Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)
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No answer, just trolling. Not surprising
Please stop clogging up the thread with drivel if you're not going to take the time to learn the history of the region.
He didn't miss it. He ignores questions that are directed towards him if he doesn't want to answer and then deflects.GAC06 said:
Perhaps you missed the question. You have probably the second most posts on this thread, so what do you think:
Do you think Russia is justified in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine? If so, why?
There's so much nuance and history that a simple question can't be answered. It's so complicated, you couldn't possibly understand so I'll deflect and hide.
No it's not.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:So...no nuances in your position. Just blunt force.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:I do understand. And I understand the nuances.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Yes...PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Ag with kids said:While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,aggiehawg said:According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024
Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?
Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.
Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.
Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.
Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.
Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.
No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.
Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.
"Unprovoked"
As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.
Unprovoked. Without quotes...
Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...
Anyone can reply-
Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?
But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...
What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?
I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.
Caveman want. Caveman take.
Thats a very poor characterization if my position, but it is entirely unsurprising. We can clarify the minutia if you're interested.
I'd like to better understand what you wrote earlier, so I'll ask again: What nuances do you understand?
It's an accurate description.
You're just trying to be clever and obfuscate it.
🇷🇺🇺🇦🚨‼️ Ukranian unit near Verbovoe destroyed.
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 4, 2024
This drone warfare is cruel … it is what it is, I guess.pic.twitter.com/O8lqdKDGXO
The hardest videos to watch are the ones with no clear "Oh they should have done this instead"
Then please...PlaneCrashGuy said:
Please stop clogging up the thread with drivel if you're not going to take the time to learn the history of the region.
Teach us the history of the region so we can better understand your nuanced or non-nuanced view of the region.
Ag with kids said:No it's not.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:So...no nuances in your position. Just blunt force.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:I do understand. And I understand the nuances.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Yes...PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Ag with kids said:While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,aggiehawg said:According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024
Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?
Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.
Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.
Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.
Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.
Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.
No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.
Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.
"Unprovoked"
As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.
Unprovoked. Without quotes...
Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...
Anyone can reply-
Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?
But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...
What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?
I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.
Caveman want. Caveman take.
Thats a very poor characterization if my position, but it is entirely unsurprising. We can clarify the minutia if you're interested.
I'd like to better understand what you wrote earlier, so I'll ask again: What nuances do you understand?
It's an accurate description.
You're just trying to be clever and obfuscate it.
Are you unwilling to clarify what you meant? I asked a direct question about the meaning of one of your posts.
When you said "I do understand. And I understand the nuances" what were you referencing?
GAC06 said:
There's so much nuance and history that a simple question can't be answered. It's so complicated, you couldn't possibly understand so I'll deflect and hide.
You've already made up your mind, I wont waste my time on you further. You may call it what you want. I'm smiling.
It was a simple question. You seemed to imply Russia was provoked. If you're not interested in a good faith discussion there is a word for it.
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You don't ever answer "direct questions". You've had numerous ones posed to you.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:No it's not.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:So...no nuances in your position. Just blunt force.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:I do understand. And I understand the nuances.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Yes...PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:PlaneCrashGuy said:J. Walter Weatherman said:Ag with kids said:While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,aggiehawg said:According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024
Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?
Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.
Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.
Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.
Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.
Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.
No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.
Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.
"Unprovoked"
As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.
Unprovoked. Without quotes...
Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...
Anyone can reply-
Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?
But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...
What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?
I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.
Caveman want. Caveman take.
Thats a very poor characterization if my position, but it is entirely unsurprising. We can clarify the minutia if you're interested.
I'd like to better understand what you wrote earlier, so I'll ask again: What nuances do you understand?
It's an accurate description.
You're just trying to be clever and obfuscate it.
Are you unwilling to clarify what you meant? I asked a direct question about the meaning of one of your posts.
When you said "I do understand. And I understand the nuances" what were you referencing?
I've answered many of them.
Obfuscation...
I think it's apparent that PCG's intent at this point is to simply get the thread locked again. When someone can't answer basic direct questions then it's obvious what they are doing.
