Resist? It's an all caps CLIMATE EMERGENCY!

Satellite image of California shows virtually no smoke across the state in typical peak fire season, with fire activity confined to the extreme northwest part of the state.

Only 257,000 acres have burned across the state this year, which is 4.5x fewer acres than the 5-year… pic.twitter.com/N7Old15Mzi

— Colin McCarthy (@US_Stormwatch) September 18, 2023

I mean, the Panama Canal is drying up and it's your fault.



Science says so.

agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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They don't even put any thought into this anymore.

Disappointing.

This thread never disappoints. I'm continually amazed by the climate change religion.

Water can't be pumped up hill. Everyone knows this, it's science.

agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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well, yeah, that's why the narrative changed from global "warming" and polar ice caps melting to "climate crisis".. with the new term, it can be contributed both fires and freezes as well as both droughts and storms, sea levels lowering and sea levels rising. Record low temperatures here? Record high temperatures over there! Isn't it wonderful? We can use the alarmism for anything mother nature throws out there!! Now, give the government all your money! Only they can fixt this by forcing you to stop driving your car and paying regulators to enforce it.

agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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The Canal is a series of canals that connect lakes, right? It would make sense that a lack of rainfall could cause issues with the water levels of those lakes. I'm not saying that is it but it's different than the Suez or Erie Canals.

Yes. Lakes that have enjoyed increasing annual rainfall since the 90's (per the Fact Check a couple of posts up). Even more water.

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agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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The Canal is a series of canals that connect lakes, right? It would make sense that a lack of rainfall could cause issues with the water levels of those lakes. I'm not saying that is it but it's different than the Suez or Erie Canals.

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Huh? A series of canals that have had water pumped in and out of them daily since the passage opened?

I think a better answer is that we need to have the Atlantic Ocean change its ethnicity to Mediterranean, Indian, or Arctic so it will be more inclusive and help fill the canal.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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The Canal is a series of canals that connect lakes, right? It would make sense that a lack of rainfall could cause issues with the water levels of those lakes. I'm not saying that is it but it's different than the Suez or Erie Canals.

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Huh? A series of canals that have had water pumped in and out of them daily since the passage opened?

I think a better answer is that we need to have the Atlantic Ocean change its ethnicity to Mediterranean, Indian, or Arctic so it will be more inclusive and help fill the canal.

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Yup. That Arctic Ocean just sounds white, and oppressive.

agent-maroon said:

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Yes. Lakes that have enjoyed increasing annual rainfall since the 90's (per the Fact Check a couple of posts up). Even more water.

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Fair enough. I wasn't making an argument, just providing some information.

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agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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well, yeah, that's why the narrative changed from global "warming" and polar ice caps melting to "climate crisis".. with the new term, it can be contributed both fires and freezes as well as both droughts and storms, sea levels lowering and sea levels rising. Record low temperatures here? Record high temperatures over there! Isn't it wonderful? We can use the alarmism for anything mother nature throws out there!! Now, give the government all your money! Only they can fixt this by forcing you to stop driving your car and paying regulators to enforce it.

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Don't forget, in the '70s, pollution was going to block out the sun and global cooling was going to trigger another ice age. They switched to global warming in the '80s. The planet would be uninhabitable in 20 years, the oceans were going to be dead in 15. Here we are, 35-40 years later and we're still here and the 15 to 20 years is still 15 to 20 years away. Somehow, being wrong every time doesn't seem to matter.

i wasn't here in the 70s for that, but i've been here since 1980 for the acid rain alarmism, then ozone hole alarmism, then global warming sea levels rising alarmism, now climate crisis alarmism that includes both freezes and fires and both droughts and storms. Whatever the alarm is, just know that the world is going to end soon unless governments manipulate economies and create new industries and certain elites get wealthy off of it while citizens get more impoverished.

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i wasn't here in the 70s for that, but i've been here since 1980 for the acid rain alarmism, then ozone hole alarmism, then global warming sea levels rising alarmism, now climate crisis alarmism that includes both freezes and fires and both droughts and storms. Whatever the alarm is, just know that the world is going to end soon unless governments manipulate economies and create new industries and certain elites get wealthy off of it while citizens get more impoverished.

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It a religion that requires blind faith in consensus.

