Liberty Safes have back door codes they will give to the govt

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In reply to will25u • 6:49p, 9/7/23
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will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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8:32p, 9/7/23
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:00p, 9/7/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?
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9:02p, 9/7/23
They should change their name. Somehow having "Liberty" in it doesn't seem to fit.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 9:10p, 9/7/23
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Slicer97 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?


Don't confuse opinion with fact.

A warrant is a good enough reason to most people.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 9:14p, 9/7/23
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Slicer97 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?


Except warrant compliance.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 9:55p, 9/7/23
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I don't recollect Liberty being subpoened. They wete under absolutely no legal obligation to hand over the codes without a subpoena.

They decided to screw over their client because they decided to screw over their client. And now that it's public knowledge that the corporation has been donating to the campaigns of gun-grabbing politicians, they'll likely be filing for bankruptcy in the near future. Good on them.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:56p, 9/7/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Slicer97 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?


Don't confuse opinion with fact.

A warrant is a good enough reason to most people.


I didn't. That appears to be your issue.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 10:05p, 9/7/23
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Slicer97 said:
I don't recollect Liberty being subpoened. They wete under absolutely no legal obligation to hand over the codes without a subpoena.

They decided to screw over their client because they decided to screw over their client. And now that it's public knowledge that the corporation has been donating to the campaigns of gun-grabbing politicians, they'll likely be filing for bankruptcy in the near future. Good on them.


Do you know the difference between a warrant and a subpoena? "Likely" & "near future" are pretty vague. Be more specific.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:09p, 9/7/23
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Ok. Where in the warrant was Liberty named?

The FBI had a warrant to search the dude's stuff. That's got nothing to do with Liberty. Liberty complied because they chose to. Not because they were legally required to. Why is that so difficult to understand?
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 10:10p, 9/7/23
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Slicer97 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?


Except warrant compliance.


Except that didn't happen
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In reply to Slicer97 • 10:22p, 9/7/23
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Quit moving the goal posts. First you claimed "no good reason" now you're figuring out the nuance. Make up your mind.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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10:25p, 9/7/23
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7 pages and nobody got the back door code to OP's wife?
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In reply to aggielostinETX • 10:34p, 9/7/23
Maybe they send proof of the perp trying to take a cops riot shield and they are pro police?
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 10:37p, 9/7/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Quit moving the goal posts. First you claimed "no good reason" now you're figuring out the nuance. Make up your mind.


What the **** are you babbeling about?

You do understand that the warrant is for the FBI to search Hughs' property, yes? You understand that Liberty is not mentioned in the warrant and the warrant has nothing to do with them, yes?

If the FBI wants to take a torch and cut dude's safe open, the warrant covers that. If the FBI asks Liberty to provide a code to open the safe, that's fine. If Liberty had said, "We'll do no such thing until such time as we are served with an order from the court to provide you those codes." that would be fine as well.

Liberty provided the codes because they chose to. They were under absolutely no legal obligation to do so.

Am I going too fast for you? Do I need to use words with fewer syllabels? What part of this are you not understanding?

Liberty did not have to provide the codes for the FBI to access someone's private property just because the FBI asked real nice. They chose to do so anyway. And you don't think their other customers should be pissed?
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 12:48a, 9/8/23
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Touchless said:
You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA


You don't realize that you were arguing a giant strawman that it was necessary for Liberty to give these codes away or you were ok with kids getting sexually abused, and Liberty just showed that it actually was completely up to their discretion?

Except that I never argued they should give them away. I never took a position I asked a question genius. There's a distinct difference between asking a question to have a conversation about it vs taking a position and saying the company was justified.

So again, please quote me where I was wrong. You didn't quote me. You can't even quote me as saying I supported what they did.

You just didn't like my responses and are trying to call me out for something I didn't say.
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1:39a, 9/8/23
Liberty should X post image of the search warrant. Until then, we know there were handing out safe combinations like candy to baby ass schmucks FBI ATF ...
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In reply to Slicer97 • 6:30a, 9/8/23
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You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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6:39a, 9/8/23
You don't mess with gun owners and beer drinkers.

Unlike AB, I expect Liberty could go belly up as word gets around.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 6:42a, 9/8/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.
Wow.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 7:12a, 9/8/23
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Quit moving the goal posts. First you claimed "no good reason" now you're figuring out the nuance. Make up your mind.


Watching you try to figure this out is like watching paint dry.

Take the L and move on.
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In reply to Manhattan • 7:13a, 9/8/23
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Maybe they send proof of the perp trying to take a cops riot shield and they are pro police?


Derp derp derp please notice me!!!!
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In reply to Touchless • 7:15a, 9/8/23
Touchless said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Touchless said:
You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA


You don't realize that you were arguing a giant strawman that it was necessary for Liberty to give these codes away or you were ok with kids getting sexually abused, and Liberty just showed that it actually was completely up to their discretion?

Except that I never argued they should give them away. I never took a position I asked a question genius. There's a distinct difference between asking a question to have a conversation about it vs taking a position and saying the company was justified.

So again, please quote me where I was wrong. You didn't quote me. You can't even quote me as saying I supported what they did.

You just didn't like my responses and are trying to call me out for something I didn't say.


Reading this thread all you've done is make yourself look foolish while calling other people names. It's like watching a 10 year old argue with adults.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 7:16a, 9/8/23
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!
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In reply to Slicer97 • 7:36a, 9/8/23
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Ok. Where in the warrant was Liberty named?

The FBI had a warrant to search the dude's stuff. That's got nothing to do with Liberty. Liberty complied because they chose to. Not because they were legally required to. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Their position reveals them to be a dumb*****

Liberal. Same thing. They don't understand *****
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In reply to Beast of Burden • 8:18a, 9/8/23
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Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!


