BREAKING: As expected, Judge Cannon will delay the trial schedule in Jack Smith's classified documents case against Trump. Details to follow pic.twitter.com/NLuZjF7ckG

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) November 3, 2023

Portions of transcript from 11/1

And then this tidbit. A few weeks after the indictment was handed down, someone at Biden's DOE noticed Trump still had security clearance for that agency and sent a memo saying his clearance should be removed. pic.twitter.com/cjCu9VJ3gI

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) November 3, 2023

That doesn't make sense. We were told this was not a political attack against Trump and that the DOJ was reluctant to go after a former president, it was just going by the book.

I guess they must have forgotten to confirm if it was actually illegal for Trump to have documents before charging him for some reason...

Jack Smith just filed his omnibus motion in response to Trump’s various motions to dismiss. It’s hard to underscore how risky it is for DOJ to defend 1512c2 based on 2 very muddled appellate court rulings perhaps headed to SCOTUS for review. pic.twitter.com/UjLqnGGaVg

— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) November 6, 2023

Wrong case.

Im Gipper said:

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Wrong case.

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I can't keep them straight. But I have a great excuse!!!

Congrats!!!


Great looking kid!!

will25u said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Wrong case.

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I can't keep them straight. But I have a great excuse!!!

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Congrats to you both! Name for this little prince?

Congrats. My newborn Nathan says hello to Everett

Derail for an Angel always allowed!

Congrats again!

Congrats!

Everett is two weeks old today, and is religious with him wanting fed every 3 hours.

That's awesome, man!! Congratulations!

Don't apologize for the derail. That is what really matters in this world.

TXAggie2011 said:

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This case is increasingly pointing towards an appeal by the government regarding Judge Cannon's handling of the CIPA process. We're not even to hard part of CIPA cases.

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And we're spiraling even further towards an interlocutory appeal by the government after a new order today…

Judge Cannon’s order today not only postpones many trial deadlines in USA v Trump (MaL)—one by >17 weeks—but suggests she may allow an unprecedented approach to a CIPA issue that may force govt to bring an interlocutory appeal ...https://t.co/aYrwEd5pA8
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— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) November 10, 2023

Given how insanely biased the DC and NY judges have been against Trump hard for me to give a flip this lady is biased in his favor.

TXAggie2011 said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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This case is increasingly pointing towards an appeal by the government regarding Judge Cannon's handling of the CIPA process. We're not even to hard part of CIPA cases.

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And we're spiraling even further towards an interlocutory appeal by the government after a new order today…

Judge Cannon’s order today not only postpones many trial deadlines in USA v Trump (MaL)—one by >17 weeks—but suggests she may allow an unprecedented approach to a CIPA issue that may force govt to bring an interlocutory appeal ...https://t.co/aYrwEd5pA8
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— Roger Parloff (@rparloff) November 10, 2023

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Interesting that giving a defendant enough time to mount a defense is such an issue.

An appeal wouldn't be about the timeline but rather the procedure Cannon is adopting under Sections 3 and 4 of CIPA

TXAggie2011 said:

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An appeal wouldn't be about the timeline but rather the procedure Cannon is adopting under Sections 3 and 4 of CIPA

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What would the effect be of them winning an appeal on the timeline?

Im Gipper said:

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Given how insanely biased the DC and NY judges have been against Trump hard for me to give a flip this lady is biased in his favor.

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I agree. I think our entire justice system should have biased judges for a while going forward. And the trick is to get your case before someone who holds the same biases. That way we won't be convicted of anything. But if you get one on the other side, its a guarantee.

Yep, this is were our country is headed, tit for tat. I'm sure it will stop after everyone agrees 'okay okay, even steven now'.

Retribution, the great equalizer.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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An appeal wouldn't be about the timeline but rather the procedure Cannon is adopting under Sections 3 and 4 of CIPA

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What would the effect be of them winning an appeal on the timeline?

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By the time they got through the appeal, she re-worked the scheduling order to reflect another procedure, and they got through that procedure, I can't imagine it would notably speed things up.

The only way the speed of this case were to notably accelerate would probably be if a winning appeal was followed by a winning effort at obtaining her recusal. (Edit-And I'm not saying she should recuse. I'm saying that's the only way the pace seems it would pick up.)

At least that's my view.

TXAggie2011 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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An appeal wouldn't be about the timeline but rather the procedure Cannon is adopting under Sections 3 and 4 of CIPA

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What would the effect be of them winning an appeal on the timeline?

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By the time they got through the appeal, she re-worked the scheduling order to reflect another procedure, and they got through that procedure, I can't imagine it would notably speed things up.

