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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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I send one of my kids private school and pay over $30,000 a year to do so. My other kid is in our local public school. That is my personal choice as a parent. I don't believe in school vouchers.

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My kid goes to private. If this passes, I'd like your voucher since don't believe in them.

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To those of you who think that this is going to be some sort of magic bullet

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Only God is a magic bullet, but removing govt. control is always (very few exceptions) the right decision..... especially in today's world where govt. control is absorbing everything.

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Explain how the long term debts - that voters in multiple districts have approved - are repaid when money is portable? Do those banks / bond holders just get told "better luck next time"?

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I think this is a strong debate however that bond money does not have to be spent and can be returned at some capacity. The ISD bond needs to end.

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But our stupid state govt won't touch anything tax related, especially property taxes, bc it would decrease funding for all their stupid little pet projects. Texas, in all it's glory, has one of the WORST tax systems around. We need some conservatives that are actually conservatives to step up and completely makeover our tax system.

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Bingo.

And now we get to the heart of the matter.

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Yep, it's pretty much a handout to upper-class people to help take the sting off that private school bill.

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This bill gives $0 to those with kids already in private school!

Why does the liberal side of every argument (make no mistake, those against Choice are on the liberal side) require deception to get people to go along with it?

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This bill gives $0 to those with kids already in private school!

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Wait what? So kids currently in private school will be enrolling with the ISD yet attending their private school?

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The ISD bond needs to end.

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No disagreement... but it hasn't and is currently the only mechanism available to fund capital projects for municipalities and schools. I'm for changing that. But again, that's more difficult and takes more time than an emotional response of "we gotta primary everyone"

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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No and I don't think they could be forced to accept everyone due to obvious constraints like the physical capacity limitations. But if they want the resources that come with more students, they will accept them.

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https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_705ee2da-d577-11ed-9066-5b50f0967ff3.html

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According to the recorded vote, the 24 Republicans who voted with Democrats against funding ESAs were Reps. Steve Allison, Trent Ashby, Ernest Bailes, Keith Bell, DeWayne Burns, Travis Clardy, Drew Darby, Charlie Geren, Justina Holland, Kyle Kacal, Ken King, John Kuempel, Stan Lambert, Brooks Landgraf, Andy Murr, Angelia Orr, Four Price, John Raney, Glenn Rogers, Hugh Shine, Reggie Smith, David Spiller and Gary VanDeaver.

The 10 Republicans who voted "present," were Reps. Brad Buckley, David Cook, Mano DeAyala, Frederick Frazier, Cody Harris, John Lujan, Shelby Slawson, Kronda Thimesch, and Ed Thompson.

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I don't mean to cause more work for you, but could you list their districts as well?

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Geeezzzz. You're asking for something that's a couple of browser search clicks away. Start here to match names with districts, and even see what the turds look like:

https://www.house.texas.gov/members/



This BS is why primaries and being engaged more locally are so important, yet neglected. Apathy will be the death of liberty.

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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No and I don't think they could be forced to accept everyone due to obvious constraints like the physical capacity limitations. But if they want the resources that come with more students, they will accept them.

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Isn't that the case currently? How would vouchers change that one way or the other?

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Explain how the long term debts - that voters in multiple districts have approved - are repaid when money is portable? Do those banks / bond holders just get told "better luck next time"?

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I think this is a strong debate however that bond money does not have to be spent and can be returned at some capacity. The ISD bond needs to end.

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Schools with debt have already spent it.... it's a long term mortgage against the property values in the district.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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This bill gives $0 to those with kids already in private school!

Why does the liberal side of every argument (make no mistake, those against Choice are on the liberal side) require deception to get people to go along with it?

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Sec.29.356.ELIGIBLE CHILD.
(a) A child is eligible to participate in the program if the child:
(1)is enrolled in a school district, including a public charter school, and was enrolled in that district or public charter school during the entire preceding school year;
(2)is entering kindergarten for the first time; or
(3)is currently participating in the Texas Parental Empowerment Program, established by this Chapter, and participated in the program during the preceding school year.

