WHOOP!'91 said:
TarponChaser said:
The intransigence of both sides here is absurd.
It is 100% true that there were a large number of protestors who were violent and bent on destruction.
It is also 100% true that there were many more protestors who were little more than peaceful, well-behaved gawkers.
The video of the police walking around with Chansley is not remotely evidence that he was "on a guided tour." The police were outnumbered by what? 10 to1? The estimates I've seen have the number of police inside the building at 195 and the number of protestors in the Capitol at over 2,000. They damn sure knew they couldn't physically escalate things to remove protestors forcibly without likely being overrun and causing an even larger outbreak of violence so they shadowed him to make sure he didn't get too far out of line. So he wasn't being violent but he wasn't just being shown around like a Congressional tourist.
And while Trump didn't cross the line and call for violence or anything like that, he damn sure stirred the pot. He ran a ****ty campaign vs. Sleepy Joe and the media (you want real collusion, the virtual hand-in-glove relationship between the Dems, MSM, and social media is the real threat to our republic) but the way he handled covid and the complete inability to not have diarrhea of the mouth or fingers via Twitter sunk his candidacy. Not actual fraudulent votes as every damn bit of evidence has shown. Hell, the majority of his advisors told him the same thing. There's no bureaucracy or political machine in this country capable of pulling off such a large-scale fraud. The simple truth is Trump fcked up and he couldn't handle the fact that he's responsible for people voting against him and instead figured a benign vegetable would be the lesser of two evils.
I personally didn't but his behavior post-election and his continual whining, petty, vindictiveness and how he's effectively caused major losses in 2018, 2020, and 2022 should relegate him to the dust-bin of history.
Hell, he's somehow manage to convince millions of people that actual conservative policies and good governance makes one a RINO. Trump only cares about Trump, the fact we got some good justices on SCOTUS and lower courts is the only good thing he accomplished and that's because he listened to actual conservatives from the Federalist Society. The rest of his policies are largely undone by the proverbial "pen and a phone" because for all his claims about making deals he couldn't actually do it.
Time to move past him and his acolytes.
Why were they walking Chansley around at all, much less just him?
Trump's campaign? He was out in front of huge crowds while sleepy Joe was in the basement. Don't forget the big hand the FBI gave Xiden by sitting on the Hunter laptop, along with the 'intelligence community' colluding with social media and legacy media to claim it wasn't real.
Trump was robbed even before we get to ballot harvesting, state voting laws being unConstitutionally changed, or vote fraud questions.
I will take Trump's economy over pretty much anyone else's. Everyone was benefitting from the prosperity. I couldn't care one whit about his personality. His policies had the world in a far better place than it is today.
1) you don't think seeing a dude dressed like he was would make you wonder if he was right in the head? No need to escalate, just escort him around, placate him, and try to get him to leave.
2) Yes, Trump's campaign. He consistently played pissed off and whining and said stupid ***** Because of who he was and the hostility of the media he couldn't afford to make missteps and he consistently did so, even if dishonestly portrayed. Yes the FBI fcked him too but that goes back to him having zero margin for error and he made a lot of them.
3) the voting laws being changed is a separate question from fraud- Trump did get screwed by those changes but there's no mechanism to redo an election because those changes were unconstitutional. Ultimately, the screwing up of those voting laws are the result of failures in prior elections which allowed those judges to be appointed or elected. The fraud claims are false and even Trump's lawyers have admitted as much and tried to convince him of that. Ballot harvesting was legal at the time though a sketchy practice.
4) sure, the economy from 2017 to early 2020 was great but despite having both Houses prior to 2018 Trump didn't cut spending as promised and delivered on very little other than judicial appointments. Had he won in 2020 the economy with inflation would still be in the crapper because he refused to cut spending and engaged in economic policies (see tariffs) that exacerbated inflation. I don't think it would have been as bad as it's been but then you're arguing about whether or not you prefer a sch1t-sandwich or a sch1t-slurpee.
I do agree the world would be in a better place because we wouldn't have seen the disaster in Afghanistan and I doubt Putin would have invaded Ukraine. But I'm not talking about the Trump vs. Biden choice in 2020, I'm talking about the need to move on from Trump and stop refusing to admit that a lot of people were violent on January 6 because it sounds like the progs refusing to condemn the AntiFa/BLM violence because some of their people weren't violent.