The only way the speed of this case were to notably accelerate would probably be if a winning appeal was followed by a winning effort at obtaining her recusal. (Edit-And I'm not saying she should recuse. I'm saying that's the only way the pace seems it would pick up.)

At least that's my view.

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So, what is the purpose of the appeal?

Since Smith has no case and Trump has several layers of defenses, I imagine the DOJ is in no hurry for any activity on this. They got their indictment, that's all that matters.

See the pearl-clutching TDS suffering fools on here always referring to his "91 felonies".

From the filings especially the response times it appears DOJ is in a hurry and Cannon/Trump are seeking every possible avenue to delay.

Why did you stop posting under your John Maplethorpe or whatever username that was?

DOJ requested a December 2023 trial date.

government’s trial, date proposal, which Cannon has ordered Trump to respond to by July 6, includes a detailed timeline of everything leading up to the trial, in particular, the classified docs litigation.

230623 CIPA Schedule - DocumentCloud https://t.co/zPjP5aF4RU

— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) June 27, 2023

Trump team did not suggest a date in this case other than "after the election" but requested a 2025 date for the DC case.

Then they probably should have kept the SCIF at M-A-L, had plans to setup a temporary facility for Trump and his lawyers before indicting, and probably should be using the civil procedures through NARA to determine the proper classification and storage of presidential records.

Instead, they fabricated a case, forgot to remove Trump's security clearance until someone brought it up, then removed it to add a hurdle for him and his defense attorneys, then continue to leak information to mislead poor misguided souls who think the DOJ and Smith are after the truth and justice.

fka ftc said:

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Since Smith has no case and Trump has several layers of defenses, I imagine the DOJ is in no hurry for any activity on this.

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Nah. The docket in this case is full of Trump asking for more time and DOJ opposing any extensions of time.

Article III judge has immense control over her docket. DOJ and 11th Cir are free to tell her to hurry up as much as they want but they're not going to get much traction.

TXAggie2011 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Since Smith has no case and Trump has several layers of defenses, I imagine the DOJ is in no hurry for any activity on this.

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Nah. The docket in this case is full of Trump asking for more time and DOJ opposing any extensions of time.

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Pure posturing. They don't want to hurry up. The only way they would be okay with hurrying up is if Trump pleads guilty and agrees to leave the country never to return.

Else, they would have moved mountains to allow for Trump and his lawyers to prepare their defense. So... me thinks if you believe the DOJ is trying to hurry, you may simply be complicit in the political persecution of Trump.

Its a sad look, particularly for people who claim familiarity with the judicial system.

Why would they set up a SCIF at the club of a private citizen without a security clearance? Especially one who illegally hoarded top secret documents?

You're so lost on this. He's toast, even with this bizarre MAGA judge playing goalie.

They do not have to give him a SCIF at his residence for legal defense work, that would be quite stupid.

NARA has never set up SCIFs for classified documents or let former presidents keep them.

Whistle Pig said:

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They do not have to give him a SCIF at his residence for legal defense work, that would be quite stupid.

NARA has never set up SCIFs for classified documents or let former presidents keep them.

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They have to provide some facility and it has to be reasonable in location and convenience to the defense. Putting one in the middle of Hunter's human trafficking lair in the Gobi desert doesn't work.

And yes they have. George HW Bush had millions and millions at his residence in College Station.

fka ftc said:

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Whistle Pig said:

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Why would they set up a SCIF at the club of a private citizen without a security clearance? Especially one who illegally hoarded top secret documents?

You're so lost on this. He's toast, even with this bizarre MAGA judge playing goalie.

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Keep on whistling lil piggie.

They HAVE to set it up because they accused him of a crime and he has a right to a defense.

Or they simply could have setup / kept in place a secure facility at M-A-L when NARA shipped all those documents to Trump or they could have provided for storage as they have done for every prior POTUS.

But you know this, it has been discussed on this thread and others.

Also, you know its not illegal for a former POTUS to keep personal AND presidential records from their time in office. The only illegal thing is to destroy them or otherwise make them permanently unavailable.

Sorry, maybe the Jan 6th, Bragg or Leticia will still get him for you.

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Have they ever set up a private SCIF for anyone accused of crimes involving classified documents?

Even just once?

No, typically the DOJ is forthright in the types of documents that the alleged perp had in their possession, actual clarity about why the docs were not authorized to be in possession, and they typically have not coordinated with other departments in the executive to ship classified docs to a location that use to be secure, then one day say its not secure after the documents have been received, then visit the now unsecure location that has 24/7 surveillance and armed security and ask that the documents be moved to a room with a more secure lock, then leak pictures of hats and magazines and claim a crime has been committed by a former POTUS and current opposition to the sitting POTUS.

Nope, those things are sort of new here.