(b)A child who is currently not enrolled in a public school, but is otherwise eligible to enroll in public school under Section 25.001, is eligible for the program, subject to available funding described by Section 29.361A.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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It's a lot more complicated than just "give parents the choice". On paper, it sounds really easy and makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of unanswered questions and unknown variables. In no particular order:

• School choice would further widen the education divide. Poor kids would really have no choice due economic issues. They will inevitably all be lumped into "the" school(s).
• Being able to pick and choose students would lead back to #1. Schools will end up being top-heavy on performance, creating something akin to colleges. Again, sounds somewhat great. I mean it creates incentives right? Perform well in 5th grade, and you might get into that prestigious middle school. That's a lot of burden and stress on young children. And what about ESL kids who struggle early with reading/writing comprehension?
• What about kids who require special needs? Schools who get to pick and choose will not accept students with needs. This is already the case with charter schools. Again, so these students will be lumped into the "bad" school and not get the service they need.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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What's "hair-brained" about school choice?

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It's a lot more complicated than just "give parents the choice". On paper, it sounds really easy and makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of unanswered questions and unknown variables. In no particular order:

• School choice would further widen the education divide. Poor kids would really have no choice due economic issues. They will inevitably all be lumped into "the" school(s).
• Being able to pick and choose students would lead back to #1. Schools will end up being top-heavy on performance, creating something akin to colleges. Again, sounds somewhat great. I mean it creates incentives right? Perform well in 5th grade, and you might get into that prestigious middle school. That's a lot of burden and stress on young children. And what about ESL kids who struggle early with reading/writing comprehension?
• What about kids who require special needs? Schools who get to pick and choose will not accept students with needs. This is already the case with charter schools. Again, so these students will be lumped into the "bad" school and not get the service they need.

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The liberal answer: because some kids will be in bad learning situations, it is only fair that all kids be in bad learning situations.

On one hand it is so easy for liberals to acknowledge there are problem kids yet they seem to do nothing to actually solve the problem kid problem.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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You do realize if it drives it up $ for $ then no new public students will become private. Also the two aren't comparable. One is a function of state and federal bureaucracy while the other is the capitalist answer to it.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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You do realize if it drives it up $ for $ then no new public students will become private. Also the two aren't comparable. One is a function of state and federal bureaucracy while the other is the capitalist answer to it.

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I'm not opposed to public students becoming private, so not sure what your point is there. To your other point, market forces are market forces.

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It's a lot more complicated than just "give parents the choice". On paper, it sounds really easy and makes a lot of sense. But there are a lot of unanswered questions and unknown variables. In no particular order:

• School choice would further widen the education divide. Poor kids would really have no choice due economic issues. They will inevitably all be lumped into "the" school(s).
• Being able to pick and choose students would lead back to #1. Schools will end up being top-heavy on performance, creating something akin to colleges. Again, sounds somewhat great. I mean it creates incentives right? Perform well in 5th grade, and you might get into that prestigious middle school. That's a lot of burden and stress on young children. And what about ESL kids who struggle early with reading/writing comprehension?
• What about kids who require special needs? Schools who get to pick and choose will not accept students with needs. This is already the case with charter schools. Again, so these students will be lumped into the "bad" school and not get the service they need.

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The liberal answer: because some kids will be in bad learning situations, it is only fair that all kids be in bad learning situations.

On one hand it is so easy for liberals to acknowledge there are problem kids yet they seem to do nothing to actually solve the problem kid problem.

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Is that what you think I said? That's your 'good faith' interpretation of the points I just listed out?

Despite my better judgement, I'll indulge. Children to wealthy parents will ALWAYS have opportunity to school choice. They can either enroll in private school or move to a more preferable district. Children of poor households do not have that privlege and RELY EXCLUSIVELY on the avenues afforded to them by the public school system. Instituting school choice will likely aid wealthy households and punish poor homes. THAT was my point.

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https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_705ee2da-d577-11ed-9066-5b50f0967ff3.html

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According to the recorded vote, the 24 Republicans who voted with Democrats against funding ESAs were Reps. Steve Allison, Trent Ashby, Ernest Bailes, Keith Bell, DeWayne Burns, Travis Clardy, Drew Darby, Charlie Geren, Justina Holland, Kyle Kacal, Ken King, John Kuempel, Stan Lambert, Brooks Landgraf, Andy Murr, Angelia Orr, Four Price, John Raney, Glenn Rogers, Hugh Shine, Reggie Smith, David Spiller and Gary VanDeaver.