Good weekend for Russia:
It bears repeating;
SHORT ANALYSIS: GOOD WEEKEND FOR RUSSIA, FEB 5 2024
— Mikael Valtersson (@MikaelValterss1) February 5, 2024
It's very late, but a quick analysis of the weekend. Russia scored four significant victories this weekend. Two military one political and one in media.
The surprisingly fast Russian advance in northern Avdiivka city made the… pic.twitter.com/xCe75S2iml
Quote:
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine would have never happened without the interference of the West and its "insane"idea of an ever-expanding NATO, Tarik Cyril Amar, an associate professor at Koc University in Istanbul, believes.
Speaking to RT's Oksana Boyko on Worlds Apart, the history professor shared his thoughts on the insistence of both Kiev and its Western backers on inflicting a decisive battlefield defeat on Russia which seemingly remains unchanged despite all the setbacks the Ukrainian military has suffered. For Kiev, such a belief might actually be genuine, he suggested.
"Regarding the Ukrainian leadership, I would not be able to tell. I have a guess that President Zelensky himself is, basically, delusional and has become drunk on his own rhetoric as well as the flattery that he used to receive from the West. I think it has really deranged him a bit and disturbed his relationship to reality,"the RT.com contributor suggested.
In the West, the understanding that such a goal is not viable has become more prominent, and talk of continuous support for Ukraine is, at least partially, a "negotiation tactic," the professor argued.
"Concerning the West, my guess is that quite a few people in Washington and in the EU as well understand that they have to get out of this war without a Russian defeat. Now do they understand already how much they have to concede? Again, I can't tell," Amar stated.
Western decision makers, particularly in the US, apparently still "live in the 1990s" and refuse to realize that the age of "unilateralism" is over. The Russian leadership, as well as China and Iran, live in the present, Amar claimed.
Without Western interference, the conflict between Kiev and Moscow would have never started, and multiple opportunities to bring it to an end were deliberately sabotaged, including the Minsk agreement of 2015 and the Istanbul talks of March 2022, Amar said.
"The roots of the war do really go to 2008, the infamous Bucharest summit, when both Georgia and Ukraine were put by the West into this insane position of saying' One day you'll be in NATO, but not now,' which, of course, exposed them and made them threats for Russia."
The West's insistence on fueling the conflict largely stems from two ideas, Amar explained. The West "simply won't give up on its idea of expanding NATO, which in itself is an insane idea," as well as pursues a "long-term geopolitical strategy of getting Russia down," as it refused to accept Moscow's resurgence following the 1990s turmoil.
The availability of Moskal-JDAMs has changed the coefficient of urban combat in Russia’s favor. Gives a cost effective way to attack hard points and urban blocks that was missing during the battle for Bakhmut. https://t.co/USeWEBNBLQ
— Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺 (@witte_sergei) February 5, 2024
Here is the full episode, make sure to click "CC" (closed caption/subtitled) at the bottom:https://t.co/m9gvhqfmVN
— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) February 4, 2024
You'll note that at the opening of the video, they are firing 120mm mortar rounds with mortar propellant charges. This is a unique rifled system built specifically…
We need to send Ukraine another $60 billion b/c there are still several dozen military-age Ukrainian men who remain expendable. https://t.co/uZkkRzEkwn
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) February 5, 2024
It bears repeating;
Most Americans have no idea who and what we’ve been supporting in Ukraine. https://t.co/KmKeqLfI39
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 2, 2024
There has been speculation for years about Russia's GPS jamming abilities.
Now use seems to go beyond Ukraine and, two weeks ago, to have "dropped" GPS over Poland.
More probing is currently being reported.
Now use seems to go beyond Ukraine and, two weeks ago, to have "dropped" GPS over Poland.
More probing is currently being reported.
