PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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Where did I deny the Moscova was the flagship? Link it please.

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No one said you did.

But, your "plead ignorance" schtick is kinda growing old. Maybe you ought to try a new tack on your trolling.

🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨‼️This genius forgot that Ukraine puts white crosses on everything, like the Germans in WW2? pic.twitter.com/N5l08EcmPE

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 4, 2024

And what did we call germans in WW2?

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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I don't speak for anyone else but I am skeptical of pretty much any source initially. The issue is one of battlefield updates, in this case, and frankly only the two sides can actually provide first hand information; there aren't a bunch of observers otherwise sending updates. The Ukrainians have actually lied about those much more I think, though when the Prigy Wagner soap opera was going on I would say the Russian side had a lot of dishonesty in releases too.

The only other option for updates is to go to propagandists like Oryx or British intelligence (ISW) etc. Russians have actually been pretty up front about casualties, net. What the Russians are spending, losing, building, employing etc. can best be determined via sources…from Russia, including their official channels. No one has to agree with me of course and I don't care if many don't, but the alternative is just to guess wildly about what is going on as the Ukrainian side (and our own propaganda press) is pure propaganda/lies most of the time.

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I don't doubt there's a lot of not so great information from many sources. However, I wouldn't buy ANY numbers the Russians put out. Losing face is a mortal sin there...

There's a reason why there were so many Soviet jokes that went like this:

A Russian commissar who went out to one of the collective farms. He stopped one of the workers there, and asked him how things were, and if there were any complaints.

'Oh, no, sir,' the worker replied. 'I've never heard anyone around here complain about anything.'

'We'll what about the crops?', the commissar asked. 'Oh,' the worker said, 'the crops, just greater than ever.'

'And the potato harvest?' inquired the commissar.

'If we piled all the potatoes we've harvested up in one pile, they'd reach the foot of God,' the worker replied.

The commissar reproved the worker, saying 'This is the Soviet Union, there is no God.'

'That's all right,' the worker responded. 'There aren't any potatoes either.'

Remember, on this thread a source like Oryx that actually uses evidence to document losses is "propaganda". Actual propaganda from Russia is more reliable.

Agreed. The idea that "I think Ukraine is lying so I'm just going to believe everything Russia says despite 100 years of them quite literally writing the book on propaganda" is baffling to me.

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nortex97 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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I don't speak for anyone else but I am skeptical of pretty much any source initially. The issue is one of battlefield updates, in this case, and frankly only the two sides can actually provide first hand information; there aren't a bunch of observers otherwise sending updates. The Ukrainians have actually lied about those much more I think, though when the Prigy Wagner soap opera was going on I would say the Russian side had a lot of dishonesty in releases too.

The only other option for updates is to go to propagandists like Oryx or British intelligence (ISW) etc. Russians have actually been pretty up front about casualties, net. What the Russians are spending, losing, building, employing etc. can best be determined via sources…from Russia, including their official channels. No one has to agree with me of course and I don't care if many don't, but the alternative is just to guess wildly about what is going on as the Ukrainian side (and our own propaganda press) is pure propaganda/lies most of the time.

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I don't doubt there's a lot of not so great information from many sources. However, I wouldn't buy ANY numbers the Russians put out. Losing face is a mortal sin there...

There's a reason why there were so many Soviet jokes that went like this:

A Russian commissar who went out to one of the collective farms. He stopped one of the workers there, and asked him how things were, and if there were any complaints.

'Oh, no, sir,' the worker replied. 'I've never heard anyone around here complain about anything.'

'We'll what about the crops?', the commissar asked. 'Oh,' the worker said, 'the crops, just greater than ever.'

'And the potato harvest?' inquired the commissar.

'If we piled all the potatoes we've harvested up in one pile, they'd reach the foot of God,' the worker replied.

The commissar reproved the worker, saying 'This is the Soviet Union, there is no God.'

'That's all right,' the worker responded. 'There aren't any potatoes either.'

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There's some truth to this but that is also attributable to communism. Still similar things are put out by the CCP, NoKo, Cuba etc.