The 10 Republicans who voted "present," were Reps. Brad Buckley, David Cook, Mano DeAyala, Frederick Frazier, Cody Harris, John Lujan, Shelby Slawson, Kronda Thimesch, and Ed Thompson.

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From https://texasscorecard.com/state/house-republicans-join-democrats-to-vote-against-school-choice-in-state-budget/

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However, 23 Republicans joined Democrats, while nine Republicans were present but didn't vote.

Republican State Reps. Steve Allison (San Antonio), Trent Ashby (Lufkin), Ernest Bailes (Shephard), Keith Bell (Forney), DeWayne Burns (Cleburne), Travis Clardy (Nacogdoches), Drew Darby (San Angelo), Jay Dean (Longview), Charlie Geren (Fort Worth), Justin Holland (Heath), Kyle Kacal (College Station), Ken King (Canadian), John Kuempel (Seguin), Stan Lambert (Abilene), Brooks Landgraf (Odessa), Andrew Murr (Junction), Four Price (Amarillo), John Raney (Bryan), Glenn Rogers (Graford), Hugh Shine (Temple), Reggie Smith (Van Alstyne), and David Spiller (Jacksboro) joined Democrats.

These are the nine Republicans who stood aside: State Reps. Brad Buckley (Salado), David Cook (Mansfield), Mano DeAyala (Houston), Frederick Fraizer (McKinney), Cody Harris (Palestine), John Lujan (San Antonio), Shelby Slawson (Stephenville), Kronda Thiemsch (Lewisville), and Ed Thompson (Pearland).

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The House Journal recorded vote for Amendment 45 to CSHB 1:
https://journals.house.texas.gov/hjrnl/88r/pdf/88RDAY36FINAL.PDF#page=44

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You are correct! The amended version does give some money to low income families already enrolled.

It is WRONG to claim this is a handout to upper middle class people like the poster claimed!

My apologies for that screwup!

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

Eta: it would go up some of course. But on a dollar/student basis private schools do a much better job educating students more efficiently for less money than do public schools. Do you think there aren't homeschool programs/curriculum I'd be able to afford where let's say the kids go to a physical school building at a parish in town one day a week, and then learn part time online supplementing their at home education? There are a lot of options currently just out of reach for a lot of people, and this would create the incentives for people to expand their offerings, and others to open new schools.

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https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_705ee2da-d577-11ed-9066-5b50f0967ff3.html

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According to the recorded vote, the 24 Republicans who voted with Democrats against funding ESAs were Reps. Steve Allison, Trent Ashby, Ernest Bailes, Keith Bell, DeWayne Burns, Travis Clardy, Drew Darby, Charlie Geren, Justina Holland, Kyle Kacal, Ken King, John Kuempel, Stan Lambert, Brooks Landgraf, Andy Murr, Angelia Orr, Four Price, John Raney, Glenn Rogers, Hugh Shine, Reggie Smith, David Spiller and Gary VanDeaver.

The 10 Republicans who voted "present," were Reps. Brad Buckley, David Cook, Mano DeAyala, Frederick Frazier, Cody Harris, John Lujan, Shelby Slawson, Kronda Thimesch, and Ed Thompson.

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Trent Ashby: District 9, Ernest Bailes: 18. Living in this area, I can assume they are saving the schools, which are the primary income producers for their district.

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Thank you to the brave men and women representing rural republicans who love our public schools! We appreciate you standing up for our kids and our communities against the pressure from loony Dan Patrick. Cheers to Dade Phelan and Senator Nichols for following through on your promise to rural ISDs and voting "NO" on school vouchers.

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So you support govt. control over individual freedom in the name of rural America? Do you also consider yourself a conservative? What I see is a democrat supporting TEA and Unions and the enemy of this nation.

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Parents already have the freedom to send their kids to private school if that is what they want to do. I have one kid in private school and one kid in public school.

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All this time I thought I couldn't afford private school for my 5 kids, but now I know that I can. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Vouchers wouldn't necessarily change what you could afford.

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Okay explain this to me like I'm 5. How does $8k toward tuition not change what I can afford? I mean unless every single private and parochial school raised tuition by $8k per kid, you're wrong.

I paid $12k in property taxes last year. Heck, just give back to me that portion of taxes I pay that goes toward the public school and I'm pretty sure I can make something work.