Sure I guess I'm your daddy. Feds don't have warrants to get into my safe because I don't commit crimes. This isn't difficult to grasp for most people. Why are you struggling?
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to Beast of Burden • 8:31a, 9/8/23
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Beast of Burden said:
Touchless said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Touchless said:
You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA


You don't realize that you were arguing a giant strawman that it was necessary for Liberty to give these codes away or you were ok with kids getting sexually abused, and Liberty just showed that it actually was completely up to their discretion?

Except that I never argued they should give them away. I never took a position I asked a question genius. There's a distinct difference between asking a question to have a conversation about it vs taking a position and saying the company was justified.

So again, please quote me where I was wrong. You didn't quote me. You can't even quote me as saying I supported what they did.

You just didn't like my responses and are trying to call me out for something I didn't say.


Reading this thread all you've done is make yourself look foolish while calling other people names. It's like watching a 10 year old argue with adults.

If you're going to say I'm wrong about something I said, prove it. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong on something.

If you're going to call someone out, you should be able to back it up. I don't really feel like that's that controversial of an opinion.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 8:59a, 9/8/23
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!


Sure I guess I'm your daddy. Feds don't have warrants to get into my safe because I don't commit crimes. This isn't difficult to grasp for most people. Why are you struggling?


Ahhh yes…the "if you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to hide" schtick. Our constitutional rights don't work that way, homie. Why are YOU struggling?

And by the way, you are nobody's daddy, lib.
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In reply to Touchless • 9:00a, 9/8/23
Touchless said:
Beast of Burden said:
Touchless said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Touchless said:
You've continued posting this morning so I know you saw my response. Still waiting for you to quote what specifically I said that was wrong, especially as it relates to Liberty's response and new policy.

TIA


You don't realize that you were arguing a giant strawman that it was necessary for Liberty to give these codes away or you were ok with kids getting sexually abused, and Liberty just showed that it actually was completely up to their discretion?

Except that I never argued they should give them away. I never took a position I asked a question genius. There's a distinct difference between asking a question to have a conversation about it vs taking a position and saying the company was justified.

So again, please quote me where I was wrong. You didn't quote me. You can't even quote me as saying I supported what they did.

You just didn't like my responses and are trying to call me out for something I didn't say.


Reading this thread all you've done is make yourself look foolish while calling other people names. It's like watching a 10 year old argue with adults.

If you're going to say I'm wrong about something I said, prove it. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong on something.

If you're going to call someone out, you should be able to back it up. I don't really feel like that's that controversial of an opinion.


Read the thread, bro. You came into this thread and created a strawman where if you believe in constitutional rights then you must be for child endangerment. From that post on, you repeatedly begged for someone to aNsWeR yOuR qUeStIoN while calling others names for laughing at your dumb strawman argument. It's really silly to watch.

One thing everyone can see though is you are Mr. I Need The Last Word so I'll let you have it

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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:09a, 9/8/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!


Sure I guess I'm your daddy. Feds don't have warrants to get into my safe because I don't commit crimes. This isn't difficult to grasp for most people. Why are you struggling?
This is among the absolute dumbest and most ignorant of views to take possible.

Congrats.
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In reply to Beast of Burden • 9:12a, 9/8/23
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Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!


Sure I guess I'm your daddy. Feds don't have warrants to get into my safe because I don't commit crimes. This isn't difficult to grasp for most people. Why are you struggling?


Ahhh yes…the "if you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to hide" schtick. Our constitutional rights don't work that way, homie. Why are YOU struggling?

And by the way, you are nobody's daddy, lib.


Bingo.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:17a, 9/8/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
Beast of Burden said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You're not saying anything I didn't already know.

What you haven't figured out is that rational people (who aren't doing the internet tough guy thing) support law enforcement.


Ohhhh…I get it…

gOvErN mE hArDeR DADDY!!!


Sure I guess I'm your daddy. Feds don't have warrants to get into my safe because I don't commit crimes. This isn't difficult to grasp for most people. Why are you struggling?


Might be the worst take on this site I've seen in a few months…
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 9:18a, 9/8/23
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Slicer97 said:
PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.


You understand that Liberty had absolutely no good reason to turn that code over to the FBI, right?


Except warrant compliance.
Naahhh fam.

Liberty was not served the warrant. The feds asked them to violate private property of the owner, and Liberty chose to do so. That is wrong on every single level anybody with a semblance of understanding of how our system works can imagine.

The fact that Liberty has admitted they can open a safe anytime they want and they are willing to is inherently wrong. Because Liberty does not own the safe and therefore has absolutely zero rights or standing to open it. It really is a pretty simple concept, unless you believe it is acceptable for the feds to generate a warrant and then have the companies that manufacture anything you have bought and you own conveniently break into it for them.

Under no circumstances should the manufacturer of a safe have a master code, for this very reason. And under no circumstances should a manufacturer think they have the right or responsibility to provide the feds (or any leo) access.
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 9:21a, 9/8/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
will25u said:
Then you find a safe company that can get back into YOUR safe


So you support back doors. They have to get in somehow, after all. Thanks for agreeing with me.
It truly amazes me at the willful ignorance so many people have, and no matter what they are told and shown, they are still obvlivious to the fact that they are ignorant.
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9:28a, 9/8/23
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Okay then, show me the warrants that were issued to open/destroy gun safes w/o probable cause.

The system is working as designed and yet here you are crying about it while claiming I'm ignorant. The real fool is he who asserts that which is not so.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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