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Well this thread lasted longer than I anticipated since I don't have an Ag Tag, so here are my final two cents....

The most basic fundamental principle as a Conservative voting American is Individual Freedom. That is, when making decisions, they are made for individual freedom over that of growing govt. Basic, one and only do not break rule other than US Constitution decisions (ie Military).

Education, not in the Constitution. Nowhere is Art1Sec8 does it say Congress has the right to pay for education so it defaults to Art1Sec10. Our state pays for education, but only if you choose their no longer relevant, enemy owned, bullshat curriculum, No God, Sport driven ISDs. That doesn't fly, especially when Texans should have the absolute BEST available to them.

These 24 fake republicans, the only 24 representatives that have been publicly approved by the TEA (not sure about the 7 that voted present) should have voted with their peers with a YES. If for any reason at all, to take back our individual freedom to educate our children as each family desires. This was a principled decision and an easy one at that.

For those of you who think it is okay for conservatives to not see eye to eye on every issue, I say you are correct. However, on this issue, it is non-negotiable. You need to figure out that individual freedom TRUMPS ALL in decision making, especially when we tack back such a huge chunk of territory that the enemy has taken from us.

Principled?

Are you looking at the same bill? $8,000 dollars with NO accountability on how that is spent which is more than most pay in taxes. As a fiscal conservative it is dead in the water just on that principle.

Then add in that we have not fully funded public education. The state of Texas is 41st in funding public education and our public schools are performing BETTER than charter and private schools WITH less money going to administration costs. link

The research on vouchers show that on a small scale they improve outcomes for students (marginally) but statewide they have been a HUGE waste of money as new private schools open up and close and have showed negative effects up there such as what happened with the COVID shutdown.

I am all for school choice but done through accountability and structures in place that the current bill does not have. What happens when a kid takes the money for private or home school and then decided to come back to public school?

Right now the bill does not answer any of it. A person could use state money for abortion given the current stipulations in the bill...that is not a principled republican idea either.

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shiftyandquick said:

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Can the parent just pocket the $6,000 and stick their kid in front of the TV?

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Yes, they could have.

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Nice. Then when the kids are grown we get to pay for the prison bill. Great investment for the state of Texas.

I love establishment Republicans. They saved the day once again against the crazy extremists on the right.

Well said.

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Can the parent just pocket the $6,000 and stick their kid in front of the TV?

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Yes, they could have.

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Nice. Then when the kids are grown we get to pay for the prison bill. Great investment for the state of Texas.

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Still better than the current state of government education.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

Eta: it would go up some of course. But on a dollar/student basis private schools do a much better job educating students more efficiently for less money than do public schools. Do you think there aren't homeschool programs/curriculum I'd be able to afford where let's say the kids go to a physical school building at a parish in town one day a week, and then learn part time online supplementing their at home education? There are a lot of options currently just out of reach for a lot of people, and this would create the incentives for people to expand their offerings, and others to open new schools.

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What's the problem with inclusion of special needs kids with normal classrooms?

Totally depends on the level of attention the student needs. Some students dominate the teacher's attention. Some levels of special Ed require nurses and teaching assistants due to their special needs. Behavioral issue students are similar.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

Eta: it would go up some of course. But on a dollar/student basis private schools do a much better job educating students more efficiently for less money than do public schools. Do you think there aren't homeschool programs/curriculum I'd be able to afford where let's say the kids go to a physical school building at a parish in town one day a week, and then learn part time online supplementing their at home education? There are a lot of options currently just out of reach for a lot of people, and this would create the incentives for people to expand their offerings, and others to open new schools.

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What's the problem with inclusion of special needs kids with normal classrooms?

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Some kids are so disruptive it's detrimental to the other kids.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

Eta: it would go up some of course. But on a dollar/student basis private schools do a much better job educating students more efficiently for less money than do public schools. Do you think there aren't homeschool programs/curriculum I'd be able to afford where let's say the kids go to a physical school building at a parish in town one day a week, and then learn part time online supplementing their at home education? There are a lot of options currently just out of reach for a lot of people, and this would create the incentives for people to expand their offerings, and others to open new schools.

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What's the problem with inclusion of special needs kids with normal classrooms?

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Some kids are so disruptive it's detrimental to the other kids.

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Bob said the quiet part out loud. Pro-life but once that baby is born I don't care.

