I don't remember any situation where police caught a daylight burglar trying to break into a building and just "showed him around hoping he would leave."

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AggieCo2023 said:

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One lesson of Jan 6 is this: Trump’s lies, spread on TV & social media, provoked a violent attack on our Capitol. No responsible adult, and especially no American pledged to our Constitution, should deny what happened or repeat the same reckless lies. pic.twitter.com/MReMysC534

— Liz Cheney (@Liz_Cheney) March 7, 2023

Can someone explain how Tucker showing cherry picked clips without violence is any different than what Conservatives accused Liberals of doing with the BLM protests? Conservatives ridiculed the phrase "mostly peaceful" protests endlessly all to turn around and do the same thing with Jan 6th. Do they think we didn't see the footage of them fighting Capitol Police. Hitting them with weapons? Multiple dead?

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Because Tucker's clips are a response to the what the left did. He cherry picked to show the rest of the story. No need to show the violent parts again, they have already been shown ad nauseum.

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Which narrative seems more likely, the one we've seen for a couple years in countless videos and extensive coverage or the clips Tucker found? Use your critical thinking, I know it means you may have to acknowledge Tucker is wrong and this was more than nothing (something even McCarthy has to acknowledge given his previous commentary on the day).

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The truth is that some violence occurred, but it was not led by Trump who was not there, and it was not anything closely resembling an insurrection. The truth is that QAnon Shaman was allowed by capital police to essentially free roam the building. The truth is that some people involved were severely punished while others were not. The truth is that this incident was far less destructive than other protests in recent history that were not treated with this much attention by either the government or the MSM. There are many other truths as well.

I am unaware of anything Tucker said that was wrong. I don't have to admit anything. Tucker Carlson isn't that important in the face of these truths.

I can't answer your question directly because I don't know what you think the narrative based on Tucker's clips is.

I do know that any narrative that includes or concludes that what happened on 1/6 was an insurrection is categorically false.

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Great post and great response to the OP. If only the OP would reciprocate and answer some of the questions he (she?)'s been asked on this thread.

Well, it's clear it wasn't "mostly peaceful" and it's clear it wasn't an "insurrection". It was somewhere in between.

What is clear is that both sides are playing to their lemmings to distract the majority while they enrich themselves with our hard earned tax dollars.

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Well, it's clear it wasn't "mostly peaceful" and it's clear it wasn't an "insurrection". It was somewhere in between.

What is clear is that both sides are playing to their lemmings to distract the majority while they enrich themselves with our hard earned tax dollars.

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So this incident occurs maybe once every 50 - 100 years? And is carried out by less than .01% of the population?

Big deal.

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She was completely surrounded by police. While what she was doing was stupid, I am pretty sure the death penalty is not the legal punishment for it. There was not a family on the other side of that door. She was not going to be able to enter and hurt anyone. That is the definition of excessive force. And that cop didn't even have to face a Grand Jury.

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If the political parties were reversed, Conservatives would be saying "FAFO"! Liberals would be saying "They didn't' have to kill her!". You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

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They aren't reversed. You're in Fantasyland, created by liars and thieves. Wake up. You were lied to and you are willfully defending the liars.

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I understand I was lied to. And I didn't believe it. I am of the opinion Jan 6th was a nothingburger. I am also of the opinion that if I am on a Capitol tour and I bust through a window of a secured door to a sensitive location and try to climb through, I will probably be shot.

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She was completely surrounded by police. While what she was doing was stupid, I am pretty sure the death penalty is not the legal punishment for it. There was not a family on the other side of that door. She was not going to be able to enter and hurt anyone. That is the definition of excessive force. And that cop didn't even have to face a Grand Jury.

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If the political parties were reversed, Conservatives would be saying "FAFO"! Liberals would be saying "They didn't' have to kill her!". You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

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They aren't reversed. You're in Fantasyland, created by liars and thieves. Wake up. You were lied to and you are willfully defending the liars.

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I understand I was lied to. And I didn't believe it. I am of the opinion Jan 6th was a nothingburger. I am also of the opinion that if I am on a Capitol tour and I bust through a window of a secured door to a sensitive location and try to climb through, I will probably be shot.

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Then charge the officers standing behind Babbit for the same crimes they charged the dudes standing around watching Saint Floyd die. They literally hung out while one of their friends shot an unarmed peace protestor.

