Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Good, if true. I've read many conflicting reports though.



Good discussion of the now-required total surrender as Kiev lacks legitimacy to execute any truce/end of war.



Zelensky now a 'legitimate military target' himself.
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There was never a time when Russia didn't want all of Ukraine. That's the point of a land grab.
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What a mess.



So much for the 'sanctions are working and Russia is running out of artillery/rockets' narrative.
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FJB24 said:

What a mess.



So much for the 'sanctions are working and Russia is running out of artillery/rockets' narrative.
Russia is resupplying themselves from Iran and China and I bet at a cheaper rate
Liberal tears taste so sweet.
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It is rather ironic that Russia whines and cries about Ukraine hitting them with NATO weapons and then hits Ukrainian residential areas with Chinese and Iranian weapons.
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"Yes, that's the real world guys, c'mon."

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Sumy soon?

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Teslag said:

It is rather ironic that Russia whines and cries about Ukraine hitting them with NATO weapons and then hits Ukrainian residential areas with Chinese and Iranian weapons.


That isn't ironic, its sad. Ukrainian use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes is well documented.
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You are still blocked
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Wait this war isn't over? The warhawks swore Russia would be defeated and Russia would have to pay to rebuild Ukraine. Seems goalposts have been moved. Fantastic.
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backintexas2013 said:

Wait this war isn't over? The warhawks swore Russia would be defeated and Russia would have to pay to rebuild Ukraine. Seems goalposts have been moved. Fantastic.


It's a stalemate. Same as it's been for the part two years now.
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So when will Ukraine win and Russia pat for rebuilding? That's what the warkawks said would happen.
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backintexas2013 said:

So when will Ukraine win and Russia pat for rebuilding? That's what the warkawks said would happen.


Maybe you should ask the people who said that would happen? Not sure anyone on here was that confident in an outright Ukraine win.
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backintexas2013 said:

So when will Ukraine win and Russia pat for rebuilding? That's what the warkawks said would happen.


Ukraine wins every day they continue to exist
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Last I heard, Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly. Not sure that answers the made up claim you posted.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

backintexas2013 said:

So when will Ukraine win and Russia pat for rebuilding? That's what the warkawks said would happen.


Maybe you should ask the people who said that would happen? Not sure anyone on here was that confident in an outright Ukraine win.


I predicted this reponse very early on. IIRC I said Uke would "lower the bar and declare victory"

Of note, when folks 1st started calling for negotiations Ukraine was larger than it is now. But Uke supporters in our government will never admit to their mismanagement. Why would they?
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GAC06 said:

Last I heard, Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly. Not sure that answers the made up claim you posted.
This is a significant misperception. Profits from assets held by some countries from Russian assets will be used to fund Ukrainian projects. This is not the same as the assets themselves being sold/liquidated/transferred to said projects. The Russians are also confiscating, in kind, other assets. It's more of a zero sum game, imho, but a dangerous precedent to set in international relations/trade, by all accounts.

The real questions remain; what narratives are being peddled, why, and who is buying them?

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I like how the same Twitter accounts tell us one day that attacking Russian oil refineries is a red line that will lead to nuclear war and then tell us later it doesn't matter and will actually make Russian stronger.
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nortex97 said:


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Speaking of the Biden crime familia and Ukraine…



All of this Ukraine proxy war stuff ties back into the family's interests/corruption/treason. And with sponsor Biden himself facing a likely defeat in November, Kiev is actively scaling back 'peace formula' demands.

Meanwhile, the next/newest front develops:



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nortex97 said:

GAC06 said:

Last I heard, Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly. Not sure that answers the made up claim you posted.
This is a significant misperception. Profits from assets held by some countries from Russian assets will be used to fund Ukrainian projects. This is not the same as the assets themselves being sold/liquidated/transferred to said projects. The Russians are also confiscating, in kind, other assets. It's more of a zero sum game, imho, but a dangerous precedent to set in international relations/trade, by all accounts.

The real questions remain; what narratives are being peddled, why, and who is buying them?




I didn't say all of Russia's frozen assets were going to Ukraine, did I? Thanks for the anime guy's tweet though, I'm sure it was interesting to those who read it.
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Hunter Biden was advancing a CIA project in Ukraine to swing the natural gas market towards NATO & that's why he's untouchable.
Makes a lot of sense.

What would anybody do if their dad was president and somehow became untouchable?

