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You really believe the "back door" is a simple access code - a code that is keyed in by any human with a finger?

Talk about dumb things to read.

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Hey there Mr Watermelon Man.

So Liberty now says they will expunge your "access codes" if you contact them. If what you say is true, and the backdoor is more than simple access codes that are entered into the pad in the safe, explain how this solves anything.

I'll hang up and listen to your wisdom.

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Now, they were totally in the wrong for just volunteering the info on without an actual legal reason. And I don't think they should keep the original code either.

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People lose their codes all the time. I do not agree at all. A safe has to be destroyed every time an owner forgets under your ideal.

Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe that you irresponsibly lost the combo to. I hear Liberty Safe has that option.

If you are incapable of keeping a safe combo then you probably shouldn't own a safe.

Touchless said:

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You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA

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You don't realize that you were arguing a giant strawman that it was necessary for Liberty to give these codes away or you were ok with kids getting sexually abused, and Liberty just showed that it actually was completely up to their discretion?