VegasAg86 said:

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The planet would be uninhabitable in 20 years, the oceans were going to be dead in 15. Here we are, 35-40 years later and we're still here and the 15 to 20 years is still 15 to 20 years away. Somehow, being wrong every time doesn't seem to matter.

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Even the precious coral reefs are adapting and growing. Kinda crazy that they do that. I was told they would be gone in short order.

Leftists in a nutshell pic.twitter.com/RE4sBYX1xp

— Declaration of Memes (@LibertyCappy) September 19, 2023

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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The planet would be uninhabitable in 20 years, the oceans were going to be dead in 15. Here we are, 35-40 years later and we're still here and the 15 to 20 years is still 15 to 20 years away. Somehow, being wrong every time doesn't seem to matter.

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Even the precious coral reefs are adapting and growing. Kinda crazy that they do that. I was told they would be gone in short order.

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Coral has been around for 500+ million years. They've been through worse and adapted. They'll do just fine.

Not long ago, they sure were trying to beat that drum. Amazing the losses they pile up.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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The planet would be uninhabitable in 20 years, the oceans were going to be dead in 15. Here we are, 35-40 years later and we're still here and the 15 to 20 years is still 15 to 20 years away. Somehow, being wrong every time doesn't seem to matter.

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Even the precious coral reefs are adapting and growing. Kinda crazy that they do that. I was told they would be gone in short order.

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Coral has been around for 500+ million years. They've been through worse and adapted. They'll do just fine.

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nature will find a way, funny that it seems everyone that is in panic mode has no idea that God's plan is greater than all of us...

The Weather Channel's Absurd 'Hot' Propaganda

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The Weather Channel is absolutely ridiculous. The channel's "Weather Across the Country" map on their homepage for September 19 had red colors EVERYWHERE! Because it's HOT HOT HOT! No area of the country is experiencing normal weather for mid September, apparently. Chicago, for instance, was displayed as red to deep orange. Warm, right?

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Notice something odd about this graphic?


Or this one?


Surely this is not intentional?

Summer warming 1895-2023 in U.S. cities exaggerated by 100% from the urban heat island effect

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The UHI influence averaged across all stations is modest: 24% of the trend, 1895-2023. This is because the U.S. thermometer network used in Version 4 of GHCN is dominated by rural stations.

But for the average "suburban" (100-1,000 persons per sq. km) station, UHI is 52% of the calculated temperature trend, and 67% of the urban station trend (>1,000 persons per sq. km). This means warming has been exaggerated by at least a factor of 2 (100%).

This also means that media reports of record high temperatures in cities must be considered suspect, since essentially all those cities have grown substantially over the last 100+ years, and so has their urban heat island.

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How trees influence cloud formation

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As part of the international CLOUD project at the nuclear research center CERN, researchers at PSI have identified so-called sesquiterpenesgaseous hydrocarbons that are released by plantsas being a major factor in cloud formation. This finding could reduce uncertainties in climate models and help make more accurate predictions. The study has now been published in the journal Science Advances.

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Around 465 million metric tons of isoprene and 91 million metric tons of monoterpenes are released every year, whereas sesquiterpenes account for just 24 million metric tons. Nevertheless, the new study, of which Dada is the lead author, has shown that these compounds play an important role in cloud formation. According to the measurements, they form ten times more particles than the other two organic substances at the same concentration.

The enormous effect of sesquiterpenes was revealed when the researchers added sesquiterpenes into the chamber with a suspension of only isoprenes and monoterpenes. Even adding just two percent doubled the rate of new particle formation. "This can be explained by the fact that a sesquiterpene molecule consists of 15 carbon atoms, while monoterpenes consist of only ten and isoprenes only five," says Dada.

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oh no said:

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agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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well, yeah, that's why the narrative changed from global "warming" and polar ice caps melting to "climate crisis".. with the new term, it can be contributed both fires and freezes as well as both droughts and storms, sea levels lowering and sea levels rising. Record low temperatures here? Record high temperatures over there! Isn't it wonderful? We can use the alarmism for anything mother nature throws out there!! Now, give the government all your money! Only they can fixt this by forcing you to stop driving your car and paying regulators to enforce it.