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I think assuming that "free" money wouldn't drive up the cost at an almost dollar for dollar rate is incredibly naive. It's almost exactly the relationship between college loans and college tuition.

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Public schools are a racket. Most of our school districts are essentially govt. jobs programs for teachers and administrators. My wife has a para professional in her classroom whose job it is to follow around a sped girl everywhere she goes. To the bathroom, recess, she sits at her table with her and gives her her undivided attention all day. All so that we can stick kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities in classrooms with well adjusted kids. In the name of inclusion. This is a highly thought of school in a relatively good school district.

What's the difference between what you're describing, and the actual state of the public schools system right now? Public school teachers make far more than their private school counterparts. There are probably 10x the number of administrators as in private schools.

Why is "free" money better spent at the govt. run schools?

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I don't disagree with anything you said. My response was to the poster who was talking about the affordability of private schools.

I absolutely believe we have a huge problem with financial accountability at every govt level, but particularly at the local school level. That is why I have voted against every school bond for the last 20 years.

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They don't have to change a damn thing. However, the choice now potentially allows the church in town to fund their own school that is closer to more individuals. No matter what argument you bring to the table, the answer is more individual freedom. Do you want more individual freedom or more govt. control? That is the question at hand with this issue.

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And public school UNIONS!

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist121/m1.pdf

Steve Allison needs to be primaried in March.

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist9/m1.pdf Trent Ashby goes bye bye


Ernest Bailes hits the road https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist18/m1.pdf

Keith Bell https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist4/m1.pdf Dont let the door hit you

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist58/m1.pdf DeWayne Burns can pound sand

Travis Clardy ain't welcome to da pardy https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist11/m1.pdf

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist72/m1.pdf Drew Darby take a bath in lake Nasworthy

Charlie Geren Garen Gone https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist99/m1.pdf

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist33/m1.pdf Justin Holland adios

Kyle "Say it Ain't So" Kachal https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist12/m1.pdf

https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist88/m1.pdf your reign is over Ken King

John Kuempel nah nah nah nah Heeeey good bye https://wrm.capitol.texas.gov/fyiwebdocs/PDF/house/dist44/m1.pdf

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I send one of my kids private school and pay over $30,000 a year to do so. My other kid is in our local public school. That is my personal choice as a parent. I don't believe in school vouchers.

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So you get your personal choice because you can afford 30,000/year?

I believe in vouchers because it increases opportunity for everyone. Not just those who can afford private school. It also forces schools to compete for good teachers while increasing their pay.

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The small amount of voucher money that Texas would give out isn't enough for middle class, lower middle class, and the working poor to be able to attend good private schools that provide an equal or better education than public schools. But, it would cause a bunch of crappy for profit private schools to open up with unqualified staff and lackluster curriculums to take advantage of naive parents. I don't like to see unsuspecting people getting taken advantage of and I guarantee you this would happen with vouchers.

ETA- If the good public school teachers wanted to work in private schools they would already be doing so. And I guarantee you that the last thing vouchers will accomplish is increasing teacher pay.

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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Can you show us in the proposed law where it says better performing rural districts are forced to accept them?

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Can someone show me where any school is forced to "accept" them? Capacity is capacity.

Old May Banker said:

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Should children and parents in better performing rural districts be forced to accept them?

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Forced?

I know at least one of those guys grandkids are all in private school

Justin Hollands office doesn't appreciate pointed questions. They said that student success wasn't a measure of accountability, charter schools were good enough to help the kids in disaster districts like Dallas and Houston ISDs and that seeing the receipts or the library lists were a sign of accountability in the ISDs.

The staff was big on saying how conservative he was for wanting kids to take the STAAR tests.

What a joke. Also his staff could use a few pointers in how to talk to constituents. I'll be looking for a real primary opponent.

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both BCS reps voted no. and i know at least one of them sent their kid to private school. funny stuff.

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I send one of my kids private school and pay over $30,000 a year to do so. My other kid is in our local public school. That is my personal choice as a parent. I don't believe in school vouchers.

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My kid goes to private. If this passes, I'd like your voucher since don't believe in them.

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I would refuse the money or donate it to charity. You made the personal choice to send your kid to private school. Not my job to fund it. Just as I don't expect anyone else to fund a personal choice I made.