Yes, glonass (the Russian system) and GPS jamming has been a key weapon, and they've toyed with it in the Baltic states/Poland of late;
Now, this appears to be an operator directing a jammer/spoof at a specific aircraft, to cause some confusion/an alert to be shown. We Pretty clearly the pilots knew they weren't at the Russian air base as spoofed but it is dangerous none the less. EW and jamming has become critical with the proliferation of drones in the war.Quote:
On Dec. 25 and 26 a wide swath of northern Poland and southern Sweden was impacted. The next week, on New Year's Eve, aircraft across a large area of southeastern Finland reported disruptions. On Jan. 10, 13 and 16 the northern half of Poland was the primary target. On the 19, southern Sweden and northern Poland felt the effects. Estonia and Latvia were the targets most recently on Jan. 24.
In each case the disruption was detected by aviation safety ADS-B systems carried by commercial aircraft, and were displayed on the website GPSJam.org.
Analyses of the Christmas interference by graduate student Zach Clements at the University of Texas Radionavigation Laboratory. Clements studies GPS disruptions and has published on locating the sources from satellites in low earth orbit
In an interview, he said he determined a number of transmitters were involved spread across a wide area. Some were simply jamming GPS signals to deny service. But at least one transmitter was spoofing aircraft so their instruments would show them far from their actual location and flying in a circle.
While the phenomenon known as "circle spoofing" has been frequently observed with ships, this was the first time it was reported in aviation.
Clements told me he is reasonably sure the source of the circle spoofing was inside Russia. "The points at which the aircraft began to be impacted by the spoofing and where they regained authentic GPS indicate that the spoofer is somewhere in western Russia," he said. "Interestingly, the location the aircraft were spoofed to is a field about a kilometer from Russia's decommissioned Smolensk military airbase."
Graduate researcher Zixi Liu at Stanford confirmed to me that based on her analysis, a number of jammers were almost certainly involved in the Christmas jamming. Her previous research used aviation ADS-B data to geo-locate sources of GPS disruptions.
⚡️🇷🇺One of the hottest commodities on the frontline are now drone detectors and spectrum analyzers pic.twitter.com/1cnj1kEP5v
— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) February 3, 2024
When you said "I do understand. And I understand the nuances" what were you referencing?
Proposing to send Uke 60B, when our marines only cost 58B. Clown world on full display.
WAR: Zelensky confirms to Italian TV what journalists reported last week: the Ukrainian president is planning to replace his top general, Valery Zaluzhny, among others for seeking a peace deal with Russia. https://t.co/LI0YBWZnYo pic.twitter.com/0GgOAtF91V
— @amuse (@amuse) February 5, 2024
Wow.
Quote:
For Proposing Peace Talks
With Moscow
Fake headline is fake. I went to the actual Hill article with this citation and it wasn't mentioned by Zelenskyy as his reason at all.
Typical. ALWAYS check Nortex links
Avdeevka is in a cauldron and will soon come under Russian control, putting an end to the indiscriminate bombing and shelling of civilians in Donetsk city that has been going on for 10 years. pic.twitter.com/jIIpj3moMU
— David Kurten (@davidkurten) February 5, 2024
How many abandoned towns will have to fall before the stalemare narrative is widely abandoned?
nortex97 said:WAR: Zelensky confirms to Italian TV what journalists reported last week: the Ukrainian president is planning to replace his top general, Valery Zaluzhny, among others for seeking a peace deal with Russia. https://t.co/LI0YBWZnYo pic.twitter.com/0GgOAtF91V
— @amuse (@amuse) February 5, 2024
Wow.
Tweet and headline seem to be misleading at best (but likely just blatantly lying for clicks) - nowhere in the article does Zelensky say to the interviewer he's firing the general for secret peace talks Russia. That's all from anonymous sources from our favorite 86 year old war reporter/bin Laden conspiracy theorist.
Could still be true, but certainly nothing like what that purposely misleading headline says.
Its never good news for Uke when the pro-Russian accounts are using the Uke accounts for their source material
Avdeevka is collapsing, I guess I need to write a longer update on this. pic.twitter.com/QCY3a5tU3V
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 5, 2024
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
Teslag said:
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
I find it interesting you're not considering the human cost in your assessment here. The videos coming out of Avdeevka are not pretty.