Probably go hog ass wild would be my guess.
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GAC06 said:

nortex97 said:

GAC06 said:

Last I heard, Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly. Not sure that answers the made up claim you posted.
This is a significant misperception. Profits from assets held by some countries from Russian assets will be used to fund Ukrainian projects. This is not the same as the assets themselves being sold/liquidated/transferred to said projects. The Russians are also confiscating, in kind, other assets. It's more of a zero sum game, imho, but a dangerous precedent to set in international relations/trade, by all accounts.

The real questions remain; what narratives are being peddled, why, and who is buying them?




I didn't say all of Russia's frozen assets were going to Ukraine, did I? Thanks for the anime guy's tweet though, I'm sure it was interesting to those who read it.


The post in question:

"Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly"
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I'm not sure what you're confused about, so I can only guess what's tripping you up.


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/understanding-the-plan-to-create-a-50-billion-ukraine-bond/

Does that clear it up for you?
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GAC06 said:

I'm not sure what you're confused about, so I can only guess what's tripping you up.


https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/understanding-the-plan-to-create-a-50-billion-ukraine-bond/

Does that clear it up for you?



I was quoting you. Why did you just link a refutation of your own claim?
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My claim, at least what I think you're referring to, was " Last I heard, Russia's frozen assets will be funding Ukraine shortly."

How about you explain how you think the link directly refuted that.
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It's a stalemate. Same as it's been for the part two years now.
This is a delusional statement, along the lines of the vax is effective and safe!
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French report on the Donbas reflects the enmity with which many hold Zelensky;



More bribery/corruption arrests;


Sitrep including the 'genesis of Russophobia' has a lot of good details, though I don't subscribe to a lot of his jewish historical analyses. Relative to this conflict, much of the Ukrainian jewish population has fled the highly anti-Semitic regime since 2014, down to something like 20,000 now I think I read.

A skeptic has an unlocked sitrep out too. It does sound like Sumy is going to be a more focused push than Kharkiv itself:

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OPAG said:

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It's a stalemate. Same as it's been for the part two years now.
This is a delusional statement, along the lines of the vax is effective and safe!


The lines have barely moved in either direction in two years. What would you call that?
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Ukrainian jewish population has fled the highly anti-Semitic regime since 2014


With a Jewish president.
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OPAG said:

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It's a stalemate. Same as it's been for the part two years now.
This is a delusional statement, along the lines of the vax is effective and safe!


Not a coincidence the same folks fall for both.
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Russia is in absolutely no hurry at all. They are executing their game plan. They are in no hurry to end this. They have no need to be in a hurry, none at all.
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Teslag said:

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Ukrainian jewish population has fled the highly anti-Semitic regime since 2014


With a Jewish president.
Yea, like George Soros. he's a Jew too! LOL
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OPAG said:

Russia is in absolutely no hurry at all. They are executing their game plan. They are in no hurry to end this. They have no need to be in a hurry, none at all.


Their game plan was to send their best officers, troops, and equipment into Ukraine in February of 2022, push to the doorstep of Kiev, then lose them all, lose 60% of those gains, and then spend the next 18 months taking virtually nothing while losing even more equipment to the point they have to beg North Korea for weapons, while the west sends more and more lethal aid to Ukraine?

Or are we still pretending this is 1943 and Russia can win by throwing bodies and rifles at the problem?


And now their latest "offensive" has completely stalled in another pathetic attempt to do something.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-isw-maps-offensive-falter-1902961
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OPAG said:

Russia is in absolutely no hurry at all. They are executing their game plan. They are in no hurry to end this. They have no need to be in a hurry, none at all.
Correct. And imagine fleeing from one Biden war disaster (in Ukraine) only to be caught up in another. Thx for joining the thread.

German plan to ship more Patriots to Kiev facing resistance.

More (aljazeera):
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Putin signs decree allowing use of US property in Russia as compensation

Putin has signed a decree allowing the use of US property in Russia as compensation for damages caused by the seizure of Russian property in the United States.

The decree containing the corresponding provision was published on the government portal, which instructed the country's government to establish a special procedure for compensating the damage caused to Russia and its central bank by the US government or judicial decisions.
Pandora's box, opened.
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Ukraine can't win unless you change the definition of victory to some abstract concept.

I don't see Russia stopping until Z and the gang are deposed.

& btw, Russia isn't begging NK for ***** They're out producing the west 3:1 last I checked
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