Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Teslag said:

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The German DW writes that Russia's importance to the German economy has declined sharply. Is there still an economy in Germany? Well, it won't be for long. In 2 years of anti-Russian sanctions, Germany has dropped from the 8th position to the 27th in the ranking of countries


I like when these perspectives quote sources (DW) like this and then never cite the actual article so any verification is impossible.

Especially when a simple search proves the author of that tweet is full of ****

https://www.forbesindia.com/amp/article/explainers/top-10-largest-economies-in-the-world/86159/1
Haha.

Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.
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FT removed the paywall on this one which is a decent analyses, but I have to admit I laughed at this reply. LOL. The propaganda around the Biden proxy-war is amazing, in how it deceives so many.





Bidens ditching foreign ownership/America's BRICS enemies heading into election season?





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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.
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Nortex you don't understand, the plane was so big it was worth killing their own POWs. /s

Incompetence at every level.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.
Please enlighten us.

I need a good morning chuckle.
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.
Please enlighten us.

I need a good morning chuckle.


I love when trolls expose themselves. Quoted for posterity. Mods please delete.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.


Let me guess, many perspectives are now saying it's as important as fort hood and has the industrial output of Lockheed in Fort Worth?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.
Please enlighten us.

I need a good morning chuckle.


I love when trolls expose themselves. Quoted for posterity. Mods please delete.


My favorite PCG bit (besides the smiley face celebration posts of Ukraine getting invaded and attacked for no reason) is when he pretends to be so much more enlightened and knowledgeable than anyone who isn't eating up Russian propaganda but then doesn't actually say anything specific. And then accuses other people of trolling. It's pretty impressive.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Uke damages 1 tank: "they all add up"

Uke loses a few strongholds: "abandoned town"

Not serious analysis.


The abandoned town of formerly 8,000 is a "stronghold"?


Ask me how I know you're not paying attention.
Please enlighten us.

I need a good morning chuckle.


I love when trolls expose themselves. Quoted for posterity. Mods please delete.
Well, I still have no answer to your post.

Which was a troll in itself...

I just have yet another deflection post.

So, tell us how it is a "stronghold"...
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You don't get to say "I need a chuckle" and pretend then you're here to be serious. Go troll somewhere else.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

You don't get to say "I need a chuckle" and pretend then you're here to be serious. Go troll somewhere else.
And...I still have no idea how it is a "stronghold".

I figured that since you implied that YOU were paying attention, you would know the answer. Do you not?
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And the best part about the Russian chest pounding is that they haven't even taken Avdikka yet.

The Ukrainians were able to retake Kherson and Kharkiv in their counteroffensives with a population of almost 2 million people.

The Russian's greatest counteroffensive has netted them Bakhmut and the ability to reach the edge of Avdikka, an abandoned town of 8,000.


I forgot they didn't even take Bakhmut in a counteroffensive. That was a PMC that no longer exists because they turned on Russia.
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I think the issue (perhaps missed by some) is that the one-time population doesn't matter, any more than could be said of innumerable WW1 battlefields like Verdun or Ypres did at the time, rather, the significant analyses is how it geographically is situated (high ground/rivers etc) and as well logistical lines into/from the location.

Not to say any of these little hamlets in places I care little about matter to me, or should compare net to the impact WW1 had on history but just an assertion that irrelevant places can matter in a larger war. Many more examples could be sourced/cited like Iwo Jima, Gettysburg, Marathon, etc.
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Population matters if the main goal of this invasion, I mean special military operation, is to get rid of Ukrainian "nazis" who make up almost 100% of the population.
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Avdeevka has been a stronghold since fortifications were erected there in 2016. It is significant because before it was taken, it was used to shell Donetsk city.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Avdeevka has been a stronghold since fortifications were erected there in 2016. It is significant because before it was taken, it was used to shell Donetsk city.

This applicable to any number of positions and small cities in Ukraine along the front. There's nothing particularly crippling about this one.
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Avdeevka has been a stronghold since fortifications were erected there in 2016. It is significant because before it was taken, it was used to shell Donetsk city.

This applicable to any number of positions and small cities in Ukraine along the front. There's nothing particularly crippling about this one.


I disagree on account of the highway this cuts.
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The significance of Avdeevka has been discussed/lied about in media/propaganda steadily so I can see why some would not see it as 'a big deal.'

Those willing to dive into the 'gray' media do, I believe, including MSR's etc. There's are reasons the Russians and Ukrainians alike have focused so many resources on it, imho.
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The idea that the stronghold is abandoned/forgotten/irrelevant is self evident cope. If that was true, Ukraine would not have expended the resources they did trying to defend it.