You do not get to have it both ways. Someone wearing a uniform in the Ashli Babbit killing broke the law and failed to uphold their duty to protect and serve. At this point, I don't care who you prosecute, but you have to pick one.

Who died on that day because of the supposed "insurrection"?

Let me give you a hint. Nobody except a woman who voted for donald trump because she was shot by a black man who had trigger finger issues.

Any officers who died committed suicide after the incident.

Sicknick died of natural causes. Theres NO evidence he was beaten or died at the hands of protestors.

And you idiots want to claim this was "worse than 9/11" hell worse than pearl harbor some of you fools have said. Its freaking ridiculous.

Youve lost your damn mind.

You are on ignore from here on out.

Perfectly stated.

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Tucker makes $35 million annual salary at Fox News and has a net worth of $400+ million.

Damn…amazing how much money you can make pushing political spin (left or right). Everybody on this board is doing all that spinning for free!

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Always amusing to see the "moderates" complain about one side or one network when it comes to people making millions off of political spin...but never seem to offer any bit of criticism to the numerous other media outlets out there or people in the entertainment industry that spin for the other side while making far more than mean old Tucker Carlson.

Ray Epps, the face of incitement!
Never charged or questioned. Why? Because he was an FBI plant!
Release the #J6POLITICALPRISONERS

pic.twitter.com/wkpMtBvLpq

— American 🇺🇲 Alley 🍊 (@Freedom_Alley3) March 9, 2023

Trump didn't tell ANYONE to commit crimes or break into the Capitol.

Ray Epps did.

Why did they go after Trump and not Ray Epps?

Because Ray Epps is a fed.

J6 was a false flag operation, which they did because they are terrified Trump will run again, and win again. pic.twitter.com/aXxzBva9S0

— American Soldier for Christ (@johnrackham82) March 10, 2023

It's a simple question. Was Ray Epps a Fed?

FBI: "I can't answer that." pic.twitter.com/B2jReml0PL

— Budboomer 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 (@Budboomer1) March 8, 2023

Ray Epps kind of looks like Super Dave, who played a FBI agent in Ocean's Eleven.

That to me says more than anything. A guy paid handsomely to play the part of an FBI agent resembles an actual FBI agent being paid to act like a Super Dave sort of guy.

Makes sense to me now.

Those pesky velvet ropes worked better than those 2500# doors capitol police opened as well as the temporary guards they pulled aside to let the orderly procession of sightseers inside.

Without the velvet ropes, grannies would have been stacking bodies like the Spartans in '300'.

FBImbeciles and antifa were the rabble rousers. Your eyes are lying to you.

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Zero justification? You watch the same video I did?

She is a textbook "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" example.

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I did. And no, there was no justification for the officer to pull his weapon and fire through a glass door into a crowd of people in the manner than he did.

In any other situation, had a civilian done the exact same thing - they would be brought up on murder charges.

But hey, keep towing that party line! I'm sure your overlords will reward you with the gristle off of a chicken bone after they have eaten the meat for your loyalty.

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no justification...
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/09/law-of-self-defense-analysis-jan-6-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-was-legally-justified/

more like justification you don't personally agree with.

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She was completely surrounded by police. While what she was doing was stupid, I am pretty sure the death penalty is not the legal punishment for it. There was not a family on the other side of that door. She was not going to be able to enter and hurt anyone. That is the definition of excessive force. And that cop didn't even have to face a Grand Jury.

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If the political parties were reversed, Conservatives would be saying "FAFO"! Liberals would be saying "They didn't' have to kill her!". You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

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They aren't reversed. You're in Fantasyland, created by liars and thieves. Wake up. You were lied to and you are willfully defending the liars.

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I understand I was lied to. And I didn't believe it. I am of the opinion Jan 6th was a nothingburger. I am also of the opinion that if I am on a Capitol tour and I bust through a window of a secured door to a sensitive location and try to climb through, I will probably be shot.

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That would be completely irrational. Especially when there are cops standing all around the person who got shot.

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He clearly believes that I don't support the use of citizen force to hold our government in check when it errs to the side of corruption or extending its own power beyond the limited government role clearly designed in the founding documents of our country.