Russian media/state data is not to be trusted as absolute, imho, by any means but it is also useful as…no one else is there, and the alternative again is to rely on unreliable data from 'the other side' exclusively. Is Russia, net, very very corrupt? Yes. So is Ukraine. This corruption ultimately is not dispositive to data/media trustworthiness.

For instance, when I posted the Tass piece today, if a reliable counter/refutation were available today…I'd expect some of my fans here to have provided it. But no. Russian culture is certainly prideful (most are) but I don't think we should dismiss out of hand the data provided about production/deployments/engagements/budgets/manpower etc. Heck, I've posted links as well from sham propagandists such as the NYT, Guardian, CNN, WaPo, etc. Sometimes good information can be gleamed, imho, but folks are welcome to disagree.

I regret that we sometimes are engaged with some bickering about sources/details/wordsmithing that doesn't really matter, but ultimately a depth of sources/analyses and looking for admissions is better. Reading between the lines, if you will. Straight propaganda exists broadly for both.

Do you believe that TASS is more honest and reliable than American mainstream media?


And you rarely read between the lines. You usually give complete deference to Russian media.

Again, context matters;

And not just "NATO's stamp"

though it has that twice by way of direct branding pic.twitter.com/IkQHW9cg3r

— Matt Davies (@MNormanDavies) February 4, 2024

Such blatant hostile aggression alone should form a key exhibit in any Russian case alleging Kiev's intent to strike across the Donbass by 2022

Which issue became a crucial part of the cause for Russia's SMO from 24 Feb 2022 pic.twitter.com/SUA6f21Yjl

— Matt Davies (@MNormanDavies) February 4, 2024

But the real "tell" are the Gladius-pattern swords in emblems of GUR, its subordinates and protégés

Early in the SMO the AZOV Movement's spread into GUR's SSO formations saw the adoption of the Gladius alongside their more standard SS Wolfsangel and Sigrune emblems pic.twitter.com/LrehxaMWzD

— Matt Davies (@MNormanDavies) February 4, 2024

More at the x thread.

Indeed they will. https://t.co/OIKPhcWtfO pic.twitter.com/wGQhQcXyZp

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Yep. But people keep using words like 'foolish' instead of treasonous.

nortex97 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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Do you ever get tired of being dead ass wrong?

The following link is official Russian state media.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14383383

From the official Russian media source in Russian...



Which translates to...

Quote:

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"Moscow" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the lead ship of Project 1164 "Atlant". It was put into operation in 1983 under the name "Slava". In 1996, the cruiser received its current name. The main strike armament of the ship is 16 launchers of P-1000 Vulcan missiles.

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Dude just take the L.

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I guess TASS is only accurate when it makes Uke feel good.

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There's a distinct difference in someone claiming what they are and claiming what they've done…

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Only 1 of us cited official Russian state media. And it wasn't me. How do you say it?

"Dude just take the L"

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Apparently, for you ALL sources of information are bad.

Unless you like it, then it's good.

And you can ignore facts as long as it makes you feel good.

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I don't speak for anyone else but I am skeptical of pretty much any source initially. The issue is one of battlefield updates, in this case, and frankly only the two sides can actually provide first hand information; there aren't a bunch of observers otherwise sending updates. The Ukrainians have actually lied about those much more I think, though when the Prigy Wagner soap opera was going on I would say the Russian side had a lot of dishonesty in releases too.

The only other option for updates is to go to propagandists like Oryx or British intelligence (ISW) etc. Russians have actually been pretty up front about casualties, net. What the Russians are spending, losing, building, employing etc. can best be determined via sources…from Russia, including their official channels. No one has to agree with me of course and I don't care if many don't, but the alternative is just to guess wildly about what is going on as the Ukrainian side (and our own propaganda press) is pure propaganda/lies most of the time.

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I don't doubt there's a lot of not so great information from many sources. However, I wouldn't buy ANY numbers the Russians put out. Losing face is a mortal sin there...

There's a reason why there were so many Soviet jokes that went like this:

A Russian commissar who went out to one of the collective farms. He stopped one of the workers there, and asked him how things were, and if there were any complaints.

'Oh, no, sir,' the worker replied. 'I've never heard anyone around here complain about anything.'

'We'll what about the crops?', the commissar asked. 'Oh,' the worker said, 'the crops, just greater than ever.'