But for a Ukrainian government trying to spin the war as a stalemate, all Russian gains must be downplayed to maintain this narrative.
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The Ukrainians also expended a lot for Bakhmut and it was equally as worthless
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Teslag said:

Where did I say they weren't coordinating? I said it wasn't because of the Ukrainian Russian war. You know, the topic of the thread.


Well, then you've decided to be wrong again because Iran's recent escalatory actions are linked to the Ukraine war according to everyone but you.
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"everyone"
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Teslag said:

"everyone"


Yes, everyone that follows geopolitics and is aware of current events. It's baffling you are running with this schtick.
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"An attempt to try to tie them together doesn't jive with what's already been happening." -Tesla then

"They have always worked together." -Tesla later

It was hard to keep track of, but this one's already on the list.
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Pretty amazing, if/as true. It might not be, tbf…
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Depends a lot on what type of shells are being ordered
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

"An attempt to try to tie them together doesn't jive with what's already been happening." -Tesla then

"They have always worked together." -Tesla later

It was hard to keep track of, but this one's already on the list.


When I have said they weren't working together prior to the Ukraine war?
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nortex97 said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

How long until Ukraine ceases to be a viable country without US taxpayer support?

What's their nut and how long will that last?
Weeks, maybe.


You said they had weeks, maybe left as a country three weeks ago. They still exist. Adveeka still hasn't been taken. In fact, since that time nothing has really changed at all.


Why were you so off on your prediction?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66703832
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Imagine the surprise when the enemy is coming out of a tunnel behind you
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Meanwhile, as Ukraine collapses…



But don't worry, they are ordering many more, for 2025-2028…



Clown world notices;



But really, it begs the question, if Ukraine is in fact still 'fine' after 4 weeks of zero American appropriated aid to their totalitarian government/oligarchs, why do we need to send billions more, again? Europe has been ramping up I have read for 2+ years. Maybe they've 'got this.'

Err, pay no attention to RU advances.

Starlink a next target?;

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Military expert Alexander Zimovsky: "So, the irretrievable losses of the Thirty-fifth Marine Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during 20 days of fighting on the Krynkinsky bridgehead amounted to 350 people.

That is, approximately 25% of the actual infantry composition of the brigade. Or one battalion out of the available four.

Within 80 days, a typical Ukrainian infantry brigade is completely destroyed, which requires constant replenishment. From here we get the average life expectancy of an infantry Chubatant on the Eastern Front at 11-12 weeks.

Here it is necessary to clarify that only the infantry itself is knocked out. The brigade's command, its rear, and units of brigade air defense/artillery/tanks suffer fewer losses in personnel. Simply due to the peculiarities of the combat use of these units.

The general structure of infantry losses fully confirms my thesis about the methods of troop management in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Ukrainian officers, even platoon officers, never participate in battles.
Combat losses of officers according to this list are only 4 out of 350 disposed of. That is, a little more than 1% of the destroyed personnel."

Why don't Ukrainian officers take part in battles? And this is because they have Starlink, that is, reliable communication and battlefield control programs based on it - from the deep rear to the advanced trenches. The Russian Armed Forces do not have this. This issue must be resolved - either to create such a connection with the RF Armed Forces, or to destroy this connection with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As one American general said, Starlink is equivalent in effect to the use of tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield. If Russia intends to advance and win, then it needs to eliminate this advantage of Ukraine. Or compensate for this advantage by using tactical nuclear weapons. It looks like everything is heading towards this, since Russia will be forced to attack. Russia has no choice in this.
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Teslag said:

nortex97 said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

How long until Ukraine ceases to be a viable country without US taxpayer support?

What's their nut and how long will that last?
Weeks, maybe.


You said they had weeks, maybe left as a country three weeks ago. They still exist. Adveeka still hasn't been taken. In fact, since that time nothing has really changed at all.


Why were you so off on your prediction?

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66703832
Is it really a viable country today, demographically, defensively, industrially (economically), or any of the above? I would argue it is not. It is merely a totalitarian dependency/colony requesting more money/bullets. They are literally producing propaganda videos of one armed soldiers/sailers walking into battle etc. This was not a country that could afford to be sacrificed by Biden in a proxy war of attrition over years;

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Although the forecasts regarding Ukraine's population after the end of the hostilities differ, all of them are extremely pessimistic. They estimate the future size of Ukraine's population at between 24 million and 35 million individuals, and argue that by 2030 Ukrainian society may likely be one of Europe's oldest, with a high proportion of individuals suffering from multiple illnesses, disabilities, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and depression. As a consequence, while Ukraine was one of Europe's most populous countries 30 years ago, it is now facing a demographic gap, the magnitude of which will hamper its dynamic development and post-war reconstruction.