What I understood. The the nuances of it.PlaneCrashGuy said:
When you said "I do understand. And I understand the nuances" what were you referencing?
hahaha...Teslag said:Quote:
For Proposing Peace Talks
With Moscow
Fake headline is fake. I went to the actual Hill article with this citation and it wasn't mentioned by Zelenskyy as his reason at all.
Typical. ALWAYS check Nortex links
But, if what was stated WAS true, it would actually be a legitimate reason to fire him.
Basically making an end run around the leader of the country and avoiding the chain of command is not exactly how you want things done for ANYONE in the military for WHATEVER reason.
Should make it to Kyiv by the year 2525...Teslag said:
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
And maybe the rest of Ukraine by the year 3535...
Are you smiling because the Russians have killed some more Ukrainian civilians.PlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
I find it interesting you're not considering the human cost in your assessment here. The videos coming out of Avdeevka are not pretty.
Ag with kids said:Are you smiling because the Russians have killed some more Ukrainian civilians.PlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
I find it interesting you're not considering the human cost in your assessment here. The videos coming out of Avdeevka are not pretty.
I was told the town was abandoned, meaning no civilians.
Don't tell the Vindmans, FBI, Ohrs (ham radio enthusiasts), love birds, or Eric Ciaramella.Ag with kids said:hahaha...Teslag said:Quote:
For Proposing Peace Talks
With Moscow
Fake headline is fake. I went to the actual Hill article with this citation and it wasn't mentioned by Zelenskyy as his reason at all.
Typical. ALWAYS check Nortex links
But, if what was stated WAS true, it would actually be a legitimate reason to fire him.
Basically making an end run around the leader of the country and avoiding the chain of command is not exactly how you want things done for ANYONE in the military for WHATEVER reason.
Kiev and the UFA is an absolute mess.
⚡️Zelensky on resignation of veterans affairs minister: Ukraine needs ‘fresh energy.’
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 5, 2024
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Feb. 5 that he discussed “strengthening the state policy on veterans” with Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, likely referring to the resignation of Veterans… pic.twitter.com/iV9SXNj5Pl
PlaneCrashGuy said:
When you said "I do understand. And I understand the nuances" what were you referencing?
How many nuances would he have to list to satisfy you? 2? 5? 30? If he lists all but one that you can think of has he failed your test? If he forgets your favorite nuance has he failed?
I can't decide if you're a troll or actually believe. On one hand, I can't imagine someone actually believing and arguing such nonsense. On the other, I can't imagine someone having the commitment to keep such a ridiculous troll going for so long.
Those *******s should have been buried UNDER the jail.nortex97 said:Don't tell the Vindmans, FBI, Ohrs (ham radio enthusiasts), love birds, or Eric Ciaramella.Ag with kids said:hahaha...Teslag said:Quote:
For Proposing Peace Talks
With Moscow
Fake headline is fake. I went to the actual Hill article with this citation and it wasn't mentioned by Zelenskyy as his reason at all.
Typical. ALWAYS check Nortex links
But, if what was stated WAS true, it would actually be a legitimate reason to fire him.
Basically making an end run around the leader of the country and avoiding the chain of command is not exactly how you want things done for ANYONE in the military for WHATEVER reason.
Kiev and the UFA is an absolute mess.⚡️Zelensky on resignation of veterans affairs minister: Ukraine needs ‘fresh energy.’
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 5, 2024
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Feb. 5 that he discussed “strengthening the state policy on veterans” with Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal, likely referring to the resignation of Veterans… pic.twitter.com/iV9SXNj5Pl
I guess they killed them or they all had to leave their homes. Must have left you absolutely giddy that Russia has done that to those civilians.PlaneCrashGuy said:Ag with kids said:Are you smiling because the Russians have killed some more Ukrainian civilians.PlaneCrashGuy said:Teslag said:
So maybe they'll finally take an abandoned village by March? So we averaging one village every 5 months?
I find it interesting you're not considering the human cost in your assessment here. The videos coming out of Avdeevka are not pretty.
I was told the town was abandoned, meaning no civilians.
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