'And the potato harvest?' inquired the commissar.

'If we piled all the potatoes we've harvested up in one pile, they'd reach the foot of God,' the worker replied.

The commissar reproved the worker, saying 'This is the Soviet Union, there is no God.'

'That's all right,' the worker responded. 'There aren't any potatoes either.'

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There's some truth to this but that is also attributable to communism. Still similar things are put out by the CCP, NoKo, Cuba etc.

Russian media/state data is not to be trusted as absolute, imho, by any means but it is also useful as…no one else is there, and the alternative again is to rely on unreliable data from 'the other side' exclusively. Is Russia, net, very very corrupt? Yes. So is Ukraine. This corruption ultimately is not dispositive to data/media trustworthiness.

For instance, when I posted the Tass piece today, if a reliable counter/refutation were available today…I'd expect some of my fans here to have provided it. But no. Russian culture is certainly prideful (most are) but I don't think we should dismiss out of hand the data provided about production/deployments/engagements/budgets/manpower etc. Heck, I've posted links as well from sham propagandists such as the NYT, Guardian, CNN, WaPo, etc. Sometimes good information can be gleamed, imho, but folks are welcome to disagree.

I regret that we sometimes are engaged with some bickering about sources/details/wordsmithing that doesn't really matter, but ultimately a depth of sources/analyses and looking for admissions is better. Reading between the lines, if you will. Straight propaganda exists broadly for both.

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It's not just communism. It's in the Russian culture to not say things that make them look bad.

And it's not even just the higher levels that lie. Hell, the Russian MoD might put out the exact numbers they were given from their lower level commanders. But, those lower level commanders can't send BAD NEWS up the food chain so they'll lie to save face. And it's like a game of telephone after that.

10000 Russians die. Commander tells superior that 8000 died, superior tells higher superior that 5000 died, etc. By the time it gets to the MoD, 326 people died. Then the MoD rounds that down to 250...because round numbers are nicer.

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Such blatant hostile aggression alone should form a key exhibit in any Russian case alleging Kiev's intent to strike across the Donbass by 2022

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Resisting Russia's invasion is "blatant hostile aggression". Russia had to go all in with a full scale invasion because Ukraine dared to resist their land grabs.

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Such blatant hostile aggression alone should form a key exhibit in any Russian case alleging Kiev's intent to strike across the Donbass by 2022

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Resisting Russia's invasion is "blatant hostile aggression". Russia had to go all in with a full scale invasion because Ukraine dared to resist their land grabs.

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nortex97 said:

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More at the x thread.

Indeed they will. https://t.co/OIKPhcWtfO pic.twitter.com/wGQhQcXyZp

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Yep. But people keep using words like 'foolish' instead of treasonous.

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Here's my question for the audience:

For those saying the West has been prolonging this conflict by interfering with negotiations, what peace terms has Russia offered that would be remotely acceptable to Ukraine? I don't see the evidence that a bargaining space exists between Russia and Ukraine, much less the notion that a deal is possible but for Western meddling.

Are Abrams actually in/about Andiivka?

I do not think there are Abrams in Avdiivka.

— Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺 (@witte_sergei) February 4, 2024

Perhaps…this is just propaganda?

Well if David Axe writes it, it must be true...

— 588th Night Bomber Regiment (@NguyenGiap4) February 4, 2024

But, we should trust media.

The former chief of staff of US Vice President Dan Quayle, Bill Kristol, wrote on social networks that maybe journalist Tucker Carlson should be completely prevented from returning to the US until the country's representatives find out what is going on.

American journalist… pic.twitter.com/r41H5JcSEe

— Peacemaker (@peacemaket71) February 4, 2024

According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

Ukraine and Russia are basically run by rival criminal oligarch gangs. Some other offshoots like Kazakhstan etc. are better only because they are run by one (or royal family etc).

This is part of the reason their demographics are so horrid, and as well why Ukraine is a terrible fit for a 'stable EU' in the future.

Young people who want to raise a family who are not 'in' the crime families just get out as soon as they can.

>Abrahms in Avdeevka

Several accounts saying no

I’m not a tank Autist but no ERA and seeing people say it’s the wrong model so deleted “Abrams near Avdeevka” post.

