I am listening to Glenn and Stu this am and Glenn is in the process of tweeting the list of GOP Texas Reps that voted NO or Present in regards to the School Vouchers/School Choice.

I do not have social media other than F16 (if you consider this social media). Would somebody mind posting those names here. These representatives need to be Primaried in March.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_705ee2da-d577-11ed-9066-5b50f0967ff3.html

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According to the recorded vote, the 24 Republicans who voted with Democrats against funding ESAs were Reps. Steve Allison, Trent Ashby, Ernest Bailes, Keith Bell, DeWayne Burns, Travis Clardy, Drew Darby, Charlie Geren, Justina Holland, Kyle Kacal, Ken King, John Kuempel, Stan Lambert, Brooks Landgraf, Andy Murr, Angelia Orr, Four Price, John Raney, Glenn Rogers, Hugh Shine, Reggie Smith, David Spiller and Gary VanDeaver.

The 10 Republicans who voted "present," were Reps. Brad Buckley, David Cook, Mano DeAyala, Frederick Frazier, Cody Harris, John Lujan, Shelby Slawson, Kronda Thimesch, and Ed Thompson.

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These representatives need to be Primaried in March.

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Choosing single issues and claiming those that don't agree with them "should be primaried" seems less than ideal.

Old May Banker said:

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These representatives need to be Primaried in March.

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Choosing single issues and claiming those that don't agree with them "should be primaried" seems less than ideal.

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Reducing parental rights for parents to choose education and offer true educational freedom is much more than a single issue.

Why should students in a failing school district be REQUIRED to stay instead of taking the tax dollars to a district or private school that actually educates and improves children?

IndividualFreedom said:

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https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_705ee2da-d577-11ed-9066-5b50f0967ff3.html

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According to the recorded vote, the 24 Republicans who voted with Democrats against funding ESAs were Reps. Steve Allison, Trent Ashby, Ernest Bailes, Keith Bell, DeWayne Burns, Travis Clardy, Drew Darby, Charlie Geren, Justina Holland, Kyle Kacal, Ken King, John Kuempel, Stan Lambert, Brooks Landgraf, Andy Murr, Angelia Orr, Four Price, John Raney, Glenn Rogers, Hugh Shine, Reggie Smith, David Spiller and Gary VanDeaver.

The 10 Republicans who voted "present," were Reps. Brad Buckley, David Cook, Mano DeAyala, Frederick Frazier, Cody Harris, John Lujan, Shelby Slawson, Kronda Thimesch, and Ed Thompson.

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I don't mean to cause more work for you, but could you list their districts as well?

Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

Have to protect the biggest tax payer waste of money - the public school system.

Have to fund more schools to assist in the population explosion from the southern border.

Wrong. This issue is huge. You will find School Choice and Border Security are probably 1 and 2 across the State.

Whether you have kids in school or not, School Choice is huge! First and foremost, our kids deserve better. Second, this move takes back the control of our kids from the enemy of this nation. We take territory back!

Old May Banker said:

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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Can you show us in the proposed law where it says better performing rural districts are forced to accept them?

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I don't mean to cause more work for you, but could you list their districts as well?

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Glenn is tweeting that too. Someone will post it soon enough.

"Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world."
Vladmir Lenin

This is not a single issue. Government schools need competition, the best way to do that is to create freedom of choice...kind of a founding principle of this county.

both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

Old May Banker said:

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These representatives need to be Primaried in March.

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Choosing single issues and claiming those that don't agree with them "should be primaried" seems less than ideal.

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Wrong. Education is the basis of the other issues in our society.

Denying parents the right to use their tax dollars as they wish for educating their children is a travesty.

Everyone who voted against this should indeed be primaried.

And FTR, I'm 100% in favor of school choice... but there are lots of tentacles to that decision that'll have to be fugued out. What happens to long term debts that districts have, that are based on those dollars that become "portable?"

Old May Banker said:

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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Different matter. But to completely eliminate the parents' ability to try an alternative is the issue.