I do not hold such a a belief. I do not put "rule of law" above the will of the people (the definition of Democracy), inalienable rights, or freedom.

In fact, I hold the opposite view. I believe when government goes too far and oppressed those freedoms - it is our OBLIGATION to overthrow it by force.

What I see in your video are people who have just about had enough of a corrupt DC swamp

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If I didn't know your political view, I could read this and easily assume an antifa member wrote it.

Just sayin'...

Bull***** Antifa doesn't value freedom. They don't fight for the will of the people. But you know that.

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He clearly believes that I don't support the use of citizen force to hold our government in check when it errs to the side of corruption or extending its own power beyond the limited government role clearly designed in the founding documents of our country.

I do not hold such a a belief. I do not put "rule of law" above the will of the people (the definition of Democracy), inalienable rights, or freedom.

In fact, I hold the opposite view. I believe when government goes too far and oppressed those freedoms - it is our OBLIGATION to overthrow it by force.

What I see in your video are people who have just about had enough of a corrupt DC swamp

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If I didn't know your political view, I could read this and easily assume an antifa member wrote it.

Just sayin'...

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Yeah, it could also be written by someone who was tired of British tyranny in 1776, or a Texian tired of Mexican tyranny in 1836. Those guys were traitors as well for wanting to hold a government accountable for this overreaches.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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He clearly believes that I don't support the use of citizen force to hold our government in check when it errs to the side of corruption or extending its own power beyond the limited government role clearly designed in the founding documents of our country.

I do not hold such a a belief. I do not put "rule of law" above the will of the people (the definition of Democracy), inalienable rights, or freedom.

In fact, I hold the opposite view. I believe when government goes too far and oppressed those freedoms - it is our OBLIGATION to overthrow it by force.

What I see in your video are people who have just about had enough of a corrupt DC swamp

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If I didn't know your political view, I could read this and easily assume an antifa member wrote it.
Just sayin'...

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Yeah, it could also be written by someone who was tired of British tyranny in 1776, or a Texian tired of Mexican tyranny in 1836. Those guys were traitors as well for wanting to hold a government accountable for this overreaches.

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I agree. And one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I wasn't judging, just pointing out that the same verbiage is used by both sides. If you or Ellis Wyatt think that's an attack, you're being emotional.

Words have meanings.

What is going on here? These people are "escaping" behind the police lines?

NEW: Some actually newsworthy footage that was just released in connection with a Jan. 6 trial of Ed Badalian, the InfoWars superfan whose buddy drove a stun gun into Mike Fanone's neck during the Capitol siege.

From inside a trashed suite of Senate hideaway offices: pic.twitter.com/CxDgR8v4AA

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) March 7, 2023

Police knocking a woman down stairs outside of the Capitol. Makes the crowd angrier. Why?

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When I think of Jan 6, I remember that movie Forrest Gump.

If Forrest was around during these times, he would have accidentally been in D.C. that day, and somehow been ushered into the Capital by police, walked around all dumb like, and then leave.

Only in this movie Forrest is later arrested, sent to a jail cell for months without counsel, and then later talked into signing a guilty plea for a couple of years in prison…

That whole scene seems staged, all of it…

Edit: The person getting pushed down the steps, and the video you posted above that one, all of it is fake, staged, coordinated propaganda.

F these crooked traitors that have hijacked our country, and I wish even worse on those that work for them, these paid actors, paid politicians, and paid letter agency stooges that enjoy being little nazis…

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That whole scene seems staged, all of it…

Edit: The person getting pushed down the steps, and the video you posted above that one, all of it is fake, staged, coordinated propaganda.

F these crooked traitors that have hijacked our country, and I wish even worse on those that work AND CONTINUE TO VOTE for them, these paid actors, paid politicians, and paid letter agency stooges that enjoy being little nazis…

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Those on here who admit to voting for them and who continue to support and/or tolerate this behavior are just as guilty of the hijacking. Take for instance the OP - their posts support the "crooked traitors that have hijacked our Country" and evidently may be spreading this misinformation and dangerous rhetoric to our youth in schools.

Plenty of folks here on f16, including certain CMs who say they are against the DemLib coup, tacitly support if by joining in the believe that Jan 6th was anything other than a staged attacked ON, not by, Trump Supporters.