As I posted above. My son is special needs. He was disruptive to the rest of the class.

Would you like to claim I don't care about him for stating that?

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

Eta: it would go up some of course. But on a dollar/student basis private schools do a much better job educating students more efficiently for less money than do public schools. Do you think there aren't homeschool programs/curriculum I'd be able to afford where let's say the kids go to a physical school building at a parish in town one day a week, and then learn part time online supplementing their at home education? There are a lot of options currently just out of reach for a lot of people, and this would create the incentives for people to expand their offerings, and others to open new schools.

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What's the problem with inclusion of special needs kids with normal classrooms?

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Some kids are so disruptive it's detrimental to the other kids.

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Bob said the quiet part out loud. Pro-life but once that baby is born I don't care.

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I must have missed something. I don't think we're doing these kids any favors by putting them in class with kids they're not on the same level with. This girl has the emotional maturity of a 3 yr old. That's what I think. How is that uncaring exactly?

the way it first came across that inclusion is a bad thing. I guess I'm a little sensitive on that topic. Every kid is different, but I like the fact that our school district does inclusive time. It's not much, and we do have an aid right there with him. Sorry those Teacher Aids make it seem like public school is a racket.

As far as vouchers go, I would be interested in how that impacts special needs.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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What's "hair-brained" about school choice?

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It's a lot more complicated than just "give parents the choice". On paper, it sounds really easy and makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of unanswered questions and unknown variables. In no particular order:

• School choice would further widen the education divide. Poor kids would really have no choice due economic issues. They will inevitably all be lumped into "the" school(s).
• Being able to pick and choose students would lead back to #1. Schools will end up being top-heavy on performance, creating something akin to colleges. Again, sounds somewhat great. I mean it creates incentives right? Perform well in 5th grade, and you might get into that prestigious middle school. That's a lot of burden and stress on young children. And what about ESL kids who struggle early with reading/writing comprehension?
• What about kids who require special needs? Schools who get to pick and choose will not accept students with needs. This is already the case with charter schools. Again, so these students will be lumped into the "bad" school and not get the service they need.

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The liberal answer: because some kids will be in bad learning situations, it is only fair that all kids be in bad learning situations.

On one hand it is so easy for liberals to acknowledge there are problem kids yet they seem to do nothing to actually solve the problem kid problem.

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Is that what you think I said? That's your 'good faith' interpretation of the points I just listed out?

Despite my better judgement, I'll indulge. Children to wealthy parents will ALWAYS have opportunity to school choice. They can either enroll in private school or move to a more preferable district. Children of poor households do not have that privlege and RELY EXCLUSIVELY on the avenues afforded to them by the public school system. Instituting school choice will likely aid wealthy households and punish poor homes. THAT was my point.

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1. Texas public schools don't have a revenue problem they have an administration and bureaucracy problem.
2. Competition will push public schools to be better. They will want to be able to keep moderately wealthy students. They also have the sports advantage.
3. Innovation and adaptation of effective learning techniques will multiply in an environment that rewards and supports that. Which is definitely not public schools. (Not saying no new innovation takes place but that it is limited due to incentives).

Your point was more of a strawman. Yes rich kids will always have a leg up. The question is what actually gives poor and middle class kids the best outcome. Choice is the answer. Competition is the answer.

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What's "hair-brained" about school choice?

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It's a lot more complicated than just "give parents the choice". On paper, it sounds really easy and makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of unanswered questions and unknown variables. In no particular order:

• School choice would further widen the education divide. Poor kids would really have no choice due economic issues. They will inevitably all be lumped into "the" school(s).
• Being able to pick and choose students would lead back to #1. Schools will end up being top-heavy on performance, creating something akin to colleges. Again, sounds somewhat great. I mean it creates incentives right? Perform well in 5th grade, and you might get into that prestigious middle school. That's a lot of burden and stress on young children. And what about ESL kids who struggle early with reading/writing comprehension?
• What about kids who require special needs? Schools who get to pick and choose will not accept students with needs. This is already the case with charter schools. Again, so these students will be lumped into the "bad" school and not get the service they need.

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The liberal answer: because some kids will be in bad learning situations, it is only fair that all kids be in bad learning situations.

On one hand it is so easy for liberals to acknowledge there are problem kids yet they seem to do nothing to actually solve the problem kid problem.

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Is that what you think I said? That's your 'good faith' interpretation of the points I just listed out?