I'm from Gonzales, TX and went to Catholic School in Shiner. I was very fortunate that my parents sacrificed to make that happen for me. Because otherwise I would have been stuck in a very below average ISD. Why are you opposed to people using THEIR educational tax dollars for an alternative source of education when the one they're currently forced to stay in continually fails the kids?

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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That is Fd up. Call out that hypocrite.

So if better performing schools aren't forced to take them, where exactly are they headed?

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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They don't have to change a damn thing. However, the choice now potentially allows the church in town to fund their own school that is closer to more individuals. No matter what argument you bring to the table, the answer is more individual freedom. Do you want more individual freedom or more govt. control? That is the question at hand with this issue.

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So if better performing schools aren't forced to take them, where exactly are they headed?

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To the schools that want to help these kids! Many already exist and many will open!

Stop pushing the lies of the Teacher Unions that rural schools will be hurt by this!

Already addressed that above... I'm for choice.

But it isn't that simple of a process

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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Call this Representative out by name! That is the purpose of this thread.

Kacal is my representative. I will remember this vote.

Lol... reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm no union stooge. Swing and a miss.

Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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But it isn't that simple of a process

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Nothing is simple. There will be a learning curve and there will be unintended consequences. However, I trust the individual in the State of Texas to figure this out. The individual will create a better solution than that of the govt. and the enemy of this nation.

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And FTR, I'm 100% in favor of school choice... but there are lots of tentacles to that decision that'll have to be fugued out. What happens to long term debts that districts have, that are based on those dollars that become "portable?"

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There are others states that have already voted yes for school choice. The momentum is here now and the time to move is now. The financial details can be sorted later.

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Old May Banker said:

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These representatives need to be Primaried in March.

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Choosing single issues and claiming those that don't agree with them "should be primaried" seems less than ideal.

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Reducing parental rights for parents to choose education and offer true educational freedom is much more than a single issue.

Why should students in a failing school district be REQUIRED to stay instead of taking the tax dollars to a district or private school that actually educates and improves children?

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While I absolutely want the vouchers approved...I could see representatives for primarily rural areas to vote according to what their constituency wants. They may be all for freedom to choose, however in this particular policy, they may see it as more potential harm to their area than good. People usually want to know how it will affect them rather than everyone else in the state. They could also be assuming it will negatively affect their country school funding, when in reality it won't...but they still bend the ear of their reps.

Raney and Kacal were both primaried and they both won.

Old May Banker said:

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Lol... reading comprehension is your friend.

I'm no union stooge. Swing and a miss.

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That you do not claim to be a union stooge is irrelevant because you are in fact pushing the LIES they are putting out there regarding why SCHOOL CHOICE is bad.




(In before a certain poster that claims to not really care or follow the issue tells us how rural conservative voters hate choice and the actual election on this was too confusing for them.)

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Old May Banker said:

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And FTR, I'm 100% in favor of school choice... but there are lots of tentacles to that decision that'll have to be fugued out. What happens to long term debts that districts have, that are based on those dollars that become "portable?"

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There are others states that have already voted yes for school choice. The momentum is here now and the time to move is now. The financial details can be sorted later.

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I believe it passes once they're sorted out.

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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I send one of my kids private school and pay over $30,000 a year to do so. My other kid is in our local public school. That is my personal choice as a parent. I don't believe in school vouchers.

The only way to make school choice viable is to allow discriminatory admissions. Otherwise the low performers will want to go to the "better" school and the cycle is repeated. If one could create a system whereby students are admitted on merit and proof of property taxes paid, then real change would be realized across the educational system because schools would be forced to compete for financial support based upon the quality of their product. Compulsory admission, particularly among those who do not come from a family paying property taxes, wrecks any chance of a successful voucher program.

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LSCSN said:

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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That is Fd up. Call out that hypocrite.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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They could also be assuming it will negatively affect their country school funding, when in reality it won't...but they still bend the ear of their reps.

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Let's discuss this point. What are the consequences to "Rural" Texas?