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Don't forget, in the '70s, pollution was going to block out the sun and global cooling was going to trigger another ice age. They switched to global warming in the '80s. The planet would be uninhabitable in 20 years, the oceans were going to be dead in 15. Here we are, 35-40 years later and we're still here and the 15 to 20 years is still 15 to 20 years away. Somehow, being wrong every time doesn't seem to matter.

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Acid rain was in those years somewhere, I remember.

Seeing a lot of reports of snow up in in the mountains already, to include Mammoth where folks were just skiing in Aug this year. Weird. Must be fake news.

With all the brouhaha about *record* temperatures due to an El Nino weather event, this paper seems timely:

More Real-World Evidence Indicates 'Trace Gases Such As CO2 Don't Have Any Influence…On Climate'

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But a real-world outdoor experiment (Allmendinger, 2023) involving containers heated by sunlight reveals there is no equilibrium temperature or heating rate difference when filling a container with 100% CO2 vs. 100% argon (Ar), a non-greenhouse gas. That's because noble gases (like Ar) absorb radiation too.

Furthermore, there is only a modest (<5%) temperature differential when the container is filled with only air (21% O2, 78% N2, 0.042% CO2) vs. a 100% (1,000,000 ppm) CO2-filled container. Like Ar, O2 and N2 are regarded as non-greenhouse gases, but they nonetheless absorb thermal radiation too.

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how is this thread still going over 20 pages later when we were informed on page 1 that the science was settled?

Many of you are either heartless or just not focusing on the end result of this global warming. Imagine the plight of the polar bears when the ice melts right out from under them. When several thousand of them migrate through the Panama Canal, swimming in large groups, searching for an iceberg or even a half-empty cup of ice from Sonic, pissed off about their ice melting, sweating in that white winter fur, mad at the world, some people are going to be laughing out of the other side of their face.

don't worry. they will adapt.



darwin is settled science.

If there really was then patents on technologies like Toyota's hybrids would be shared with all automakers so the world consumes less gas and doesn't burn itself to death with global warming.

Stossel full interview with climate scientist Judith Curry who is hated by the climate change nuts.

Selection Bias In Datasets Advances A False Narrative The Sun Has No Climate Impact

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Solar forcing may have a 4 to 7 times greater effect on climate change than current climate models indicate, which may mean modern climate change is predominantly natural rather than anthropogenic.

Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) attribution may be significantly dependent on the choice of dataset.

Advocates of AGW may only use Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) reconstructions that align with the perspective that the Sun has little to no impact on climate. Consequently, climate models may only use the PMOD's model-based satellite data (which shows a declining trend since 1980) rather than the ACRIM (which shows an increasing TSI trend from the 1980s to 2000s).

The biased selection of long-term TSI reconstructions that show little to no variability are also preferred over TSI reconstructions with large variability. For example, the uncertainty in the estimate of the increase in TSI since the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) ranges anywhere from 0.75 W/m to 6.3 W/m (Yeo et al., 2020). AGW advocates will, of course, select the lowest TSI change value (0.75 W/m) and reject the higher values (6.3 W/m), as then it is much easier to attribute modern warming to anthropogenic activity rather than to solar forcing.

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wxmanX said:

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yea, whatever.

World is 1.6C above the mean, NATL highest temps ever, Gulf highest temps ever. Record warm TX, highest lows ever in Baton Rouge, Tampa, Miami, PHX this year.
Morrocco 122F, highest ever.
Greece, 119F highest ever.
Spain 118F tied highest ever

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lol

What's the correct temperature and where's the thermostat? Government taxes fix it? Move to a mud hut somewhere and exist off of berries and twigs if you think it matters.

lmao

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Yep!

The climate crisis is a lot like Aggie football.

"Just wait til next year."

agent-maroon said:

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Panama Canal has the Pacific Ocean on one end and the Atlantic Ocean on the other, both of which have levels that are supposedly rising because of AGW induced polar ice melting, and they can't find water to fill the canal if it's drying up?

lol

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Technically it's not polar ice - it's land based ice. South pole yes because much of the ice is on the continent of Antarctica. south pole, not so much as the ice is all sea ice. However Greenland has a lot of land based ice.

But I get your premise. Why would Panama Canal have low water level if ocean levels are supposedly on the rise due to melting of land based ice and due to expansion of water due to temp rise.