Despite my better judgement, I'll indulge. Children to wealthy parents will ALWAYS have opportunity to school choice. They can either enroll in private school or move to a more preferable district. Children of poor households do not have that privlege and RELY EXCLUSIVELY on the avenues afforded to them by the public school system. Instituting school choice will likely aid wealthy households and punish poor homes. THAT was my point.

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1. Texas public schools don't have a revenue problem they have an administration and bureaucracy problem.
2. Competition will push public schools to be better. They will want to be able to keep moderately wealthy students. They also have the sports advantage.
3. Innovation and adaptation of effective learning techniques will multiply in an environment that rewards and supports that. Which is definitely not public schools. (Not saying no new innovation takes place but that it is limited due to incentives).

Your point was more of a strawman. Yes rich kids will always have a leg up. The question is what actually gives poor and middle class kids the best outcome. Choice is the answer. Competition is the answer.

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Their home is the answer. As long as home doesn't care about education, it doesn't matter what learning environment economically disadvantaged kids come from, they're placed at a terrible disadvantage because of their parents.

I've worked in the most affluent of affluent schools at Boston Latin to the most inner city in Detroit and all things in between. For the vast majority, home life will determine success or failure.

I agree with that. I do think "choice" gives people a greater sense of ownership of the learning of their kids.

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I agree with that. I do think "choice" gives people a greater sense of ownership of the learning of their kids.

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Public school is seen (often subconsciously) as free child care for most people, even most people who deeply love their children. Especially now with two income households being necessary for so many American families. The single biggest annual challenge for MILLIONS of households is "what do we do with the kids during summer break"?

It just is what it is

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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Brooks Landgraf is Ector County and an Aggie. And his daughter I guarantee will be going to a private school if she isn't already.

He has gotten lots of anger over the vote, but he is solid and won't be primaried….

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As I posted above. My son is special needs. He was disruptive to the rest of the class.

Would you like to claim I don't care about him for stating that?

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I don't know who you are and clearly wasn't talking to you.

I'll take that as both a "no" and invalidation of your bs attempt at a point.

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As I posted above. My son is special needs. He was disruptive to the rest of the class.

Would you like to claim I don't care about him for stating that?

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I don't know who you are and clearly wasn't talking to you.

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People who take general truths about statistical groups and focus on individual exceptions are frustrating. You obviously weren't talking about him specifically.

What specific statistical truth are you citing?

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the way it first came across that inclusion is a bad thing. I guess I'm a little sensitive on that topic. Every kid is different, but I like the fact that our school district does inclusive time. It's not much, and we do have an aid right there with him. Sorry those Teacher Aids make it seem like public school is a racket.

As far as vouchers go, I would be interested in how that impacts special needs.

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Yeah it's not inclusion per se. It's inclusion at any cost, and without regard to what's best for the sped students and the other students. I think the money spent hiring what amount to baby sitters could be better spent. I think if any of my children had special needs, give me that person's salary so I could pursue something tailored to my child's needs.

The girl I cited as an example has an extremely low IQ. I was in my wife's classroom the other day, and she was eating a turkey leg and spitting it back out onto the floor. She can't participate in any actual learning because she hasn't developed to the point that it's even possible given the subject matter.

To all of you who made excuses to not take back individual freedom in a massive way, you are just as much the problem and part of the reason why we are losing massive ground. There is no fiscal reason to hold back families from school choice. There has not been a sound fiscal decision made since the Louisiana purchase. This was an opportunity to take the first step in defeating enemy teacher unions and a major step in making ISDs smaller (oh and let's evaluate those outstanding bond fiscal decisions).

I am not saying there will not be another moment to take back the family freedom to make their own decisions, but 24 representatives were more worried about appealing to the enemy TEA/Teacher Union than making a very simple decision to support individual freedom.

I'm certain that I will eventually be very distressed over your opinion of me not being a proponent of this poorly written amendment. Carry on calling everyone a communist.

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To all of you who made excuses to not take back individual freedom in a massive way, you are just as much the problem and part of the reason why we are losing massive ground. There is no fiscal reason to hold back families from school choice. There has not been a sound fiscal decision made since the Louisiana purchase. This was an opportunity to take the first step in defeating enemy teacher unions and a major step in making ISDs smaller (oh and let's evaluate those outstanding bond fiscal decisions).