— ayden (@squatsons) February 4, 2024

aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

if it is not fighting over money, what is causing all of the uproar between Zelensky and his top military guy?

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if it is not fighting over money, what is causing all of the uproar between Zelensky and his top military guy?

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Probably lingering resentment over Ukraines failed counter offensive and remaining animosity over Zelenskyy insisting on wasting so much resources defending Bakhmut

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

Dude, they had a logo that totally provoked them. Launching a full scale invasion over the unchecked aggression of your neighbor daring to resist your previous invasions and creating logos that make you mad is totally justified.

Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

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Anyone can reply-

Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?

Do you think Russia is justified in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine? If so, why?

Here’s what passes for frugality with The Firm™️:

They’ve decided we should no longer pay the pensions of the Ukrainian people, but they’re still keeping American taxpayers on the hook for the salaries of those employed by the Ukrainian government. pic.twitter.com/uarRYmlJVs

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) February 5, 2024

Outlandish. DOA in the house.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

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Anyone can reply-

Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?

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I do understand. And I understand the nuances.

But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...

Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

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No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

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Anyone can reply-

Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?

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I do understand. And I understand the nuances.

But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...

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What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?

I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

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While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

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Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

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Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

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Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

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Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

---

No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

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Anyone can reply-

Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?

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I do understand. And I understand the nuances.

But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...

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What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?

I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.

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So...no nuances in your position. Just blunt force.

Caveman want. Caveman take.

Perhaps you missed the question. You have probably the second most posts on this thread, so what do you think:

Do you think Russia is justified in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine? If so, why?

Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Ag with kids said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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aggiehawg said:

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According to famed reporter Seymour Hersh, CIA Director Burns had to warn Zelensky to stop stealing so much money. Also Zelensky’s subordinates were upset that he was taking too large a cut of the spoils. Something to keep in mind as the political crisis plays out in Kiev. pic.twitter.com/2626OZ7kz4

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 3, 2024

Black markets and degrees of graft and corruption happen in every war. But to that degree?

---

While I'm VERY sure that the Ukes are getting their piece of the corruption pie, I look at Hersch as being about as trustworthy as TASS,

---

Exactly, I couldn't stop laughing at "famed reporter Seymour Hersh." Dude is 86 and is more senile than Biden and Trump combined at this point but just trying to stay relevant by joining the anti Ukraine crusade with his "anonymous sources." Maybe Sacks would like to dive into Hersh's bizarre bin Laden theories next.

---

Ad hom + strawman. Btw, its OK to acknowledge Uke is as corrupt as they come.

---

Not sure you know what either of those terms mean, but yes, there's likely some skimming happening just like there always is in any war. Doesn't make it anymore hilarious that Sacks is using Hersh as if he's some kind of legitimate source. And it also wouldn't be happening if Putin didn't decide to invade.

---

Another ad hom. The last sentence is hilariously naive.

Uke corruption definitely didn't start 2 years ago, and anyone who was paying attention before the invasion would know that.

---

No unprovoked Putin led invasion, no (or at least much less) US aid = less money to skim. So yes, as usual everything negative that happens in this war is 100% Putin's fault.

Seems pretty simple to understand but I get that it may be too complex for you to figure out.

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"Unprovoked"

As I said, hilariously naive. But I appreciate you letting me know arguing with you isn't worth my time.

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Yes...

Unprovoked. Without quotes...

Wanting to join a defensive alliance that exists to protect its members from Russian aggression is NOT provocation...

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Anyone can reply-

Do you seriously believe that was the extent of the reasoning for the war? How nuanced is your understanding of the why behind all this?

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I do understand. And I understand the nuances.

But, first, I'd really like to hear YOUR view on the reasoning and nuances...

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What nuances? I don't think you and I mean the same thing when we say that word, so when you said it just now: what was that referencing?

I think that, with some exceptions, Russia is allowed to do what Russia thinks is in the best interest of Russia.

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So...no nuances in your position. Just blunt force.

Caveman want. Caveman take.

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Thats a very poor characterization if my position, but it is entirely unsurprising. We can clarify the minutia if you're interested.

I'd like to better understand what you wrote earlier, so I'll ask again: What nuances do you understand?