Three decades of population decline

Analysing Ukraine's demographic situation, especially in the last decade, has not been easy due to the lack of official and comprehensive data on the subject, and to discrepancies in the information published by various institutions, both Ukrainian and international. During the period of Ukraine's independence only one census was carried out over 20 years ago (in 2001). According to this census, at that time the country was inhabited by 48.5 million individuals (whereas the previous census carried out in 1989 had estimated this figure at 51.5 million individuals). Although plans were made to carry out another census in 2013, successive governments postponed it (citing various reasons including a lack of funds): first until 2016, then to 2020, and next to 2023 (at present the ongoing war poses the greatest obstacle to organising a census).
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The war as a 'nail in the coffin'
Russia's full-scale invasion has only accelerated Ukraine's depopulation. A large number of servicemen and civilians have died as a result of this war. According to information published by the Prosecutor General of Ukraine in April 2023, since the beginning of the present stage of the war around 10,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed (including almost 500 children) and around 13,000 wounded (including more than 1000 children).[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn8][8][/url] The authorities have warned that these figures are incomplete and need to be updated. Since the beginning of the armed invasion, the government has consistently declined to provide figures of victims among military personnel, although most likely many tens of thousands of servicemen have been killed in action. Leaked US military intelligence reports estimate the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed at 15,50017,500, and the number of wounded at 109,000115,500 (as of February 2023).[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn9][9][/url] In April 2023, Ukraine's defence minister Oleksii Reznikov, who has declined to provide information on the number of casualties on the Ukrainian side, said that this number is smaller than the number of victims of the earthquake in Turkey[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn10][10][/url] (which took the lives of more than 50,000 individuals). The hostilities have increased the numbers of disabled individuals among both military personnel and the civilian population, which are now estimated at 500,000 and 2.7 million respectively.

In addition, the armed conflict has triggered a huge wave of several million refugees who have fled Ukraine and resettled, mainly in EU member states. According to the UNHCR, in the first months of the war 8.2 million individuals left Ukraine and around 8 million were internally displaced.[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn12][12][/url] Eurostat data indicates that in March 2023 4 million Ukrainian citizens subject to temporary protection became residents in the EU, including 1.03 million in Germany, 994,000 in Poland and 448,000 in the Czech Republic.[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn13][13][/url] As regards non-EU countries, Canada is the most popular destination for Ukrainian refugees because it already has a large Ukrainian diaspora. Citizens of Ukraine are granted the right to stay in Canada for three years under the CUAET programme, which provides them with temporary accommodation and financial assistance. Since February 2022, around 220,000 Ukrainian refugees have entered Canada, and the total number of three-year residence visas issued to Ukrainians has reached 730,000.[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn14][14][/url] In the same period, more than 100,000 refugees have arrived in the United States, and the validity of the temporary protection programme known as 'Uniting for Ukraine' has been extended to two years. However, it requires each refugee to have a supporter in the US who will agree to provide them with financial support for the duration of their stay in the United States.

Russia is the country containing the largest number of Ukrainian citizens who arrived after 24 February 2022. According to data published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, more than 2.8 million Ukrainian refugees have registered residence in Russia.[url=https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2023-07-11/ukraine-face-a-demographic-catastrophe#_ftn16][16][/url] It should be noted, however, that the UN does not specify how many of these individuals have been deported there by force. The Ukrainian side has granted the status of forcible deportation victims to almost all the Ukrainian citizens who have relocated to Russia, and also estimates their number at 2.8 million.
More at the link

I also was told the US House would release/appropriate more funding to them quickly, by mid/late December if I recall correctly. Glad I was right on that as well.
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Tick tock goes Ukraines clock
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-money-congress-weapons-dd5076b30bf8fab5c914a1222186e7f0
This was never our war in the 1st place.
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Teslag said:


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the point is with European and American support dwindling and resolve to keep money into the fight dwindling the responsibility for buying weapons increasingly falls on the Ukes.

I think we all know the posturing will end and congress will pass whatever aid the defense industry wants.


https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-money-congress-weapons-dd5076b30bf8fab5c914a1222186e7f0

Finally we can definitively put away the line

"Nothing I said turned out to be wrong or was wrong at the time" -Teslag
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How was Austin speaking to that group when he died weeks ago in Ukraine? You posted that here, and this is where we come to avoid propaganda.
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