I am not saying there will not be another moment to take back the family freedom to make their own decisions, but 24 representatives were more worried about appealing to the enemy TEA/Teacher Union than making a very simple decision to support individual freedom.

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Do you think ISD's want to take out debt? They are simply following the funding rules set out for them. ISD's do not think it's a good system either. The template for public education was outlined in the Texas Constitution.

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They've already been evaluated - by the communities that approved them... you know local control, individual freedom, and such.

I also drove all across the state this morning and saw no gates or barricades across any major roads, restricting people's abilities to move. Guess they don't like that individual freedom / choice either.

Your claim of a vote against this budget bill amendment is bowing to TEA and teachers unions? And anti-individual freedom. Perhaps their constituents supported that vote. Perhaps this isn't the process to litigate the voucher issue (meaning it will make its way through as an independent bill). Perhaps none of them know crap about teachers unions (which we don't have in Texas) or the TEA. Perhaps you would like to walk us through the details of how these vouchers would work in the landscape of our constitutional directives and funding system?

Perhaps you'd like to define the problem that these vouchers solve. Nobody does that well. And nobody does even a fair job of detailing the pros / cons (costs and benefits) for student academic outcomes in either public Ed, private, home if these vouchers pass.

Choices exists. Does more money increase choice? Maybe. How much makes a difference? How much money makes how much choice? Model that please.

Is competition good for quality. Theoretically yes. But do we promote competition on the same playing field? This does not. Accountability through the state is day and night.

I respect individual freedom and your passion but please go intellectually deeper and walk us through the mechanics, costs, benefits, goals, intentions, outcome impacts etc.

Because our legislators sure won't do any of that.

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Your claim of a vote against this budget bill amendment is bowing to TEA and teachers unions? And anti-individual freedom. Perhaps their constituents supported that vote. Perhaps this isn't the process to litigate the voucher issue (meaning it will make its way through as an independent bill). Perhaps none of them know crap about teachers unions (which we don't have in Texas) or the TEA. Perhaps you would like to walk us through the details of how these vouchers would work in the landscape of our constitutional directives and funding system?

Perhaps you'd like to define the problem that these vouchers solve. Nobody does that well. And nobody does even a fair job of detailing the pros / cons (costs and benefits) for student academic outcomes in either public Ed, private, home if these vouchers pass.

Choices exists. Does more money increase choice? Maybe. How much makes a difference? How much money makes how much choice? Model that please.

Is competition good for quality. Theoretically yes. But do we promote competition on the same playing field? This does not. Accountability through the state is day and night.

I respect individual freedom and your passion but please go intellectually deeper and walk us through the mechanics, costs, benefits, goals, intentions, outcome impacts etc.

Because our legislators sure won't do any of that.

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I just don't want to keep subsidizing the indoctrination of our kids. If people want to support government schools, fine, just don't make me support their degeneracy.

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I just don't want to keep subsidizing the indoctrination of our kids. If people want to support government schools, fine, just don't make me support their degeneracy.

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I completely agree with this... so I'm sincerely curious how you see vouchers helping. (Honestly, your post is exactly one of the reasons why I couldn't support this amendment and yet we're on different sides of the coin).

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Choosing single issues and claiming those that don't agree with them "should be primaried" seems less than ideal.

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Reducing parental rights for parents to choose education and offer true educational freedom is much more than a single issue.

Why should students in a failing school district be REQUIRED to stay instead of taking the tax dollars to a district or private school that actually educates and improves children?

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There are plenty of "Open Enrollment" public school districts that parents can apply for their student to attend and take their tax dollars to that district. Many districts are struggling to keep enrollment up. The district I am in has over 2500 Open Enrollment students out of 12,500 in the district. There are options other than vouchers.

I think you're mistaken about "taking their tax dollars to" a district other than the one in which their property is.

True.... but if a public school has open enrollment, it's basically arguing semantics....

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I think you're mistaken about "taking their tax dollars to" a district other than the one in which their property is.

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True as far as they do still pay school taxes to ISD lived in. The Open Enrollment district receiving the students does receive Average Daily attendance, so basically $11,000 per kid. If you are going to an OE district you do not have to pay any other enrollment fees, you just have to provide your own transportation.

Is open enrollment what goes on in south Dallas, Duncanville, desoto? I've been lead to believe many of those that play for south oak cliff dont actually live in that school area.